.tv Geo .tv domains, "The emporer has no clothes."

[snoop]

The curtain has been pulled and I think the bidding on the geo's will come as a surprise to some today,

Japan.tv $10,099
Germany.tv $10,099

I thought there would be some level of support still existing in the market but people voted with their wallets today. After 4 years of failed development attempts by domainers and hundreds of thousands in wasted reg fees people have come back to reality on these names.

I think it is pretty apparent that alot of the prior geo sales (even recent ones) that some have grossly overestimated the market.

I've been saying for a while that the geo's .tv's are not the gold standard, they are mostly "trophy names", typically somewhat vague names that are very hard and costly to develop. Even still two sold today are far better targeted than most. Obviously transactions like Italy.tv and California.tv are looking pretty poor today in comparison.

 

[snoop]

As I have said before, the correct answer is to not worry about what you did in the past and look at what options are in front of you today.

Agree. Make decisions based on the reality of today is my view.

 

[equity78]

Congrats Antonis glad to see you got them.

 

[iamkali]

Copy/Paste from the other thread: "IMHO, it makes more sense to buy/develop a geo (country or city) in the native language. For example: Deutschland.tv would have more value than Germany.tv. Japanese people would probably prefer Nippon.tv rather than Japan.tv..."

California.tv is great.
But for me, italia.tv makes more sense than italy.tv

I shall take this post as a good thing.

 

[gr8trfoo]

You could say no bet, but to say you don't understand.

its funny how snoop can be so smart and wise the rest of the time but gets these massive brain farts when it a clear and unambiguous challenge is laid on the table.

The curtain has been pulled and I think the bidding on the geo's will come as a surprise to some today,

Japan.tv $10,099
Germany.tv $10,099

I thought there would be some level of support still existing in the market but people voted with their wallets today. After 4 years of failed development attempts by domainers and hundreds of thousands in wasted reg fees people have come back to reality on these names.

I think it is pretty apparent that alot of the prior geo sales (even recent ones) that some have grossly overestimated the market.

wtf?

i admit that sometimes snoop makes a fair bit of sense but this has got to be the dumbest thing i've heard anyone spew in quite a while. (excluding jeff of course)

i guess snoops motto is if you cant say something bad about .tv go ahead and say something bad anyway.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

"The emporer has no clothes."

But he has underwear AND a dictionary!!

And he has the balls to know when he's being called out!




Looks like we're some way away from royalty with this OP.
Healthcare anyone.... anyone!

 

[MillersCrossing]

its funny how snoop can be so smart and wise the rest of the time but gets these massive brain farts when it a clear and unambiguous challenge is laid on the table.

Pretty obvious that Snoop is not betting man, probably why he can't handle .tv.

To date, he has refused a NON money bet from Finster, a $100 money bet from me (which he would have lost had he taken the bet) and one from Jim.

All three bets he has avoided like the plague, yet is fully suited up and armored when it comes to trashing .tv

Snoop your arguments would be more credible if you put your money where your mouth is instead of 1. ignoring the bets 2. dodging the bets or 3. playing dumb when they are presented to you on a plate.

 

[gr8trfoo]

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Well said Snoop!

Looks like the Geo market really took a hit.

Anyone looking to unload before the market completely caves in, PM me, as you might be able to recoup some of your massive losses.

roflmao

 

[snoop]

Looks like we're some way away from royalty with this OP.
Healthcare anyone.... anyone!

I find it odd that people would talk about the healthcare.net as "criticism" of my views. Personally I'm negative on .net (which is why I have sold most of mine) though healthcare.net I sold for 5-6 times what I paid for it (18k profit) not including parking revenue, so it seems a strange example to me, you could at least choose an example of a loss making sale.

If you are saying .net has done better than .tv I disagree.

If you are saying .net isn't a strong extension I agree.

 

[Jawed]

My surprise is twofold:
Why did business.tv go for such a high price? Why didn't geos perform well?

As we now know the two competing geos were won by a fellow domainer. This partly explains why we didn't see 'end user price' for them.

As far as business.tv is concerned, I suspect that it has been acquired by some big .com guy. If so, then this is really an excellent piece of news for the .tv enthusiasts. :imho:

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Bloody hell Snoop, you're a bit feisty tonight!

Has there been a funeral or something to make you so cheery!


Forget your losses. Why not try and recoup the money by taking up the bet from Jim instead of feigning dumbness?

 

[equity78]

Its not odd I did not knock your sale. You said the emperor has no clothes because of a $10,000 sale for Germany.tv then in comparison I am wondering why you did not start a thread in the Domain Discussion area saying ".net the emperor has no clothes" and then you post, When a keyword like healthcare sells for $22,000 then .net is without clothes.

 

[cityforums.com]

My surprise is twofold:
Why did business.tv go for such a high price? Why didn't geos perform well?

As we now know the two competing geos were won by a fellow domainer. This partly explains why we didn't see 'end user price' for them.

As far as business.tv is concerned, I suspect that it has been acquired by some big .com guy. If so, then this is really an excellent piece of news for the .tv enthusiasts. :imho:

perhaps development costs factor in more to .TV domains than .com ?

 

[discovernow]

Gents,

I am the buyer on both of those.

I am surprised they went that low. I threw in a bid not particularly expecting to get them and I am thrilled that nobody pushed me on them because they would have won them.

I personally think they are not just a better value-for-money than most of the more expensive domains that sold today, but better in an absolute sense as well.

Whether you call it trophy value or what have you, the fact remains that those are 2 of the 4 largest economies in the world. Whether it is tourism or trade promotion, I am hard-pressed to envision a scenario where you could not generate $10K of value back over time against them. I don't think the primary value is local content for locals; that would logically be in japanese or german. but for someone visiting those countries, then EnglishNameofCountry is really the most useful.

I try to stick to my 1% .com to .tv rule of thumb (most of the time; I make one exception that I will not discuss right now) and by that metric, I feel happy to have purchased them. The .com of each of these would be a $1M (or + ) domain, so $10K is fine.

It it accurate to say that they are a better value than some high renewal premiums? Yup. Does that mean anything? Not really to me. As I have said before, the correct answer is to not worry about what you did in the past and look at what options are in front of you today.

I do think there is also a matter of perspective. The GEO owners that I have seen in .tv tend to prefer US cities to international countries. Fair enough, it is a reasonable point of view. I will take the opposite side of that trade. But I spend almost half my year based in Europe so it is perhaps easier for me to see how one could make something happen with this.

Thanks,

Antonis

Antonis,

Congradulations on Germany.tv and Japan.tv. I feel the same way as you do, that is why I got England.tv for basically the same price.

Thanks, Jim

 

[snoop]

Snoop your arguments would be more credible if you put your money where your mouth is instead of 1. ignoring the bets 2. dodging the bets or 3. playing dumb when they are presented to you on a plate.

Firstly I have no intrest in "bets" on anything as you suggest.

Secondly why would I be interest in making a bet that the owner of england.tv won't make a profit? I never said the guy whouldn't make a profit. I'm saying the geo market had been revealed as massively overhyped. I don't even know what he paid for England.tv.

Regarding Finster's wager, that was an attempt by him to dodge his past claims of being a huge .com domainer, aswell as other exaggerated claims such as being a major competitor to Yun Ye, buddies with famous domainers and running a major parking program (which was so major it shut down long ago).

If Finster was a major .com domainer he could easily prove it by posting some names he owns, but he won't, instead he tries to think up silly wagers and talks about boxing, that speaks volumes. He has been dodging the same question since June 2009.

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Its not odd I did not knock your sale. You said the emperor has no clothes because of a $10,000 sale for Germany.tv then in comparison I am wondering why you did not start a thread in the Domain Discussion area saying ".net the emperor has no clothes" and then you post, When a keyword like healthcare sells for $22,000 then .net is without clothes.

The name has appreciated by 5-6 fold in the space of 4 and a half years, it would be pretty hard to argue that is an example of the extension having no clothes.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

I never said the guy whouldn't make a profit. I'm saying the geo market had been revealed as massively overhyped..

You truly do have views from another era.

In the past few weeks I've seen actually sales of geo's for $19,000 (Italy), $10,099 (Germany) and $10,099 Japan - all five figure sums.

Yet you call this 'overhyped'.

'Overhyped', my good friend is trying to sell something ridiculous and offensive, like SerialKiller.com for $60,000.

When you get a dictionary - read under 'O' before talking such drivel again.

 

[snoop]

You truly do have views from another era.

In the past few weeks I've seen actually sales of geo's for $19,000 (Italy), $10,099 (Germany) and $10,099 Japan - all five figure sums.

Yet you call this 'overhyped'.

'Overhyped', my good friend is trying to sell something ridiculous and offensive, like SerialKiller.com for $60,000.

When you get a dictionary - read under 'O' before talking such drivel again.

Jimbo, you have misread my post. I'm saying people have been overestimating the value of these names. Italy.tv at $19k with a $750 renewal makes no sense at all when Japan.tv and Germany.tv get $10k at auction with normal renewals. Clearly most of he sales in the past were inflated. Even some of the recent ones, like Italy.tv.

I'm not saying Japan.tv or Germany.tv auction were inflated - that is the reality of the market.

Here is what was said,

The curtain has been pulled and I think the bidding on the geo's will come as a surprise to some today,

Japan.tv $10,099
Germany.tv $10,099

I thought there would be some level of support still existing in the market but people voted with their wallets today. After 4 years of failed development attempts by domainers and hundreds of thousands in wasted reg fees people have come back to reality on these names.

I think it is pretty apparent that alot of the prior geo sales (even recent ones) that some have grossly overestimated the market.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Jimbo, you have misread my post.

I doubt that. I think CLEARLY you've mis-written your post.

I'm saying people have been overestimating the value of these names. Italy.tv at $19k with a $750 renewal makes no sense at all

I would have thought buying, for example Italy.tv over ten years would total $26,500 (if premiums still exist). That seems very 'underestimated, not 'overestimated'.

Clearly most of he sales in the past were inflated. Even some of the recent ones, like Italy.tv.

One minute you discuss basing 'everything on events today', then you start going on about the past!

Even worse, your memory is quite fuzzy about events when questioned.

I'm not saying Japan.tv or Germany.tv auction were inflated - that is the reality of the market.,

Yes, it IS the reality of the market. So why not rejoice it instead of trying to piss on it.

How did the comment go: 'can't see the wood for the trees, and as soon as he sees a tree, he needs to piss on it to feel relieved'


Start using facts - not this pseudo-made-up malarkey.


And get a god'damned dictionary

 

[snoop]

I would have thought buying, for example Italy.tv over ten years would total $26,500 (if premiums still exist). That seems very 'underestimated, not 'overestimated'.

I don't see how that compares well to Japan.tv or Germany.tv at 10k. Even still at the end of the 10 years you'll still be forking out more. I would say Italy.tv is worth a couple of thousand based on the Japan/Germany sales. Outright (with a $20 renewal rather than the $750 renewal) I would have thought about 10k.

 

[Jeff]

In the past few weeks I've seen actually sales of geo's for $19,000 (Italy), $10,099 (Germany) and $10,099 Japan - all five figure sums.

Yet you call this 'overhyped'.

It's 100% domainer (over)HYPED; of these three specific Geo ".TV's", how many have been completed/verified "sales", and how many were purchased by bonafide End users? :gl:
What if one were to include Sweden.TV (at $4,900)?? :red:

Thanks,
Jeff

 

[Jawed]

'Overhyped', my good friend is trying to sell something ridiculous and offensive, like SerialKiller.com for $60,000.

SerialKiller.com for $60,000? You must be joking! No offence but it's a reg fee name.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Bringing this back on topic...

The curtain has been pulled and I think the bidding on the geo's will come as a surprise to some today,.

You're bloody right they did. Five figure sales!

You've spent forever saying stuff like this wasn't possible.

I thought there would be some level of support still existing in the market but people voted with their wallets today.

I think their wallets voted with three-quarters of million dollars.

I've been saying for a while that the geo's .tv's are not the gold standard, they are mostly "trophy names", typically somewhat vague names that are very hard and costly to develop.

Your complete 'grandaddy' understanding of the power of internet TV is beyond belief. Have you never seen the likes of AbsoluteBrighton.tv - a classic geo based Tv channel

Obviously transactions like Italy.tv and California.tv are looking pretty poor today in comparison.

Are you really saying you wouldn't like to own California.TV?

My only feeling on this one is that you didn't get a piece of the .TV pie during the goldrush so want to piss one everyone's chips.

 

[snoop]

Are you really saying you wouldn't like to own California.TV?

No. I'm saying the price looks far too high for California.tv.

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What if one were to include Sweden.TV (at $4,900)?? :red:

Sweden.tv ($600 renewal) is another one that I think wouldn't stack up well after this auction.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

I'm saying the price looks far too high for California.tv..

What do you mean: 'looks too high'?

(as the man in the well said, everything looks too high for me)

I have NO understanding of your scale/measurement indicators.

If your SerialKiller.com name was on the same scale, at $60,000, where would that be on the scale in comparison to California.tv?


Just give some idea of what you are talking about.

 

[Jeff]

Bottom line; even with NO PREMIUM RENEWAL FEES ... Geo ".TV's" are in the vicinity of being worth more or less than 1.0% - 1.5% of the value of their corresponding .COM's; .TV is the ultimate niche / vanity extension (ccTLD) ... and the, as yet, unverified "sales" of Germany.tv and Japan.tv were, in all likelihood, for purely domainer and vanity purposes IMHO.

Sweden.tv ($600 renewal) is another one that I think wouldn't stack up well after this auction.

Agreed (as that sale was prior to today's auction) ... if any type of Premium renewal fee is still associated with an Geo .TV, then the resale potential of that domain went down exponentially today! :imho:

Regards,
Jeff

 

[MicroGuy]

SerialKiller.com for $60,000? You must be joking! No offence but it's a reg fee name.

I agree.