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betthelot · Feb 9, 2016

As in all languages the frequency of letter use, especially Initials offers better opportunities to sell more often at higher prices.
Having studied Chinese/PinYin for 2 years, it was always apparent to me, some letters are used way more often than others.
I looked at the 1000 most used words and worked out the initial letter frequency.
This is my summary which correlates with my experience of having worked in China for 2 years. Ofcourse I will defer to any Chinese person who knows the nuances of the language but from the raw data I think its accurate and useful if investing in CHIPS. Also those letters which are considered both premium in English and Chinese must be where the smart money is.

Premium ZYXSJHDB
Semi Premium WQTNMLKGC
Non Premium RPFEA

Yes there is E and A Notably Ai is Love and Er is the number 2

Also explains why we see some outliners. RPF are not worth as much as ZYX

rokaska7 · Feb 13, 2016

Okay, as i Understand ygx84.com is not a lame name. or is it? Please, comment it.

artstar · Feb 13, 2016

tekz999 said:
Any Chips that beings with CN, followed by any chips that begins with BJ/SH, followed by any chips that begins with SZ/GZ sells higher and better.

Great to see !

I had regged:

Bjzgu.com

At least its close to chip but the u fits in to the guo and all that was available when I found it.

Zg maybe more premium since China is zhong guo.

betthelot · Feb 13, 2016

tekz999 said:
Any Chips that beings with CN, followed by any chips that begins with BJ/SH, followed by any chips that begins with SZ/GZ sells higher and better.

I understand CN BJ SH China Beijing Shanghai Is SZ ShenZhen and GZ GuangZhou. Makes a lot of sense as they are 4 of the 5 main commercial cities in China. The other being TianJin TJ. More relevant to 4L.coms: good point

betthelot · Feb 13, 2016

rokaska7 said:
Okay, as i Understand ygx84.com is not a lame name. or is it? Please, comment it.

The 4 at the end kills it 88 89 85 would have been so much better. Cant see any value in it but Im not Chinese so I could be missing something but on face value doesn't seem to have any worth.

STUART MALOFF · Feb 13, 2016

Coming from the top brokers dealing with China, W is at the top with X and Y. I have also heard that N is weaker than most consonants from a Chinese broker at Namescon.

betthelot · Feb 13, 2016

STUART MALOFF said:
Coming from the top brokers dealing with China, W is at the top with X and Y. I have also heard that N is weaker than most consonants from a Chinese broker at Namescon.

I have already moved W up as premium giving the comments here. Thanks for info

rokaska7 · Feb 13, 2016

betthelot said:
The 4 at the end kills it 88 89 85 would have been so much better. Cant see any value in it but Im not Chinese so I could be missing something but on face value doesn't seem to have any worth.

What I learned from readin pinyin threads is that 84 means - forever prosperous. And ygx makes it 'cloud based supplies and marketing".

betthelot · Feb 13, 2016

rokaska7 said:
What I learned from readin pinyin threads is that 84 means - forever prosperous. And ygx makes it 'cloud based supplies and marketing".

As you probably know its when you say a number it sounds similar to a word in Chinese. Now 8 sounds like Fa (wealth or fortune) and 4 sounds like Si (death). Actually 8 is Ba but people think it sounds like Fa. Now if you say BaSi 84 it means, wire drawing or candy floss. There is no FaSi. Im not Chinese but what I say here is the most common use for 8 and 4 in Chinese. Now YGX as an acronym will have many meanings and cloud based marketing could well be one of them.
Hope this helps, there is a good Chinese person on this forum Kassy Lee ask her.
https://www.namepros.com/members/kassey-lee.171654

artstar · Feb 13, 2016

betthelot said:
As you probably know its when you say a number it sounds similar to a word in Chinese. Now 8 sounds like Fa (wealth or fortune) and 4 sounds like Si (death). Actually 8 is Ba but people think it sounds like Fa. Now if you say BaSi 84 it means, wire drawing or candy floss. There is no FaSi. Im not Chinese but what I say here is the most common use for 8 and 4 in Chinese. Now YGX as an acronym will have many meanings and cloud based marketing could well be one of them.
Hope this helps, there is a good Chinese person on this forum Kassy Lee ask her.
https://www.namepros.com/members/kassey-lee.171654

Correct and that's why I have:

Ba88.co = 888

Great info keep it up!

ZapNano · Feb 13, 2016

premkumar said:
Great info. look like we domainers become experts in mandarin than average chinese

dordomai · Feb 13, 2016

tekz999 said:
Any Chips that beings with CN, followed by any chips that begins with BJ/SH, followed by any chips that begins with SZ/GZ sells higher and better.

How much higher?

theSun · Feb 13, 2016

dordomai said:
How much higher?

3~15x higher.

dordomai · Feb 13, 2016

thanks. I looked at sales on the reseller market and had the impression that (non-repetition)patterns still don't matter that much when it comes to chinese premium.

Had the impression that patterns are even less important in LLLL.net

but i agree with the opinions here and i think that patterns and quality will be more important in the future. At the moment reseller prices are still very mechanic and simplistic: Either it is premium or it is not, i find it hard to believe that this reflects real world value.

In my opinion for chinese premium LLLL.com the price should be determined by a floor price or letter popularity + additional value for what the domain can stand for.

N-A · Feb 13, 2016

tekz999 said:
Any Chips that beings with CN, followed by any chips that begins with BJ/SH, followed by any chips that begins with SZ/GZ sells higher and better.

How about those ending in CN? E.g. gxcn, where gx is a province code for Guangxi or gscn where gs is a province code for Gansu?

Josh R · Feb 13, 2016

What about the letter 'i" ?

Eckhart · Feb 13, 2016

rokaska7 said:
What I learned from readin pinyin threads is that 84 means - forever prosperous. And ygx makes it 'cloud based supplies and marketing".

The meaning "forever prosperous" could come more from Cantonese rather than Mandarin. As @betthelot was saying, 84 in Mandarin leads to meanings such as "wire drawing or candy floss". But in Cantonese 84 can be translated more like "so rich that you die" according to this video:

Above Domain · Feb 13, 2016

this couldn't be more true. props for the conversation start.

Landov · Feb 13, 2016

Why a LLLL with vowels and meaning is considered less valuable than a LLLL chip with no meaning?
Only some percent from the LLLL chips will turn to mean something.

I don't see LLLL chips losing their value as they carry potential sense, but isn't logical for the ones with verified meaning to worth more even if they contain vowels?

dordomai · Feb 13, 2016

Landov said:
Why a LLLL with vowels and meaning is considered less valuable than a LLLL chip with no meaning?
Only some percent from the LLLL chips will turn to mean something.

I don't see LLLL chips losing their value as they carry potential sense, but isn't logical for the ones with verified meaning to worth more even if they contain vowels?

Makes sense. there are many pinyin domains with vowels that sold for tons of money. So even for the Chinese vowels can't be that bad. Lian.com sold for over $200k on Dropcatch.

betthelot · Feb 13, 2016

David Walker said:
How about those ending in CN? E.g. gxcn, where gx is a province code for Guangxi or gscn where gs is a province code for Gansu?

They certainly will have more enduser demand. Its just the market now is driven by patterns and no V and vowels. But I believe that 4 letters are still low in price enough to have a broad base appeal to endusers. Interestingly the Chinese word for China is ZhongGuo but you never see it emblazoned on T-Shirts its always China or when written short hand its never ZG its always CN like the adoption of CN for the ccTLD. Its similar in Japan hardly ever Nippon NP, mostly Japan JP.

betthelot · Feb 13, 2016

Landov said:
Why a LLLL with vowels and meaning is considered less valuable than a LLLL chip with no meaning?
Only some percent from the LLLL chips will turn to mean something.

I don't see LLLL chips losing their value as they carry potential sense, but isn't logical for the ones with verified meaning to worth more even if they contain vowels?

Depends on the meaning. Here I have been talking about acronyms, chips in LLL.com and LLLL.com
You are right there will be some pinyin words in 3L and 4L that have a great meaning and a much greater value but I think those have been snapped up a long time ago by the Chinese.
We were at a disadvantage, in that we would have valued them as CHIPS or brandables not knowing the true value, so any offer over market price was much more likely to be snapped up, so the pool available on the Western wholesale market, is either nearly completely gone or gone. Demand for pinyin words existed way before CHIPS and very few exists with good meaning, maybe a 100 - 200 in the 450,000 available in 4L.com. Unlikely any will be accidentally uncovered now.

artstar · Feb 13, 2016

A bit more data on numerics.

168= prosperous or pathway to prosperity
1314= forever or always
510= I want you
666=easy, smooth life, obviously very lucky triple
3399= together for long time
58= I am prosperous, very wealthy
72 & 78= certainly easy, prosperous for sure
84= forever prosperous

artstar · Feb 13, 2016

A bit more data on numerics.

168= prosperous or pathway to prosperity
1314= forever or always
510= I want you
666=easy, smooth life, obviously very lucky triple
3399= together for long time
58= I am prosperous, very wealthy
72 & 78= certainly easy, prosperous for sure
84= forever prosperous

Haris · Feb 14, 2016

Every domainer selling Chinese domains must do research of what the domain might mean. If you won't research, you may sell a domain for less than the actual worth of the domain.

Add the meanings known through translating different combinations of the domain in English and also add Chinese letters in the domain description. The re-seller won't realize the actual worth of the domain unless you will explain the meaning of the domain.

I acquired a 5L.net CHIP for reg-fee at NP auction and after research I realized that the domain has awesome meanings, I then contacted the owner (happened to be Chinese) of the same domain in .com extension and he was asking for $5000+ (30000 RMB).

Landov · Feb 14, 2016

A thread about the meaning of letters and numbers in Chinese here.

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