Proof - Scam link allfordomains.com

allfordomains.com and softforces.com are in it together. does anyone have proof that emetrix.com is in on it as well.

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Allfordomains and softforces are most likely ran by the same people. Contact on allfordomains.com is [email protected]. About emetrix, they are a payment provider unless there's a huge conspiracy Maybe someone ought to contact them and convince them to look for softforces on google...

In 2001, allfordomains.com was registered to:
OBRAZTSOV,VLADIMIR
ansi-street
KALAMAZOO, MI 49019
US

Domain Name: ALLFORDOMAINS.COM

Administrative Contact:
OBRAZTSOV, VLADIMIR
OBRAZTSOV,VLADIMIR
ansi-street
KALAMAZOO, MI 49019
US
616 353 9586 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
Cooper, Thomas
Eleview Int.
P.O.Box 20164
Kalamazoo, MI 49019
US
616-3539585

The phone number is in Michigan, but 353 doesn't exist...
Eleview Int. refers to US company (found on reverse directory); they have a sister company in Russia.

In 2002, Whois changed to:
Nayandin, Oleg (ALLFORDOMAINS-DOM)
7426 Alban Station Blvd., Suite B-208
Springfield, VA 22150
US

Domain Name: ALLFORDOMAINS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Naynadin, Oleg (XJLPECUZTI)

7426 Alban Station Blvd., Suite B-208
Springfield, VA 22150
US
703-425-7405 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
Cooper, Thomas (VOK20)
Eleview Int.
P.O.Box 20164
Kalamazoo, MI 49019
US
616-3539585


In 2003, it changed again to:
Inc, Eleview International (ALLFORDOMAINS-DOM)
Eleview International Inc
7426 Alban Station Blvd., Suite B-208
Springfield, VA 22150
US

And since 2004, it's the actual whois:
Forces, Soft (ALLFORDOMAINS-DOM)
Soft Forces
7637 Alban Station Blvd.
Springfield, VA 22150
US
509-271-0875 fax: 509-271-0875


Notes:
- Whois history for softforces.com is quite similar to allfordomains.com
- I found some interesting links about Eleview International... I would not be surprised if this company was run by the mafia and their Russian mariage website is only for immigration from Russia to the US. No proof, otherwise I might be shot
- I do not think a company called Soft Forces exist, I asked them and responded that "my letter" was sent to their attorney... :D
- The phone number is a fax line.

I wondered about reporting this domain to Whois Data Problem Report System on http://wdprs.internic.net/; would that drop their domain?

I continued my search on their IP addresses, I found this:
www.softforces.com
- IP Address: 212.23.76.233
- Location: Russian Federation - Sverdlovskaya Oblast' - Ekaterinburg - Ip Shamparov D.g
- Reverse DNS: 233.shamparov.mplik.ru
(Also MX for softforces.com)

ns.softforces.com:
- IP address: 212.23.76.201
- Location: Russian Federation - Sverdlovskaya Oblast' - Ekaterinburg - Ip Shamparov D.g
- Reverse DNS: 201.shamparov.mplik.ru

ns1.softforces.com, ns3.allfordomains.com:
- IP address: 206.161.124.226
- Location: United States - Virginia - Reston - Beyond The Network America Inc
- Reverse DNS: 206-161-124-226.btnaccess.com

www.eleview.com, ns.eleview.com:
- IP address: 206.161.124.242
- Location: United States - Virginia - Reston - Beyond The Network America Inc
- Reverse DNS: 206-161-124-242.btnaccess.com
Note: Comment: Rwhois information on assignments from this block available from rwhois.cais.net 4321 (unfortunately, rwhois.cais.net doesn't work from my place)

www.allfordomains.com:
- IP address: 209.8.19.29
- Location: United States - Maryland - Silver Spring - Beyond The Network America Inc
- No reverse DNS lookup.
- MX entry points to this host.


ns5.allfordomains.com:
- IP address: 212.23.76.201
- Location: Russian Federation - Sverdlovskaya Oblast' - Ekaterinburg - Ip Shamparov D.g
- Reverse DNS: 201.shamparov.mplik.ru

Hope this helps anyone looking for informations about these guys :ghost:

I was conned by them last year when I didn't know any better. I wasted $150 on their domain listing service!

I still have the email receipt:

Dear Customer,

Our charge will appear on your bill as "EMetrix"

Or company is a division of SoftForces.com
(Please note EMetrix is only our transaction partner and they are not involved in our business activities).

If you have any billing or service questions feel free to contact us at [email protected] or by phone/fax 509-271-0875. We provide fast support via email.


Your domains have been listed in our online auction.

Domains listed: 10

Standard Domain Listing : $15.00 ea.
Order Total: $150.00

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Scam re: All for domains

I am new to this biz & new to chatting so bare with me. I got sucked into
the appraisal thing with Dr. Hansen. or Johansen who sent me to All for domains. It was my first experience in the biz so I bought the appraisal which was ridiculously high. I listed my names on their site and have never received 1 inquiry. Then I bought the Domain Names wanted service and responded to 75 ads and NEVER RECEIVED ONE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

At the risk of admitting I am a sucker, it is important that others know and Do Not Give them one dime of your money. I was billed by emitrix but cannot legally connect them to hansen/johansen. I would be happy to send you copies of my documentation from them if it will help get them out of the biz.

In the meantime I have what I think are quality names and need help figuring out what they are really worth, if they are saleable and how best to do it without All for domains. I am on Sedo, Afternic and Godaddy.

Anything I can do to help against these folks let me know.

Del singleton

A couple of more facts.

Andrew Gordon was my customer Service Rep from A4D.

I received a receipt for my listins which shows:

"Sold by:
Emetrix
447 N. 300 West Unit 2
Kaysville, Ut 84037

I know some folks who live in Kaysville, Utah if it would be helpful they could
do a drive by.

The order confirmation is from Emetrix.
The technical Support is from info@softforces

Del Singleton

I know some folks who live in Kaysville, Utah if it would be helpful they could do a drive by.

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Utah drive bys.

I can just imagine a film about this on IFC complete with domain dispute. I like it.

All For Domain Scam

Note:
some additional info. -

When I ordered the appraisal from Allfordomains, the reply was received from
Andrew Gorden at "[email protected]) His original title was Andrew Gordon, Customer support, at AllForDomains. The services were billed thru Emetrix. The confirmation says:
For product Technical Support contact [email protected] or
visit http://softforces.com

Like the others I received the "phony offer" from Robert Johansen Ph.D, CEO, Opera Engineering. ([email protected])In addition to recommending Allfordomains, he also recommend Domain Mart.com

My sister-in-law (who also owns a few names) was contacted by Paul Hansen Ph.D, CEO DIT Engineering ([email protected]). Fortunately
we recognized the format and she replied she was not interested in dealing with AllforDomains as they had a bad reputation. She never heard back from him.

If any of this can help someone nail him, we would appreciate it as he obviously has developed a pattern of fraudulent behavior. Since it always drives business back to AllForDomains, and they have not delivered one service, it would be good to stop these guys in their tracks. del singleton

read it

oleg nayandin or dmitri shamaprov. or eleview has nothing to do with allfordomains business.e from the same poeple. manager is Valdimri Obraztcov, he is in Moscow , Russia
email him he will answer all your questions.
[email protected]

yes these two domains ar t

drakewla said:

Allfordomains and softforces are most likely ran by the same people. Contact on allfordomains.com is [email protected]. About emetrix, they are a payment provider unless there's a huge conspiracy Maybe someone ought to contact them and convince them to look for softforces on google...

In 2001, allfordomains.com was registered to:
OBRAZTSOV,VLADIMIR
ansi-street
KALAMAZOO, MI 49019
US

Domain Name: ALLFORDOMAINS.COM

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swindled too

I received an offer of $15,000 from someone who asked me to have an appraisal from allfordomains.After the appraisal the person was quite.Can I also get my money back from their payment agents? below is a copy of the receipt.
From: "Domain Services" <[email protected]>
Subject: Appraisal Order ( Domain Services)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:03:40 +0300
Dear Customer,

Our charge will appear on your bill as "EMetrix"

If you have any billing or service questions feel free to contact us at [email protected] or by phone/fax 509-271-0875. We provide fast support via email.

Domains Appraised: 1

Manual Domain & Web Site Appraisal Service : $69.00 ea.
Order Total: $69.00

Appraisal Links

earthlocations.com - $46,000

You can add emails from *elsker.com to that list.

SOB

The latest:


On 2/27/07, Elsker <[email protected]> wrote:
Now I've got the results. My results ($25,000-$30,000) are close to the results from your
appraiser so I have to accept them. To be honest I expected a lower
estimation.

Anyway, I see from different independent sources including yours that your
name has a good potential and offer you the following:

I set the starting price based on our appraisals. Then I find a buyer and
pay you the appraised value - 15% and earn the difference. I wrote about
reselling in my first email.

15% discount of the appraised value is important for me to be sure in
profit.

I also don't claim exclusive rights to sell your domain. You can try to sell
your domains too.

I've already bought opt-in lists from
http://www.1-bulk-email-mailing-address-list.com site to promote your
domains.

I invested about $250 in these lists. Unfortunately, I cannot list your
names with brokers and auctions because I'm not the owner. You can list
your names with brokers. I think www.Amazon.com and www.eBay.com are
good sites to start with.

May I use your appraisal in my promotional emails?

Deal ?

P.S.
If you have other names for sale, I can try to find buyers for all of them.

My Reply

I have since gotten more appraisals, and the price stands.

The deal was that YOU would buy it. Not broker it, buy it. So here you go:
http://www.afternic.com/name.php?id=15440285

You want it, buy it. Not through paypal, not through escrow.com or anything else. Only through Afternic. Be aware, I have other inquiries on this name now, and quite frankly, you match this exactly:
http://www.domainappraisalscam.com/
Seeing that you seem to be doing the scam, the only way I will deal with you is through Afternic. The other buyers don't seem to have any problem with that, so you may want to act fast if you are legit. If you are, great, if not, I imagine you won't send me flowers.​

Awww, I hurt his feelings:



On 2/27/07, Elsker <[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you for abusing me.

I wrote about reselling in the first email.

At this time I've spent money on the opt-in list. My goal is to avoid additional risks. Please understand my position: You don't need to invest money in promotion so it will be fair to give me some time. After I find a client I'll buy your name myself. I hope our cooperation will make us good money. Thank you for understanding.

well it looks like hes at it again i was emailed this from this IP 212.23.76.233 on 08/05/07 from Jacob Connelly with the following

Hello,

Please send the lowest acceptable price for your virtual property (domain name).

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices. Our company has a large database of clients interested in good domains.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Jacob Connelly
CEO
FJS Solutions


Then i relplied telling him to make an offer and he replied with the following on 09/05/07


Can you accept 15,000 USD?

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so
web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificates for your domain names? As fas I know
it's a common practice to show appraisal of domain name (even without
traffic and web site) before doing business.

Without appraisal I risk to overpay. In other words I won't be able to make
a profit on reselling this name. It's very important for you and me to know
the current market value of your domains.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging an appraisal company with
REAL manual service. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate
auto-generated appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent
sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable
appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/397516.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or
wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


so i have adv i will be reporting him to his ISP dirty scamming ^&%*

Contact Emetrix for a refund or contact the Internet Crime Complaint Center

Hey guys, I too was pulled in by this scam, this time the guy approaching me called himself Abrahm Connelly CEO of FJO Solutions.

I contacted Emetrix with the following email:

Hello
I have just been made aware of a scam that is taking place on the internet regarding domain name apraisals

I was contacted by someone called Abram Connelly who claimed to be the CEO of a company called FJO Solutions- saying he was interested in my Domain name.

He asked for me to get an appraisal done for the value of my domain name, and directed me to a forum which claimed to have a list of reputable appraisers. I chose the company securenamesell for my appraisal which cost me $81.08. I also listed my name for sale with securenamesell which cost me a further $47 dollars.

I have know learnt in some online forum that this man Abram Connelly is a con artist who trades under several different names and who owns apraisal companies and cons people out of money by directing them to his companies. For further evidence of people who have fallen for this scam please see the following

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/189224-proof-scam-link-allfordomains-com.html

http://www.domainforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1258.html


http://www.domainforums.com/showthread.php?t=1258&page=2

This considered I am writing to formally request a refund from yourselves for the total amount spent of $128.08 as I was effectively tricked into participating into a fradulent transaction with securenamesell.

I assume that despite speculation on many forums your company is not aware of this scam and so my card will be refunded immediately. I hope this information is enough to resolve this matter to my satisfaction and I will not be forced to take the matter further.

Please contact me if you need any further information

Many thanks




They ignored it
So I wrote them again with the following:

Hello,

On the 5th May 2007 I sent the below email asking for a refund to my account after being made aware of an internet scam that has been taking place.

As my email has not been responded to I am intending to file an official complaint with The Internet Crime Complaint Center detailing them of your possible involvement in this scam and explaining how I have been defrauded out of a considerable amount of money. I will also encourage any user listed on the forum to do the same.

Naturally should this issue be resolved to my satisfaction immediately I will reconsider this decision, however if I do not hear form you in due course I will go ahead with my complaint.

Many thanks



To which they responded in less than 30mins with an email addressed to Securenamesell with my request for a refund. Ill et you know if I get my money back!

I suggest if you have been hit by this scam you contact emetrix who are supposed to be a reputable company and bascially ask for you money back.

If they dont respond tell them you will contact the ICCC and encourage others to do so (which we should perhaps do anyway as emetirx seems to know about this scam but yet does not cease to trade with the companies involved.)

Post on here how you get on

Cheers

Dj

Hi, just got an email today from FJS solutions offering to buy some of my domain names. Thanks to all of you who posted the warnings.
bb

I am one more victim of securenamesale.com

This is my story (On 6 May 2007, I've lost 404 $) and this is the email I sent to www.eMetrix.com
Now I'm waiting for their reply.

Hello eMetrix,

I denounce the securenamesale.com, It scam, deceived me, and I ask my money back.

I sell domain names. I received many emails from "Connelly"<[email protected]>.
He told me that he was interested to buy some domains from me. He was in a hurry and he wanted appraisals for the domain names he would buy and only from certain appraisers among them was www.securenamesale.com I think they work with, they do not make reliable appraisals and all other services they offer are deceitful in order to continue steal money from their victims.
Of course he didn't buy any domain.
A day after I found a link http://www.someuseless.info/?p=208 that explain their activities and they are known as scammers.
I searched in google and I found many victims (even six months ago!) and they write that reported securenamesale's activity to you (eMetrix).

24 hours after payment I asked from securenamesale.com do not charge me, but it refused.

I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU (eMetrix.com) CONTINUE TO COLABORATE WITH securenamesale.com SINCE YOU KNOW THEIR ACTIVITIES...?

It is not wise to connect your name with scammers...In google enter keywords (emetrix, securenamesale). See bellow:
http://www.google.gr/search?as_q=em...as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=

(I have all emails from the scammer and securenamesale.com if eMetrix, digitalriver, IC3 or anyone else ask them)

Nikolaos Karagiannis

eMetrix.com did not answer to my first email.
I sent them one more telling them:

I'm going to make a report to Internet Crime Complaint Center ( www.ic3.gov ) explaining them I have been victimized by a scammer "Connelly"<[email protected]>, www.securenamesale.com and I think www.emetrix.com maybe is involved in this scam.
I asked them, do not ignore me for a second time, it is not nice.
AND I AM WONDERING: WHAT GAME DO THEY (eMetrix.com) REALY PLAY? DO THEY HAVE SO MUCH POWER OR SIMPLY THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF WHAT THEY HAVE INVOLVED IN...?

Nikolaos Karagiannis

I sent my report to the Internet Crime Complaint Center.

Here is the answer of www.eMetrix.com :

«Hello Support,
We have received the complaint below from the customer. He is requesting a refund and we strongly suggest it be granted. Please read the email below and advise as quickly as possible.»

And here is the answer of www.securenamesale.com :

«Dear Nikolaos,
Feel free to send complaint to IC3. We are a reputable company and you will be responsible for false complaint. Our security department suspects that you are involved in charge back schemes (when customer uses a service and then send a complaint to get it for free). This is illegal and we will start our own investigation.»

So, I sent my complaint to the Internet Crime Complaint Center ( www.ic3.gov ) and I suggest every one to make the same.

Nikolaos Karagiannis

emails I received from the scamer

I publish the emails I received from the scamer "Connelly" <[email protected]> :

-------------------------------- 1st email ----------------------------------
Hello,

Please send the lowest acceptable price for your virtual property (domain name).

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not our business but a

new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices. Our

company has a large database of clients interested in good domains.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Abram Connelly
CEO
FJO Solutions

-------------------------------- 2nd email ----------------------------------

Can you accept 10,000 USD for the following domains:
HAPPENED.BIZ
REACHED.BIZ
SHOUTED.BIZ
SMILED.BIZ
CROWDED.BIZ


Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so
web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificates for your domain names? As fas I know
it's a common practice to show appraisal of domain name (even without
traffic and web site) before doing business.

Without appraisal I risk to overpay. In other words I won't be able to make
a profit on reselling this name. It's very important for you and me to know
the current market value of your domains.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging an appraisal company with
REAL manual service. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate
auto-generated appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent
sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable
appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/397516.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or
wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

-------------------------------- 3rd email ----------------------------------

Usually, people who are selling names or web sites, provide buyers with
appraisals. This is a common practice and I'm not going to change this rule
because it's the best way to protect an investment.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $60-$65 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They
are just collecting money using their well-known names.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

-------------------------------- 4th email ----------------------------------

Your result looks reasonable and I accept it.

I asked about other appraisers with good reputation and people recommended
DomainSystems.com, GreatDomains.com and DomainMart.com.

I paid for the second appraisal myself. Hope you understand me because it's
not wise to rely on opinion of one appraiser only.

Now I've got the results. My results ($13,000-$15,000) are close to the
results from your
appraiser. To be honest I expected a lower estimation. So I see from
different independent sources including yours that your name has a good
potential

I made a lot of research about how to sell/buy a domain and I founded an
ICANN rule that prohibits any
domain reselling before two months from registration. But I want o make
money on reselling within one month.

So I offer you the following:

I set the starting price based on our appraisals. Then I find a buyer and
arrange the transaction for 15%. I wrote about my reselling intentions in
first emails.

Moreover, also don't claim exclusive rights to sell your domain. You can try
to sell your domains too.

I've already bought opt-in lists from
http://www.1-bulk-email-mailing-address-list.com site to promote your
domains.

I invested about $250 in these lists. Unfortunately, I cannot list your
names with brokers and auctions because I'm not the owner. Listing on
different sites will increase exposure so we can find buyers fast. So I
think you should list your names with several brokers. I think
www.Amazon.com , www.SecureNameSale.com and www.eBay.com are good sites to
start with. If your list your names there please don't forget to send your
auction links.

May I use your appraisal in my promotional emails?

P.S.
If you have other names for sale we can work on reselling them. The more
names the higher chances to sell your domains.

-------------------------------- 5th email ----------------------------------

I cannot send this certificate to you, because you may use this appraisal to
promote your name or sell it to somebody else. I can only reveal the final
figure.

Will you work with me? You don't have to spend your money and time on
promotion. I will do this myself.

May I use your appraisals in promotional emails?

I would suggest that everyone reports these E-mails to the registrar so that hopefully they will pull the plug on the domain.