$1 per day from miniwebsites

[bluebox]

I've got a few unused domains. I'm thinking about building minisites on them. Let's say I wanted to get at least $1 per day per domain.

My approx. estimations (I didn't play with Adsense for a long time so I might be off):

- $0.25 per click (let's not be too optimistic) so I will need at least 4 per/day
- with CTR 5% that would be 80 visitors x 30 = 2400 v. per month
- I won't be at the first position probably, lets say 5% of people who search for that keyword will end up on my website =
1 keyword with 48000 searches per month
10 keywords with 4800 searches
100 keywords with... you get the idea

What do you think?

 

[Toni]

what's MFA mean?

in this context "made for adsense"

Somehow, i'm inclined to think that there is a certain threshold on how many domains you can add to an Adsense ID, before you trigger the suspicion flag on Google headquarters.

After all, how can any human build and maintain "quality" content for 200+ domains? lol

yes I am sure you are right, there must be a threshold..

building 200 quality websites is not that hard, maintaining them, keeping them up to date is almost impossible if you are alone, but there are also set and forget type of sites (once you wrote 10-20 articles there is just not more to say about the subject and it's unlikely things change in the near future), I need about 2-3 days to build a high quality site from scratch, I no longer do any coding thanks to CMS (huge time saver)

 

[enlytend]

But i was wondering why the need to deindex a website that can just be penalized by dropping it say 3,000 pages down the search results instead?

There are all kinds of penalties for various things. Removal (deindexing) is worse than a penalty. Just their heierarchy of dealing with infractions.

A large NUMBER of sites with Adsense might prompt them to take a closer look, but wouldn't in itself trigger a penalty (for all they know, you could have hired people to maintain and manage all those sites.)

Lately the PLACEMENT of ads in your layout has become a factor. Google has made it clear that they don't want more ads than content "above the fold", and that's something they can determine automatically.

Here's what they have to say on site layout and ads:
http://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=132575

Avoid making sites that look like example #3.

 

[Domainace]

But i was wondering why the need to deindex a website that can just be penalized by dropping it say 3,000 pages down the search results instead?

This is what burns me about Google (and Bing as well). If they don't like the site, fine. But why not just drop it to page 3000? By deindexing, they are hurting their own customers. If somebody searches for mydomain.com in Google, and it's deindexed, they won't find it. What's the point of that? Expecially when they offer up mydomain.net in its place, and it's a parked paged filled with Google ads. Or maybe that is the point.

 

[alien51]

building 200 quality websites is not that hard, maintaining them, keeping them up to date is almost impossible if you are alone, but there are also set and forget type of sites (once you wrote 10-20 articles there is just not more to say about the subject and it's unlikely things change in the near future)

I agree with you. However, if you have accumulated so many build-and-forget types down the road, it will make you look like a website factory that Google seems to be trying to eradicate.

---------- Post added at 05:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:05 AM ----------

A large NUMBER of sites with Adsense might prompt them to take a closer look, but wouldn't in itself trigger a penalty (for all they know, you could have hired people to maintain and manage all those sites.)

I wonder how many websites does Demand Media Inc. have? This is a website factory whose revenue is based on Adsense only. They seem to be a Google-approved adsense factory.

Lately the PLACEMENT of ads in your layout has become a factor. Google has made it clear that they don't want more ads than content "above the fold", and that's something they can determine automatically.

Based from my own experience, if you pepper your page with ads, the more people will try to be very careful that their mouse won't accidentally click on any of them.

Here's what they have to say on site layout and ads:
http://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=132575

Avoid making sites that look like example #3.

Good link. Also can you comment on the Adsense on the EHow website? The Adsense header font color appear to be exactly the same size and color as the content headers. After reading their article, you continue on and accidentally click the Adsense header thinking it's a continuation link for the article.

I think it's a deceptive blending of ads with content.

---------- Post added at 05:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:13 AM ----------

If somebody searches for mydomain.com in Google, and it's deindexed, they won't find it. What's the point of that?

I think they are trying to send you a message. Pretty absurd, i agree. Especially if the domain was dropped and you were unlucky enough to pick it up.

I bought a dropped domain recently that i only found out was deindexed by Google because no matter how much pages and content i put in there (no Adsense), the Google bot won't pick it up. Although Yahoo and Bing gladly indexed it in no time. I bought so many dropped domains before and they were indexed as soon as i put content in them, even 1 page content was enough to get them indexed. But not this particular domain though.

 

[enlytend]

I wonder how many websites does Demand Media Inc. have? This is a website factory whose revenue is based on Adsense only. They seem to be a Google-approved adsense factory.

They play by the rules well enough to get by. They did get hit by Panda though - I believe they admitted to a 20% drop in search referer traffic.

Ehow - the ads are well blended ... to me it looks like there's enough space to set them apart from the other content.

Of course, if you're a big, well-known entity you're more likely to get the benefit of the doubt than a complete unknown. Let's compare this to a company - company president's brother-in-law works there and screws up. Company president may fire him if it's REALLY bad (example: like Google did with JC Penney, Overstock and some others), but he's probably less likely to be fired by some low-level HR drone over something borderline or trivial .

 

[johname]

"Joe/Jill" domainer is on a much quicker google trigger then the Demand Media and Ehow's of the net, which probably has reps communicating with google.

 

[Domainace]

I kept a few of them because they are great domains, changed hosts, bought who.is privacy, dumped the minsite and changed it into WP with an unique template for each (have a program to build nice looking templates fast), have uploaded 5 more unique articles on average and STILL after 2 months or so they are not making their way back into the index.

I have had pretty good luck with asking Google for reinclusion when I have bought deindexed domains. In some cases with well less than 5 articles and no links at all. I'm thinking that you would do better to move the domains to a new account with an alternate identity, and then apply.

On the other hand, for sites I have had deindexed (that use a particular platform), no amount of original articles or backlinks seems to help. I haven't added as many as 20, granted, but sometimes I get the feeling with Google that it's more personal than they let on.

I can't see how a common theme would hurt you either way. Think of how many people use the Wordpress default, for example.

 

[Toni]

do you think they'll accept re-inclusions in bulk? :blink:

the reason I made unique templates (with logo/banner and all) is to help with the manual review I was expecting for these sites.

 

[Oldfrog]

Hey Toni, one of mine was penalized and I can't figure out why, really....except maybe for a few link exchanges from legit sites. ( less than 7) It has 100% unique content, 15+ pages and was doing REALLY well. In fact, if you search, using one of the primary keyword phrases now, you'll get some TERRIBLE results in the top 5 on page one.....whereas my site was spot on target for the term with useful content. That's crazy. There are sites that show up now with totally irrelevant content for the same search. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. I'm still there, @ #1 on one key word search, but not the rest of them.

 

[Toni]

OldFrog as far as I know G. doesn't like Link Exchanges, and if they were common link exchanges it's really easy to detect, but also 3 way exchanges are not hidden, it's fairly easy to detect a network...

You are talking about a Noomle site, right?

Not sure what to tell you, but don't put all your focus one site only and 1 backlinking strategy, and especially after panda I don't know what really still works - probably quality only plus a hint of Social and Quality one way backlinks. You should compare your site to the other sites in your niches that rank better and then ask yourself: "Do they offer better value to the visitor or not?"

 

[Oldfrog]

Yes, it was an "N" site. (food). It occurred on May 12th. That's when the organic traffic dropped like a rock...after that date.

What I was trying to say, was that....if you typed in the search "XYZ". My site was # 1, and for good reason. The content for the "XYZ" search is on target, informative and 100% unique.

Now, when you search "XYZ"...the top 5 sites that show up are NOT informative, have old, sparse and out of date information ( some from 2004) and arent really telling you much about "XYZ".

Whatever change they made to the search does NOT enhance the user whatsoever. It only forces him to use another search engine, or change the search terms, in this case. As for myself, I use dogpile now, which searches 3 engines.

 

[Toni]

Try to focus on getting a couple 1 way quality links to your site and maybe add a facebook fanpage, bookmark your site etc, have a look if your site might seem like MFA and change if needed - ranking in the food niche (I assume recipes) isn't too tough, you should be back up soon if you invest a little time...

 

[Oldfrog]

Well now, it seems that they tweaked it a bit more...and my site is back up on top. ( yay!) I didnt do much to the site since then, either. Maybe they were just trying to show us who's boss?

 

[iSynergy Media]

I Suggest , you try work more on sorting out the keyword and atlast i suggest you all the best.

 

[aditd]

I've got a few unused domains. I'm thinking about building minisites on them. Let's say I wanted to get at least $1 per day per domain.

My approx. estimations (I didn't play with Adsense for a long time so I might be off):

- $0.25 per click (let's not be too optimistic) so I will need at least 4 per/day
- with CTR 5% that would be 80 visitors x 30 = 2400 v. per month
- I won't be at the first position probably, lets say 5% of people who search for that keyword will end up on my website =
1 keyword with 48000 searches per month
10 keywords with 4800 searches
100 keywords with... you get the idea

What do you think?

Quite a lot of work ... for only 1$ per day!
Plus it's does not seem like: I'm going to write about a hobby ( so I'll get pleasure from that ) and also aiming fro 1$ per day.