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Hello,
Relating to my previous UDRP question. If i register a new domain name and only keep it hosted/parked without any advertisments and i do not use it in any way i only own the domain name , is there any grounds for a trademark owner to win a possible UDRP case against this kind of domain, what i mean is there any possibilities of financial liabilities in this kind of case? I undestand that it is possible to have your domain terminated or transfered to the trademark owner.

Thanks in advance,
Puredom777
 
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Yes.

Parking a domain name, or not using it can be interpreted as lack of legitimate purpose.
A TM holder could still argue you are holding the name hostage.
 
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Yes.

Parking a domain name, or not using it can be interpreted as lack of legitimate purpose.
A TM holder could still argue you are holding the name hostage.

Thank you Kate,
With legitimate purpose, do you mean that the complainant ( trademark owner) does not have sufficient reasons to win the UDRP? Also if found guilty of this " hostage keeping" what would be the worst case scenario ?

Best reg !!!!!
 
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If someone (TM holder) launches a UDRP against you, then you'll have to demonstrate you have a legitimate purpose. Failing that, you would lose the domain.
A TM holder could also sue in court for damages. That is unlikely but it has happened on the occasion.
They are not obliged to use UDRP.

Suppose your intention is to sell the domain one day, and say there is an obvious TM issue, then it's unlikely that someone else is going to buy it if they can't use it without the risk of being UDRPed/sued...
Unless the name can be used for something else, without infringing on the rights of some other party.

So it depends. If you are buying a name with the sole purpose of selling it to the TM holder ('holding the domain hostage') it's probably not a good strategy. There has to be a more compelling reason.

Disclaimer: not qualified legal advice, just some common sense and domainer experience.
 
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If someone (TM holder) launches a UDRP against you, then you'll have to demonstrate you have a legitimate purpose. Failing that, you would lose the domain.
A TM holder could also sue in court for damages. That is unlikely but it has happened on the occasion.
They are not obliged to use UDRP.

Suppose your intention is to sell the domain one day, and say there is an obvious TM issue, then it's unlikely that someone else is going to buy it if they can't use it without the risk of being UDRPed/sued...
Unless the name can be used for something else, without infringing on the rights of some other party.

So it depends. If you are buying a name with the sole purpose of selling it to the TM holder ('holding the domain hostage') it's probably not a good strategy. There has to be a more compelling reason.

Disclaimer: not qualified legal advice, just some common sense and domainer experience.


Thank you again Kate ! I am so fresh to this business, that i have yet not registered or sold any domains. The reason i started this thread is that i'm contemplating that is it safe for me as a private person to start domaining, considering all these legal possibilities? I would not mind losing a domain / domains, since in the beginning, i would only register new domain names that i have invented myself, my only concern is the possible damage liabilities, since as a private person , i have limited financial resources.. My sole purpose would be to register new names and host them without any adds and to only sell them as blanc page domain names in auctions ( so im not going to sell purposefully to TM owners) but to anybody who would be willing to buy. I wonder would this kind of strategy be considered "good faith" in possible damage case? Also do you know that is there any difference for the amounts of liabilities in possible court cases if the respondent is a Private person versus a Corporation? Put alltogether, in your opinion is it safe as a private person to start domaining in this way ?

Thank youin advance ...
 
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If someone (TM holder) launches a UDRP against you, then you'll have to demonstrate you have a legitimate purpose. Failing that, you would lose the domain.
A TM holder could also sue in court for damages. That is unlikely but it has happened on the occasion.
They are not obliged to use UDRP.

Suppose your intention is to sell the domain one day, and say there is an obvious TM issue, then it's unlikely that someone else is going to buy it if they can't use it without the risk of being UDRPed/sued...
Unless the name can be used for something else, without infringing on the rights of some other party.

So it depends. If you are buying a name with the sole purpose of selling it to the TM holder ('holding the domain hostage') it's probably not a good strategy. There has to be a more compelling reason.

Disclaimer: not qualified legal advice, just some common sense and domainer experience.

Kate i'm sorry, if i troubled you too much and asked too much of your time and i also want to thank you very much for your effort to explain these things to a complete newbie, you did a good job thanks !!!
 
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Also do you know that is there any difference for the amounts of liabilities in possible court cases if the respondent is a Private person versus a Corporation? Put alltogether, in your opinion is it safe as a private person to start domaining in this way ?
I am not qualified to provide legal service, the best would be to research case law.
But there is the ACPA, that in theory awards up to $100,000 in damages. Look this up.

if you live in the US, there is a significant likelihood that you will be sued at some point in your existence, because it's the land of lawyers. Everybody can be sued over anything. Divorce, business, alimony, neighborhood etc. It's not like domaining is risky, it's just a business like any other. Copyright and trademark issues predate the Internet.

On the other hand, you can't squeeze blood out of a stone. You don't sue someone who doesn't have assets. You sue a juicy target.

In general, there are warning shots fired before a UDRP or lawsuit is filed against you. You should receive a cease and desist letter, or maybe a more formal letter from a lawyer on behalf of the TM holder. So you have a chance to settle the issue.

If you don't do stupid things, the odds that you will be embroiled in a legal case are really low. I recommend that you read up the legal section at NP, there is plenty of information and many questions have been answered multiple times.

It does not happen often that a domainer is sued but it has happened.
For example: https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/11/poker-guide-publisher-sues-over-alleged-trademark-/
If I remember correctly he had to pay over 50K including lawyer fees.

In a UDRP the worst that can happen is that you lose the domain. But rulings are published online and indexed by search engines. If someone (for example a prospective employer) types your name in Google they will see you are cybersquatter. There is lasting damage to your e-reputation, so domainers should always avoid being on the losing end of a UDRP. And if you lose a UDRP, it can be used as evidence of bad faith against you in a another future UDRP. It's going to put you in a weaker position from the very start even if the case is flimsy.

And even after a UDRP, whatever the outcome, the TM holder can still sue you for damages. Why not if it's convenient for them and the stakes are worth it.
 
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I am not qualified to provide legal service, the best would be to research case law.
But there is the ACPA, that in theory awards up to $100,000 in damages. Look this up.

if you live in the US, there is a significant likelihood that you will be sued at some point in your existence, because it's the land of lawyers. Everybody can be sued over anything. Divorce, business, alimony, neighborhood etc. It's not like domaining is risky, it's just a business like any other. Copyright and trademark issues predate the Internet.

On the other hand, you can't squeeze blood out of a stone. You don't sue someone who doesn't have assets. You sue a juicy target.

In general, there are warning shots fired before a UDRP or lawsuit is filed against you. You should receive a cease and desist letter, or maybe a more formal letter from a lawyer on behalf of the TM holder. So you have a chance to settle the issue.

If you don't do stupid things, the odds that you will be embroiled in a legal case are really low. I recommend that you read up the legal section at NP, there is plenty of information and many questions have been answered multiple times.

It does not happen often that a domainer is sued but it has happened.
For example:
If I remember correctly he had to pay over 50K including lawyer fees.

In a UDRP the worst that can happen is that you lose the domain. But rulings are published online and indexed by search engines. If someone (for example a prospective employer) types your name in Google they will see you are cybersquatter. There is lasting damage to your e-reputation, so domainers should always avoid being on the losing end of a UDRP. And if you lose a UDRP, it can be used as evidence of bad faith against you in a another future UDRP. It's going to put you in a weaker position from the very start even if the case is flimsy.

And even after a UDRP, whatever the outcome, the TM holder can still sue you for damages. Why not if it's convenient for them and the stakes are worth it.

Hello Kate,

Sorry for late reply, been a bit busy. Thank you really much for taking time and effort to answer my questions so thoroughly. Your reply was very informative. I live in Europe, so i don't know how the possible court cases would be sued if there was a case.in US court. My personal common sense says that for corporations there would be not very much financial sense to sue a normal "private person" if he/she is not very famous/rich, after all not very many people nowadays dont have 50k to pay liabilities?!
In any case it would be really nice to find some way to do domaining tahat would be like 99 percent sure of avoiding legal issues, probably that is not possible. Anyways thank you really much and best success with your domaining !!!
 
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My advice is: Try and avoid trademarked domains as much as you can. Then worry less about UDRP
 
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If i register a new domain name and only keep it hosted/parked without any advertisments and i do not use it in any way i only own the domain name

my question would be....

why register a domain and do nothing with it?

imo...
 
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My advice is: Try and avoid trademarked domains as much as you can. Then worry less about UDRP
Thank you for your advice and good eastern !
 
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my question would be....

why register a domain and do nothing with it?

imo...

Hi Biggie,
My only purpose is to sell the new domain names i would register, but also at same time i want to be 99 percent sure there will not be any TM liabilities. I'm totally new to this business, i dont know for example that in real life can you sell blanc domain names without any adds or traffic provided the name is otherwise potential name as such.?

Happy easter to everybody!
 
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