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Experts,

I’ve had the domain name QpidDating.com for about three months. I just signed on with Bodis.com and saw that QpidDating.com had a number of hits.

I googled the name and found out there’s an app named QpidDating. I’m 99.9 percent sure l have no legal recourse; in fact, l suppose this app could have existed before l registered the domain name.

I’m surprised that the owner of the app didn’t register it as a domain name. It hasn’t been trademarked, at least according to TESS.

I’m a relative domaining neophyte and am wondering what l should do—if anything. I’m guessing perhaps l should try to sell the domain name to the app owner—though it’s hard for me to imagine that he or she hasn’t already determined if QpidDating.com is available.

Any feedback much appreciated.

Thanking you in advance.
 
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It hasn’t been trademarked, at least according to TESS.

Most of the time, any assertion in an OP about what is or is not in some trademark database, or what some record means. Is incorrect from the get go...


Word Mark QPID

Goods and Services
IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Arranging and conducting gift exchange programs; Consulting in the field of personal relationships; Escort services; Internet-based dating, social introduction and social networking services; Marriage bureaus; On-line identity reliability investigation in the field of on-line dating and claims made about age, gender; Personal background investigations; Providing a web site featuring information and content in the fields of personal relationships, dating and fashion; Providing facilities for wedding ceremonies; Chaperoning; Dating services; Marriage counseling; Matchmaking services; Personal gift selection for others. FIRST USE: 19981010. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20121110

Registration Number
4486031

Registration DateFebruary 18, 2014

QPID been a registered mark in the US for internet based dating for more than nine years, and is most certainly in TESS.

Carry on.
 
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Most of the time, any assertion in an OP about what is or is not in some trademark database, or what some record means. Is incorrect from the get go...


Word Mark QPID

Goods and Services
IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Arranging and conducting gift exchange programs; Consulting in the field of personal relationships; Escort services; Internet-based dating, social introduction and social networking services; Marriage bureaus; On-line identity reliability investigation in the field of on-line dating and claims made about age, gender; Personal background investigations; Providing a web site featuring information and content in the fields of personal relationships, dating and fashion; Providing facilities for wedding ceremonies; Chaperoning; Dating services; Marriage counseling; Matchmaking services; Personal gift selection for others. FIRST USE: 19981010. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20121110

Registration Number
4486031

Registration DateFebruary 18, 2014

QPID been a registered mark in the US for internet based dating for more than nine years, and is most certainly in TESS.

Carry on.

Thank you for your informative response. I’m not surprised that “Qpid” is trademarked. I submitted QpidDating.com to TESS. As l said, l am a newcomer to domaining, and l’m just trying to do what’s right while helping my cause in the process.

From what I’ve read, mostly on NamePros, a domain name is not trademark-able, or l would have attempted to obtain one.
 
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I’m not surprised that “Qpid” is trademarked. I submitted QpidDating.com to TESS.

I hope you see the limitation of that strategy. But this is why I repeatedly make the point that bothering with the TESS database is pretty much useless for many domainers, due to a variety of commonly held misconceptions about trademarks.

If you are pondering a name such as that, whether the generic term is combined with some arguably distinctive portion, then what you want to know is whether that portion is a mark for those goods or services.

Think about these examples:

“FordAutomobiles.com”

“BudweiserBeer.com”

“MarlboroCigarettes.com”

Are any of those things, literally the stuff between the quotes, going to turn up in the TESS database? Well, of course not.

But, obviously while “Ford” for example is a lot of people’s last name, and it is also a trademark of a well known modeling agency, the combination “FordAutomobiles” obviously refers to a particular trademark for automobiles. Likewise the other two (unless you are in the Czech Republic, where the beer from Budvar is older than the US brand).

If you are trying to figure out if “QpidDating.com” is a problem name, you should be trying to figure out if “qpid” is a mark for dating.
 
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From what I’ve read, mostly on NamePros, a domain name is not trademark-able, or l would have attempted to obtain one.

Okay, now that’s a rare double misconception in one sentence. Dealing with the second problem first, since it is easier, you wouldn’t be able to obtain a US trademark registration for “qpiddating.com”. QPID is already a registered trademark for a dating service. The USPTO is not going to allow a registration for “qpiddating.com” any more than they would allow one for “McDonaldsFrenchFries.com”.

But, sure a domain name can be a trademark if it is used as a trademark. If the domain name - apart from the function of signifying a website or email address - is used to identify a brand of services, then not only can it be registered as a mark, but there are many thousands of them.

Try this one on for size:

Word Mark AMAZON.COM
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: computerized on line search and ordering service featuring the wholesale and retail distribution of books, music, motion pictures, multimedia products and computer software in the form of printed books, audiocassettes, videocassettes, compact disks, floppy disks, CD ROMs, and direct digital transmission. FIRST USE: 19950415. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19950415
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 75277670
Registration Number 2167345
Registration Date June 23, 1998

Back in the late 90’s, it was much more common to refer to “Amazon.com” and “Yahoo.con” among others that way, than as “merely “Amazon” or “Yahoo” which reflected a general dropping of “.com” to signify the then-novel field of internet commerce.
 
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Okay, now that’s a rare double misconception in one sentence. Dealing with the second problem first, since it is easier, you wouldn’t be able to obtain a US trademark registration for “qpiddating.com”. QPID is already a registered trademark for a dating service. The USPTO is not going to allow a registration for “qpiddating.com” any more than they would allow one for “McDonaldsFrenchFries.com”.

But, sure a domain name can be a trademark if it is used as a trademark. If the domain name - apart from the function of signifying a website or email address - is used to identify a brand of services, then not only can it be registered as a mark, but there are many thousands of them.

Try this one on for size:

Word Mark AMAZON.COM
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: computerized on line search and ordering service featuring the wholesale and retail distribution of books, music, motion pictures, multimedia products and computer software in the form of printed books, audiocassettes, videocassettes, compact disks, floppy disks, CD ROMs, and direct digital transmission. FIRST USE: 19950415. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19950415
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 75277670
Registration Number 2167345
Registration Date June 23, 1998

Back in the late 90’s, it was much more common to refer to “Amazon.com” and “Yahoo.con” among others that way, than as “merely “Amazon” or “Yahoo” which reflected a general dropping of “.com” to signify the then-novel field of internet commerce.

Wow! A college English professor commits a rare double misconception—which seems to me to be an ungrammatical way of saying oxymoron. Shame on me! But l can wield the most-important punctuation mark on the planet—the semicolon—unlike 95 percent of the population.

I do appreciate your taking the time to respond to my query. I would have thought l would receive a number of helpful replies to a question many neophytes might ask—but not so.

I must admit that you use specialized terms l’m
not familiar with, and to be honest, l still don’t understand my options if any.

By the way, l’ve written several successfully published and produced full-length stage plays; thus, l believe l can be fairly creative—and l do believe Qpid is fairly clever (after all, someone used it in an app) despite your misgivings.
 
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Even if there were no TM why would you think merely registered a domain would give you “legal recourse”?

Legal recourse implies some right to sue the app you mention that is “using” your domain name? That’s like saying that whatever dot com would have automatic recourse to sue whatever dot net (or dot whatever) just because one was registered before the other.
 
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Even if there were no TM why would you think merely registered a domain would give you “legal recourse”?

Legal recourse implies some right to sue the app you mention that is “using” your domain name? That’s like saying that whatever dot com would have automatic recourse to sue whatever dot net (or dot whatever) just because one was registered before the other.

Did you take the time to read my post? I said l was 99.9 percent sure I HAD NO LEGAL RECOURSE!

And your second sentence in your second paragraph is all-but-incomprehensible. Take it from an upper-level English instructor.
 
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I did read it. But the converse of what you’re saying is that you think or imply that there is some sort of legal recourse available by registering a domain but that it’s somehow not available to you because “l suppose this app could have existed before l registered the domain name.” What I’m saying and I illustrated by way of example is that this thinking is irrelevant. Whatever dot com doesn’t automatically have the right to sue whatever dot net just because it was registered first. Merely registering a domain name doesn’t give you automatic rights to sue affirmatively.

Anyway you sound frustrated. Take a break come back when you’re calmer and not looking to pick a fight. Resume the conversation solely with the party above.
 
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l still don’t understand my options if any.

Well, there's a reason I don't write plays. I'm sure they would suck. "Hey guys, does anyone have a good list of insults in iambic pentameter that I can use for a swordfight thing I'm working on?"

Among the duties owed by a lawyer to an actual client - i.e. someone whom the lawyer undertakes to advise - are the duties to maintain confidentiality of such communications and to maintain the privilege in those communications against use as evidence. That is, of course, not possible on an internet forum which is why no competent lawyer would engage in providing legal advice on one. It is instant malpractice.

If I were Catholic, I'm sure there is probably an online religious forum I might find in which I could converse with a priest or two, but I wouldn't expect to go to confession there.

Questions in this forum do provide handy jumping off points to address various common misconceptions. My purpose here was simply to point out that a frequent problem among domainers is an undue fixation on specialized tools they don't know how to use.

"My professor said I right bad, but spell check fund no airs in what I rote."

A trademark is not a government grant of some kind. In the US, Commonwealth countries, and some other places, a trademark includes any symbol or word which is perceived by the relevant consuming public to distinctively indicate the source or origin of the goods or services with which the mark is used. When you see a bottle of ale with a red triangle on it, you know it is Bass Ale, as did the frequently-illiterate warehousemen on the canals and rivers of England when a crate had that red triangle on it - a trade mark - to identify which goods were whose. That red triangle is one of the oldest continuously used trademarks. Does it confer an outright monopoly on red triangles? No.

Is "beer" a trademark for beer? No. Is "Bud" a trademark for beer? Yes. Is "Bud" a trademark for flowers, no. Why? Because while "Bud" is distinctive in relation to beverages, it is generic in relation to flowering plants. You aren't going to see "Bud" brand cannabis anytime soon, because they've been called "buds" for years.

Honestly, it's like a whole field of study... Imagine someone walking up to you and saying, "I've got about a minute before I can catch a bus, could you summarize the Transcendentalists for me?"

If you have a trademark in the US, then you might want to take the additional step of attempting to register that trademark. But, what domainers are doing when they consult TESS is like looking at a list of all of the dog licenses, in order to find all of the people who own dogs. It won't work. There are a lot more people who own dogs, and there are a lot more dogs, than there are dog licenses. Some people don't license their dogs. They still own dogs, and their dogs will still bite you if you try to break into their house.

But, one of the advantages of registration in the US is that it confers what is called "constructive notice" which eliminates the defense of "I never heard of the mark" if you are infringing it.

I’m guessing perhaps l should try to sell the domain name to the app owner—though it’s hard for me to imagine that he or she hasn’t already determined if QpidDating.com is available.

They have a company to run, and there are an infinite number of domain names that might incorporate variations of their trading area and mark. QpidDates.com, QpidDate.com, DatingQpid.com, and so on, and in hundreds of TLD's. There's just no point in spending thousands of dollars to accumulate thousands of variant domain names for no productive purpose. In their company, as in most companies, they prefer to pay their employees to spend all day making money instead of finding ways to spend it.

In the event someone registers a confusingly similar domain name and attracts their attention, they have various legal mechanisms at their disposal to deal with that. These mechanisms include, for example, seeking $100,000 in statutory damages if it appears more likely than not that someone registered the domain name for the purpose of selling it to them, which is exactly what you'd look like if you showed up on their doorstep looking to sell this domain name to them.

I came out of a bar one night and met a helpful young man in the parking lot who pointed out that some awful persons had apparently stolen the hubcaps from my car but, as fate would have it, this young man happened to have an identical set for sale right there! Thank goodness he showed up, or I would not have had the opportunity to purchase an immediate set of replacements!
 
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