.tv Geo .tv domains, "The emporer has no clothes."

Jimbojimbo said:

What do you mean: 'looks too high'?

(as the man in the well said, everything looks too high for me)

I have NO understanding of your scale/measurement indicators.

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The price paid $25k looks inflated in comparison to what Italy.tv and Germany.tv just sold for.

Jimbojimbo said:

If your SerialKiller.com name was on the same scale, at $60,000, where would that be on the scale in comparison to California.tv?

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It is strange argument given the name has never been offered for sale anywhere near that price.

If you look at any successful business foray in the past, people would have said the same thing you are saying here snoop. early 90's, .com's, the emperor has no clothes, what would you do with a domain name, stick it up your ass!!! Now everybody wants a .com. I am not saying .tv will be hugely successful. It may, it may not. People have a foresight, they buy it.

May be in 5 years, you would think i wish I had boguth a geo.tv. May be not.. Just because a name sells for less, it doesn't mean the extension doen't sell. .com's quite frequently get sold for less. And some of them get resold for higher prices. Just because of that we don't say lol, .com, emperor has no clothes. If it was like that you wouldn't have been here buying .com's for less and flipping them later. Thats where the value is and thats what we are all after, even the sedo buyers. Buy for less, sell for more...Thats business

snoop said:

It is strange argument given the name has never been offered for sale anywhere near that price.

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In my experience, no matter where JimboJimbo goes, he always has strange arguments right there by his side. It's pattern behavior. Got to love the Jimbo. IMO.

snoop said:

The price paid $25k looks inflated in comparison to what Italy.tv and Germany.tv just sold for.

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But equally, it looks wonderful compared to the price of geo names just a few months ago.



That's always the case with people whose rulers are 'bespoke'. they can measure things as they like, without rhyme nor reason - and expect people to believe the tosh they are talking.

Well, my good friend, your ruler doesn't measure up!

- and until you can come up with a 'genuine' scale for your ridiculous statements, you should keep you slanted opinions firmly to yourself.

mahesh13 said:

If you look at any successful business foray in the past, people would have said the same thing you are saying here snoop. early 90's, .com's, the emperor has no clothes, what would you do with a domain name, stick it up your ass!!! Now everybody wants a .com. I am not saying .tv will be hugely succssful. It may, it may not. People have a foresight, they buy it.

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The argument is simply that people overpaid in the past, including just a week or so ago. The "emperor has no clothes" ie the reality of the market is different to what people thought. Don't read this is saying something about the overall .tv market, the threads is simply about geo .tv's. The rest of the auction was about what I would have expected, some better than expected.

Market is Market snoop. One day it falls, another it rises. I am talking about geo.tv's themselves. Give it sometime to settle down. We all know what happened during .com bubble. Just because a couple of names sold for less on a single day, doesn't mean the whole lot are rotten. Especially in case of Germany, Japan which are not very 'english' in market character. Lets wait and see a predominantly englishgeo.tv sell. I am sure is USa.tv, or US.tv, or england.tv were up for sale tomorrow at 20,000 you would be bidding yourself. Atleast I would be.

enjoy the day, it's been great.

Jeff said:

Bottom line; even with NO PREMIUM RENEWAL FEES ... Geo ".TV's" are in the vicinity of being worth more or less than 1.0% - 1.5% of the value of their corresponding .COM's; .TV is the ultimate niche / vanity extension (ccTLD)

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I am utterly failing to see the significance of this statement in the negative light you are using it. This is only a problem if you go and buy .tvs at 10% or 20% of the value of the .com, which most of the experienced folks on this board do not.

Interestingly, this is a direct lift of the statement I made a week or two ago about how to value .tv AND if you believe it, it means a lot of GEOS are worth XXX or X,XXX or XX,XXX which is great.

Perhaps you play in the big leagues with .com GEOs in the X,XXX,XXX range and don't have time for XXX to XX,XXX domains though I somehow doubt it.

In any case, almost ALL TLDs are a small fraction of the .com price. Nobody has said otherwise.

Jeff, I usually find your commentary at least somewhat tolerable and i have defended you; today, you are just being outright difficult.

If .tv it is the ultimate vanity/niche/risky/going-to-sink-into-the-sea-TLD, then why do you have SO much time and energy for it? Why waste your time here with us?

antonis12 said:

If .tv it is the ultimate vanity/niche/risky/going-to-sink-into-the-sea-TLD, then why do you have SO much time and energy for it? Why waste your time here with us?

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I just like to actively & passionately discuss .TV's ... and don't consider it to be a waste of my time or energies here in the #1 .TV Forum©. :talk: :imho:

Onward and upward, see you tom'w!
Jeff

MillersCrossing said:

Snoop, selling two geos for 10k+, means the emperor is at least wearing his underwear.

Imagine if NewYork had been in the auction or Texas or Malibu, Brooklyn, all at normal reg fee, we would have seen mid to high xx,xxx sales IMHO.
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A thong at best ..... :red:

I agree with you and the analogy to New York, Texas, Malibu yadda yadda. $$,$$$ is still surprising and disappointing (imho).

snoop said:

The argument is simply that people overpaid in the past, including just a week or so ago. The "emperor has no clothes" ie the reality of the market is different to what people thought. Don't read this is saying something about the overall .tv market, the threads is simply about geo .tv's. The rest of the auction was about what I would have expected, some better than expected.

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Snoop, I think your point about the high renewal premiums is spot on.

I think the point about Germany & Japan vs. Italy, is a bit harder to draw conclusions from just because the sample size is so small.

Logically, Italy should be less expensive than Germany or Japan, there is no doubt. But on a sample of 1, anything can happen, including a highly motivated buyer for whatever reason.

I mean, I look at both Learn.tv and Christmas.tv in this auction and scratch my head much more. Those two seem both far more outside what a logical price for them should be than Italy was.

As for the US States, well, I think we are in a minority of two here. Everyone on this board loves them; they leave me a bit cold. I like big cities and countries of all types, but I just never quite manage to get fired up about states. I have somehow managed to buy or register all types of great, good, average, bad and terrible .tv domains over the last 5 years and not once have I owned a state.

I can't quite explain it, it is a gut thing; the best analogy I can think of is that I have a hard time thinking of other media (magazines, TV, newspapers) whose unit of scope is a US state. Most other media tends to be city or national in scope.

But we will have to see on this...

Back on topic please ... :gl:

antonis12 said:

I am utterly failing to see the significance of this statement in the negative light you are using it. This is only a problem if you go and buy .tvs at 10% or 20% of the value of the .com, which most of the experienced folks on this board do not.

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Hi Antonis,
I don't believe that we're that far apart here, actually ... above you're quoting my;

Bottom line; even with NO PREMIUM RENEWAL FEES ... Geo ".TV's" are in the vicinity of being worth more or less than 1.0% - 1.5% of the value of their corresponding .COM's; .TV is the ultimate niche / vanity extension (ccTLD), IMHO.

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And here is an earlier quote from you;

I try to stick to my 1% .com to .tv rule of thumb (most of the time; I make one exception that I will not discuss right now) and by that metric, I feel happy to have purchased them. The .com of each of these would be a $1M (or + ) domain, so $10K is fine.

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So, respectfully, congrats on your purchases of both Geo's; "Germany.TV" and "Japan.TV" and, as best convenient, please keep us posted of their status! :gl:

Onward and upward,
Jeff

I thought this a suitable place to post this.

Have you seen that Rick Latona just sold Nebraska.net for $3,251 and NorthDakota.net for $1,751 a few minutes ago ?
And these are domains that he owns, not domains that he's brokering.

As you know very well, .net is far more popular in the US than it is in the UK, and .tv is far less popular in the US than it is in the UK.

Yet, unlike Nebraska.net (which has always been parked so far), Nebraska.tv is owned and fully developed by ABC (despite the fact that Jeff keeps repeating that there's no development in .tv).
And NorthDakota.tv is owned by MrRhee, i am sure i am not speaking out of turn when i say he would never sell it for $1,751



the geo.tv emperor has no clothes ( in Snoops opinion), the geo.net emperor has no skin and no bones left...

MrRhee said:

... you spend so much time trying to create doubt that sales will be completed.

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After reading his recent post(s), I have little doubt that Antonis will complete his two Geo .TV purchases; and I do believe they are 'trophy' acquisitions ... as it's the ultimate vanity / niche TLD, IMHO. :gl:
My hope, as always, is that they will be uniquely developed! :yell:

the geo.tv emperor has no clothes ( in Snoops opinion), the geo.net emperor has no skin and no bones left...

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.NET (because its an established extension) is not being actively supported in hyped-up Profile / Premium auctions by a relatively small amount of Usual Suspects©; who have their own self-interests in mind (in an ccTLD that still after 10+/+ years is not established or generally accepted/adopted) IMHO.

Kind regards,
Jeff

StoneRoses said:

I thought this a suitable place to post this.

Have you seen that Rick Latona just sold Nebraska.net for $3,251 and NorthDakota.net for $1,751 a few minutes ago ?
And these are domains that he owns, not domains that he's brokering.

As you know very well, .net is far more popular in the US than it is in the UK, and .tv is far less popular in the US than it is in the UK.

Yet, unlike Nebraska.net (which has always been parked so far), Nebraska.tv is owned and fully developed by ABC (despite the fact that Jeff keeps repeating that there's no development in .tv).
And NorthDakota.tv is owned by MrRhee, i am sure i am not speaking out of turn when i say he would never sell it for $1,751



the geo.tv emperor has no clothes ( in Snoops opinion), the geo.net emperor has no skin and no bones left...

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To my ears, GEO.tv is the best second or third choice for a GEO TLD, taking into account gTLD, ccTLDs and pseudo gTLDs.

#1: Geo.com
#2: If you live in strong ccTLD country, GEO.yourCCTLD (UK, DE, etc)
#3: Geo.tv

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As for the rest, I simply don't know what would be better:

Geo.net: Still has residual value from its early days but I can't visualize what I would expect to find there (or on most .nets for that matter)

Geo.org: Non-profit orientation.

Geo.info: Boring, long, again not clear what will be there

Geo.travel: Way too long

Geo.biz, Geo.cc, Geo.ws, Geo.name, Geo.me: Please..

Geo.SomeOtherccTLDThatIsNotWhereTheGeoIs (e.g. Aegypten.de): Weird...

Geo.TheHighlyBrandableDotWebThatWillComeToMarketSomeDay: We'll let Jeff take these

So, in practice:

Nebraska.com (great)
Nebraska.us (not so much; would be different if this was London.co.uk)
Nebraska.tv (yup, I can imagine this)

[the rest just don't jump out at me]
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Nebraska.net (best of the rest, but still, hard to visualize. More or less in the same league as .tv for GEO in practice I think but I think .tv is better in the long run)
Nebraska.org
Nebraska.info
Nebraska.travel
Nebraska.biz
Nebraska.cc
Nebraska.ws
Nebraska.me
Nebraska.name
Nebraska.web

StoneRoses said:

I thought this a suitable place to post this.

Have you seen that Rick Latona just sold Nebraska.net for $3,251 and NorthDakota.net for $1,751 a few minutes ago ?
And these are domains that he owns, not domains that he's brokering.

As you know very well, .net is far more popular in the US than it is in the UK, and .tv is far less popular in the US than it is in the UK.

Yet, unlike Nebraska.net (which has always been parked so far), Nebraska.tv is owned and fully developed by ABC (despite the fact that Jeff keeps repeating that there's no development in .tv).
And NorthDakota.tv is owned by MrRhee, i am sure i am not speaking out of turn when i say he would never sell it for $1,751



the geo.tv emperor has no clothes ( in Snoops opinion), the geo.net emperor has no skin and no bones left...

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very timely post.

and you are correct: I would not sell NorthDakota.TV (or SouthDakota.TV) for that price. However, I'd be willing to sell ads on either site for that price.

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StoneRoses said:

So kindly explain how the supposed worst catergory of this vanity extension has attracted much larger sales prices than the established .net?

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Which confirmed sales prices are you referring to ... in the exact same domains in both the ".TV" and the .NET? :blink:
IYHO.

However, in this context, it has been generally ask and answered;
The .NET (because its an established extension) is not being actively (one might even argue, buoyed) supported in hyped-up Profile / Premium auctions by a relatively small amount of Usual Suspects©; who have their own self-interests in mind (in an ccTLD that still after 10+/+ years is not established or generally accepted/adopted) IMHO.

Regards,
Jeff

Jeff said:

Which confirmed sales prices are you referring to ... in the exact same domains in both the ".TV" and the .NET? :blink:
IYHO.

However, in this context, it has been generally ask and answered;
The .NET (because its an established extension) is not being actively (one might even argue, buoyed) supported in hyped-up Profile / Premium auctions by a relatively small amount of Usual Suspects©; who have their own self-interests in mind (in an ccTLD that still after 10+/+ years is not established or generally accepted/adopted) IMHO.

Regards,
Jeff

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Once more Jeff, please see th link provided a few days ago which you chose to ignore.

http://www.namepros.com/648209-sedo-tv-no-april-fools-joke-2.html#post3780625

Jeff said:

.NET (because its an established extension) is not being actively supported in hyped-up Profile / Premium auctions by a relatively small amount of Usual Suspects©; who have their own self-interests in mind (in an ccTLD that still after 10+/+ years is not established or generally accepted/adopted) IMHO.

Kind regards,
Jeff

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Nothing would serve my self-interests more than if everyone was willing to sell me their GEOs at Reg Fee +/- because I like to buy and I don't like to sell because my only interest in .tv is a base for development.

However, I have to live in the reality-based community and in that community, I can't see to find anyone (not domaineers, not registrars, not anyone else) who is willing to actually sell me any good .tv domains at REG FEE +/-

I am transparent about what I consider the market price to be: +/- 1% of the .com price with huge variances per category.

At that level or below I am usually a buyer if I otherwise like the domain and have some possible use for it. Above, I am usually not.

I am not sure where the hype is. This is the approximate reality of the market.

Why are my posts now being deleted?, yet this troll is allowed to continue his nonsense.

antonis12 said:

Nothing would serve my self-interests more than if everyone was willing to sell me their GEOs at Reg Fee +/- because I like to buy and I don't like to sell because my only interest in .tv is a base for development.

However, I have to live in the reality-based community and in that community, I can't see to find anyone (not domaineers, not registrars, not anyone else) who is willing to actually sell me any good .tv domains at REG FEE +/-

I am transparent about what I consider the market price to be: +/- 1% of the .com price with huge variances per category.

At that level or below I am usually a buyer if I otherwise like the domain and have some possible use for it. Above, I am usually not.

I am not sure where the hype is. This is the approximate reality of the market.

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Fair and honest input (though I would mention that the present ".TV market" is limited in & amongst a very small group of like-minded domainers); and again I think we generally agree on the 1%+/- .TV to .COM market price metric, IMHO. :gl:

Have a great weekend,
Jeff

StoneRoses said:

Why are my posts now being deleted?, yet this troll is allowed to continue his nonsense.

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They were all deleted, but the quotes kept coming while I was doing that.

If it's not on topic, it will be deleted.

Jeff said:

Fair and honest input (though I would mention that the present ".TV market" is limited in & amongst a very small group of like-minded domainers); and again I think we generally agree on the 1%+/- .TV to .COM market price metric, IMHO. :gl:

Have a great weekend,
Jeff

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wow, i more or less agree with this statement.

Bob,
Just an FYI. NorthDakota.net sold for $7,010, but we understand the point.

Latonas.com First Daily Auction Rings In Over $130,000 In Sales | Domain Name News

Best,
A

StoneRoses said:

I thought this a suitable place to post this.

Have you seen that Rick Latona just sold Nebraska.net for $3,251 and NorthDakota.net for $1,751 a few minutes ago ?
And these are domains that he owns, not domains that he's brokering.

As you know very well, .net is far more popular in the US than it is in the UK, and .tv is far less popular in the US than it is in the UK.

Yet, unlike Nebraska.net (which has always been parked so far), Nebraska.tv is owned and fully developed by ABC (despite the fact that Jeff keeps repeating that there's no development in .tv).
And NorthDakota.tv is owned by MrRhee, i am sure i am not speaking out of turn when i say he would never sell it for $1,751



the geo.tv emperor has no clothes ( in Snoops opinion), the geo.net emperor has no skin and no bones left...

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Ammudamus said:

Bob,
Just an FYI. NorthDakota.net sold for $7,010, but we understand the point.

Latonas.com First Daily Auction Rings In Over $130,000 In Sales | Domain Name News

Best,
A

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Wow. I haven't slept for awhile... that's great news to wake up to.