The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[wot]

As a matter of interest have there been any significant sales of .tel - not the I've had offers type- real ones :?

Thanks

 

[mactel]

How To: "Advertisements within .tel"

Thank you, Henry, for your endeavors to assist us.

I understand, that the Telnic website has a developer area, but that Telnic is relying on developers withing the .tel community to develope the stuff that is needend by the mainstream telster.

Quote: „...users, such as those building directories, or those wanting to manage ads, etc...“: Yes, that is me, as well.

I understand, what the aim and concept of Telnic is. But the TelProxy, is quasi something that is supposed to be „standard“, by looks and by functionality.

If there is quasi a standard method to place advertisements on the TelProxy, than any standard method would fit in, into a standartisised TelHosting control panel, and its TelProxy.

As standard + standard = standard.

What is a „TelHosting accreditation system“, Henry?

So, now, I understand, that people, who want to manage ads within their .tel, will have to:

How To: "Advertisements within .tel"

General Preparation

[B]1.)[/B] [COLOR="Red"][B]Download Telhosting_Client.php from the Telnic developer site.[/B][/COLOR]

[B]2.)[/B] [B]Use a PHP code to enter a TXT ad, according to the sample PHP code.[/B]

[B]3.)[/B] [B]Insert PHP code / advertisement TXT record in Telhosting_Client.php.?
     Insert username and password (for your client.wsdl file), as well as your domain name,
     within the adverstisement TXT record PHP code:[/B]

[B]4.)[/B] NOTE: THIS USES A LOCAL client.wsdl FILE AS EXPLAINED IN THE 
Telhosting_Client.php DOCS
$config = array();
$config['login'] = 'I[COLOR="Red"]NSERT_USERNAME_HERE[/COLOR]';
$config['password'] = '[COLOR="Red"]INSERT_PASSWORD_HERE[/COLOR]';
$config['wsdl'] = './client.wsdl';
$domain = '[COLOR="Red"]mydomain.tel[/COLOR]'

Follow the instructions in the Telhosting_Client.php script:
[COLOR="Red"]With PHP, you MUST download the client.wsdl file from your provider, modify it a little bit[/COLOR], and then things will go fine. This information is contained at the top o the Telhosting_Client.php script.:

* 1. Download the client WSDL from YOUR registrar, save it in the same directory as this file and [COLOR="Red"]name the downloaded file: client.wsdl[/COLOR]
*
* 1.5 Don't know where your registrar put the WSDL file? Open an command-line client on UNIX and write: dig _soap._nspapi.yourdomain.tel naptr where you replace yourdomain with your actual domain. Then take either the http or https url and append to it "?wsdl" (so it will end in "...client?wsdl")
* That's the url for your registrar's WSDL file.
*
* 2. [COLOR="Red"]Edit client.wsdl -- find the string: "http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/bindings/HTTP/" and replace it by: "http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/http".[/COLOR] If you don't do that, PHP will throw a fatal error: "SOAP-ERROR: Parsing WSDL: PHP-SOAP doesn't support transport 'http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/bindings/HTTP/'".


Henry: Why not make it that simple, at the first place?

You forgot the label:

<typ:text>Title of the ad</typ:text>
<typ:text>[COLOR="Red"]label[/COLOR]</typ:text>
<typ:text>uri</typ:text>


[U]Example:[/U]

[B]Domain:[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]stead.tel[/COLOR]

[B]Ad:[/B]

[COLOR="Red"][B]Plumber[/B]
24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers
10% Book Online Discount Today!
xwww.ReactFast.co.uk/Plumbers[/COLOR]

[B]Preparation:[/B]

IN TXT ".tad" "[COLOR="Red"]1[/COLOR]" "[COLOR="Red"]1[/COLOR]" "[COLOR="Red"]51[/COLOR]"
"Advert Title" "[COLOR="Red"]Plumber[/COLOR]"
"label" "[COLOR="Red"]www.ReactFast.co.uk/Plumbers[/COLOR]"
"uri" "[COLOR="Red"]http://www.reactfast.co.uk[/COLOR]" "uri" "[COLOR="Red"]=243423543&z=42342343[/COLOR]"
"desc" "[COLOR="Red"]24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers[/COLOR]" "desc" "[COLOR="Red"]10% Book Online Discount
Today ![/COLOR]"

[U]".tad":[/U]
Is the suffix for the text ad, within the ad record.

[U] 'owner' => '_ad':[/U]
An advertisment is a TXT record with the '.tad' prefix, placed in the '_ad sub-domain' of the current domain, such as '_ad.mybusiness.tel'.
To store a ad record in the '_ad' folder, set its owner within the syntax of the ad record correctly to owner="_ad". This way, you don't need to create a folder separately.

[U]Numbers:[/U]
 "1" stands for 'version, currently "1" ', the other "1" stands for "displayed at top of the page", and "51" acts as the sort order for each display set.

[U]Label: [/U]
Text string up to 255 bytes long. It is the anchor text of the below URI.

[U]URI:[/U] Points to the product of the ad.


[B]According to sample PHP code:[/B]

----------------

<?php
include('Telhosting_Client.php');
$ad = array(
    'text' => array('.tad', '[COLOR="Red"]1[/COLOR]',
                    '[COLOR="Red"]1[/COLOR]', '[COLOR="Red"]51[/COLOR]',
                    'Advert Title', '[COLOR="Red"]Plumbers[/COLOR]',
				 'label', '[COLOR="Red"]www.ReactFast.co.uk/Plumbers[/COLOR]',
                    'uri', '[COLOR="Red"]http://www.reactfast.co.uk[/COLOR]',
                    'uri', '[COLOR="Red"]=243423543&z=42342343[/COLOR]', 
                    'desc', "[COLOR="Red"]24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers[/COLOR]\nLine 2 of",
                    'desc', "[COLOR="Red"]10% Book Online Discount
Today ![/COLOR]"),
    'profiles' => '_all_',
    'owner' => '_ad'
);
// Config
// NOTE: THIS USES A LOCAL client.wsdl FILE AS EXPLAINED IN THE Telhosting_Client.php DOCS
$config = array();
$config['login'] = '[COLOR="Red"]INSERT_USERNAME_HERE[/COLOR]';
$config['password'] = '[COLOR="Red"]INSERT_PASSWORD_HERE[/COLOR]';
$config['wsdl'] = './client.wsdl';
$domain = '[COLOR="Red"]stead.tel[/COLOR]';

// Initialize our client
$client = new Telhosting_client($config);
// Insert some data
$client->store_record($domain, 'txt', $ad);
?> 
----------------

[B]Result:[/B]

[COLOR="Red"][B]Plumber[/B]
24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers
10% Book Online Discount Today!
xwww.ReactFast.co.uk/Plumbers[/COLOR]

Henry: Why not make it that simple, at the first place?

Why not give "average telster" this "How To", at the first place, when announcing, that Telnic enables advertisements within .tel?

Because that is all, what „average telster“ probably needs, if he does not necessarily want to wait for some developers out there, who are building specialized tools.

Since mid of October, Telnic has announced „Advertisements within .tel“, and made many mouths watery. Now we are towards end of September, and most people, who are wishing to set up a ad, where still not knowing, how to proceed. Not even developers, such as „GreenRover“, who developed „TEL-MACHINE“, as well as the „Jepaa“ search enngine.

(Same thing, happened with the „Contact Us“ page, where one is only able to have a such a page, either without a Google map (version with JavaScript), or with a Google map, but which is non-active, and which one can not use to navigate (PHP version).
The DNA version, ist still a „non go“, because people can't make the LOC records work for them.
First company, who set up a „Contact Us“ .tel page on their website, was „Cake in a box“, in Glasgow, Scotland (cakeinabox.co.uk/shop/pages/contactus.html).)
.

 

[MattheP]

* 2. Edit client.wsdl -- find the string: "http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/bindings/HTTP/" and replace it by: "http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/http". If you don't do that, PHP will throw a fatal error: "SOAP-ERROR: Parsing WSDL: PHP-SOAP doesn't support transport 'http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/bindings/HTTP/'".

OMG, so much work for something that can be done with html on other extension in 2 seconds

 

[mactel]

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Thanks, MattheP,

I am neither programmer, nor developer, and I do not have any programming knowledge, or programming skills.

I am a dot-tel-dummy, or a DTD, if you will.

But I tried to follow the instructions from Telnic.

Hopefully, I manage to set up a ad on my TelProxy, as a dummy, not as a developer.

Cheers, to all .tel dummies.

Shall we found the "Teldummies Club"?

DTDC (Dot-Tel-Dummies Club).

Dot-Tel-Developers Club, has the same shorthand logogram: DTDC: confusing similarities...
.
:tu:
.

 

[plaggypig]

mactel - If you want to create ads then try this little tool. Other people are working on all sorts of different things.. we'll see more stuff coming to fruition soon


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PR Newswire set to become .tel reseller and offer discounts on news releases quoting .tel names

Pretty cool huh?

 

[mactel]

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Thanks, Plaggypig,

This time, I took a closer look at mytel.me:

I looks brilliant. And I bet, it works fine. But I don't feel comfortable, right now, to give my
CTH User ID
CTH Password

It is better to have such a tool for your self.

Especially, if you have a few hundert, or more than thousand .tel domains.

However, it is a question of trust.

Why not build in a SSL securty system, where it dechiffres the password.

TEL-MACHINE, will offer a service, or tool, as well. Comming soon.

Thank you.
.

 

[siga]

Just to confirm Mactel this does work just tried it. While I agree security would be ideal and required for the future, I see it more as showcase as to what can be done and a taste of whats to come.

 

[bmugford]

And I keep hearing about how easy .TEL is to use.....

Brad

OMG, so much work for something that can be done with html on other extension in 2 seconds

 

[Steven]

OMG, so much work for something that can be done with html on other extension in 2 seconds

I know...

 

[kprobe]

OMG, so much work for something that can be done with html on other extension in 2 seconds

We really don't know why mactel went to all that effort to document the hardest possible way to insert ads when the tool was already in existence to insert and manage ads very easily. I recognize the need for security so respect his efforts but nobody else will do that and many people have already used and continue to use the tool in the few days of its existence. OpenID is coming soon and you'll be able to do all sorts of things with your tels without userid and password being supplied to this and other tools.
Mark

 

[steveteva]

Ok I've promote .tel to all my friends on facebook with something like: Do you know what is dot tel?.... I got myname.tel.... go to telnic.org to watch video and see benefits... After 3 days I've got none comments. Looks like nobody cares about .tel, it's really a deception for me, how can't they see great things they can do with .tel for personnal uses, also they are young, love to facebook so .tel is easy then set up a hosting, add contacts... don't get it!

 

[mactel]

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@sigma:
I personally don't look at it as a showcase. If Mark does a few improvements...
Well, I suggest, that Mark offers such a tool for every one to buy. And then I would be more interested.
Also, I suggest, that we donate to all the developers, like Mark Kolb, Mike, GreenRover, etc, whow are doing a lot of pioneer work for the community.

If I would rule the .tel world, I would have a certain policy/politic for supporting members and developers.

How do you keep a state, or a city, or a town viable? To keep .tel viable and alive, you got to pull a few important strings. You have to have a politic, that is good in the short term, as well as in the long term. If it is only layed out for the long term, that won't be enough.
That is why we got to throw in more money, now. And support, where we can. With money.

There are a few brains within the .tel community, but not enough: A lot of things and concepts don't work intelligent enough.

Getting less dependent from Microsoft/Windows, and winning a few Linux developers, would be a healthy way to proceed. Because, in the long term, a lot of users will want to convert to Linux.

Of course, there might be a conflict of interest Telnic/Microsoft. But I guess, that Microsoft will eventually think more liberatelly. Monopolists will have to give up their monoples. Surfing in the Internet, will get cheaper, as software gets cheaper, or quasi free.

Again, that is why support is so important, for independance, and to be able to move fast.

So, what might look like a showcase, at first sight, mitght be worth considering to develope to something, for the whole community.


@bmugfort:

.tel is easy to use, fot the basic handling.
There is a good tutorial at siteground.eu, which makes it a lot more fun, to learn how to use .tel.

No: we can't generally say, that .tel is easy to use. Because ambitions to improve my.tel, will get higher, in short time, and then one has to got to the developer area on the Telnic website, and that is sometimes a pain whereever.

And there: Self learning is quite difficult, because a lot of instructions, are pretty confusing, and some intructions are outdated, and there are newer insturctions, at the same time, and confusion, is preprogrammed, if you will. And simply, updated „How To“'s don't exist. That is the only reason, why it gets difficult at times. And it mustend not be, necessarily.

To simplyfie, as much as possible, would be good for .tel.

Why not empoly a programmer, whos only job it would be, to simplyfie all the instructions?...

@ steven:
So, why not show us, how, and then, let's do it.

@ kprobe:
Than show us a easier way: I would be happy to know about it...
Your quote:
„...when the tool was already in existence to insert and manage ads very easily.“:
You are speaking about the tool, that you devolped.
And I say again: The points are about independence, security and trust.
I do believe, that you are trust worthy: I might give it a go, with one of my .tel domains.
Quote:
„...but nobody else will do that...“: - How do you know?
Quote:
„...many people have already used and continue to use the tool in the few days of its existence.“:
Well, that is fantastic. Congratulations. I might join them, as well.
I say nothing negative, about your tool. I am just thinking, that not all people might want to be dependant on your tool, and give you theri user ID and password...
The more people, who know ID and password, the bigger the risk...( ISP, developer X, etc.).
And how many more?...
Quote:
„OpenID is coming soon and you'll be able to do all sorts of things with your tels without userid and password being supplied to this and other tools.“:
Ok: Well, then. I believe, that I will be your friend and (loyal) customer, then.
Nice, to have you in our community, and we all appreciate your good work.
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:tu:
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@ steveteva:
Quote:
"Ok I've promote .tel to all my friends on facebook with something like: Do you know what is dot tel?.... I got myname.tel.... go to telnic.org to watch video and see benefits... After 3 days I've got none comments. Looks like nobody cares about .tel, it's really a deception for me, how can't they see great things they can do with .tel for personnal uses, also they are young, love to facebook so .tel is easy then set up a hosting, add contacts... don't get it!"

Promotion, can work, or it can not work. It can even be a bit contra productive.
What is good, about your efforts, is your idea, and energy, you put in to it.
Things, don't always work at first go. You will have to experiment a bit. Delete slogans and comments, and replace them by something else, and then whait what happens, etc,, and then again, and again.
Instead of saying: "...go to telnic.org to watch video,..", you should display the video on your page. Here is the code for the "Love Train" video:

<embed src="http://blip.tv/play/AfqRRQI" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="390" width="480"></embed>

Anyway: one has to observe the activities over a longer period, than thry to make a conclusion, only after three days. After maybe two weeks, you might be able to make a statement..

Show nice banners, logos, icons, videos, etc. Make it look appetizing...

Keep the good work up.
.

 

[CDM]

As a matter of interest have there been any significant sales of .tel - not the I've had offers type- real ones :?

Thanks

depends what you take as significant. there have been no $xx,xxx sales that I know of but there have been at least 12 sales in the low $x,xxx range. you can search dnsaleprice, and dnjournal

 

[mactel]

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@ wot:

I would only sell, maximum 5% of your .tel protfolio.

Because dot tel domains are still undervalued.

Try to keep as many .tel domains, as long as possible, pay renewal fees.

The big money, is not with .tel: it is with .com, .net, .me, co.uk, etc.

There will be auctions at: TRAFFIC, interNext, DOMAINfest, Moniker, GoDaddy, Rick Latona, (Sedo), etc.
Even Sitepoint sells Domains, I think within their good forum.

I wouldn't sell a good .tel domain name under 2000 Euros.
They will gain 2000 Euros in value, each year of the follwing three years, and be around at least, 6000 Euros, in three years.
So it is worth waiting.

Cheers.

 

[JagG]

Sale so far ......

SeitenSprung.tel Jul 9 09 1,500
Maxi.tel Jul 9 09 99
Storage.tel Jul 9 09 3,950
Detective.tel

Jul 9 09 80
Edelstein.tel Jun 9 09 400
Wiseman.tel Jun 9 09 200
Cop.tel Jun 9 09 175
RentaBike.tel Jun 9 09 300
Vladislav.tel Jun 9 09 700
Exit.tel Jun 9 09 250
Sabine.tel Jun 9 09 75
Reichelt.tel Jun 9 09 200
BCF.tel Jun 9 09 350
Ewert.tel May 9 09 100
SXX.tel May 9 09 70
Visit.tel May 9 09 1,000
GolfHotels.tel May 9 09 165
WebDesigner.tel May 9 09 500
RENZ.tel May 9 09 350
Asian.tel Apr 9 09 750
Maderas.tel Apr 9 09 100
Ohio.tel Apr 9 09 1,000
SabaDell.tel Apr 9 09 200
KARI.tel Apr 9 09 300
Tarragona.tel Apr 9 09 1,161
EscortDirectory.tel Apr 9 09 240
Leverkusen.tel Apr 9 09 100
CarShop.tel Apr 9 09 70
Impresoras.tel Apr 9 09 60
Pornos.tel Apr 9 09 320
Hire.tel Apr 9 09 3,000
PhoneShop.tel Apr 9 09 110

 

[wot]

Sale so far ......

SeitenSprung.tel Jul 9 09 1,500
Maxi.tel Jul 9 09 99
Storage.tel Jul 9 09 3,950
Detective.tel

Jul 9 09 80
Edelstein.tel Jun 9 09 400
Wiseman.tel Jun 9 09 200
Cop.tel Jun 9 09 175
RentaBike.tel Jun 9 09 300
Vladislav.tel Jun 9 09 700
Exit.tel Jun 9 09 250
Sabine.tel Jun 9 09 75
Reichelt.tel Jun 9 09 200
BCF.tel Jun 9 09 350
Ewert.tel May 9 09 100
SXX.tel May 9 09 70
Visit.tel May 9 09 1,000
GolfHotels.tel May 9 09 165
WebDesigner.tel May 9 09 500
RENZ.tel May 9 09 350
Asian.tel Apr 9 09 750
Maderas.tel Apr 9 09 100
Ohio.tel Apr 9 09 1,000
SabaDell.tel Apr 9 09 200
KARI.tel Apr 9 09 300
Tarragona.tel Apr 9 09 1,161
EscortDirectory.tel Apr 9 09 240
Leverkusen.tel Apr 9 09 100
CarShop.tel Apr 9 09 70
Impresoras.tel Apr 9 09 60
Pornos.tel Apr 9 09 320
Hire.tel Apr 9 09 3,000
PhoneShop.tel Apr 9 09 110

Thanks for the info, I have a few country .tel and some other quite good ones. Just wanted to see if there was a market developing. A long way to go looking at the meagre sales figures.

 

[MicroGuy]

I wouldn't sell a good .tel domain name under 2000 Euros. They will gain 2000 Euros in value, each year of the follwing three years, and be around at least, 6000 Euros, in three years.
So it is worth waiting.

() Seems a tad optimistic. Lol

 

[wot]

() Seems a tad optimistic. Lol

Tad plus methinks. :wave:

 

[DubDubDubDot]

I wouldn't sell a good .tel domain name under 2000 Euros.
They will gain 2000 Euros in value, each year of the follwing three years, and be around at least, 6000 Euros, in three years.
So it is worth waiting.

Congrats! Out of 5,858 posts, you win the award!

 

[JagG]

Understanding results for a .tel

Understanding results for a .tel

In the video it shows traffic stats and how to read them Project.tel

Any good or bad feed-back is cool

 

[Kate]

.
I wouldn't sell a good .tel domain name under 2000 Euros.
They will gain 2000 Euros in value, each year of the follwing three years, and be around at least, 6000 Euros, in three years.
So it is worth waiting.

You should have registered nostradamus.tel :D

 

[mactel]

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nostradamus.tel is a nice name. Does it have any meaning?

If we look at sabine.tel, which whent for only 75 Euros or Dollars, and which is a steal, I say:

Sabine.tel:

Present value: 75 Euros
Hidden value:2800 Euros

Esteamed Value: 2875 Euros.

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EscortDirectory.tel:

Present value: 240
Hidden Value: 4600

Esteamed value: 4840
.
P.S.:
The best way, to promote .tel, is to work together with Laura Haddock.

Whenever you promote .tel through Laura Haddock, it will be a 300% success. Guaranteed.

What would be good for .tel, is the following with Laura Haddock:

- Videos
- Photos
- Advertisments in the print medias

You will never, ever go wrong with Laura Haddock. At least not in the UK.

So this is where I would focus, and put in all the energy for promoting .tel.

Just go and try it out: People in the UK are most responsive to .tel, when .tel is in relation to the model Laura Haddock.

When people will speak of Laura Haddock, the will often mention .tel.

When people will mention .tel, the will often mention Laura Haddock.
.

 

[kukgle]

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nostradamus.tel is a nice name. Does it have any meaning?

If we look at sabine.tel, which whent for only 75 Euros or Dollars, and which is a steal, I say:

Sabine.tel:

Present value: 75 Euros
Hidden value:2800 Euros

Esteamed Value: 2875 Euros.

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EscortDirectory.tel:

Present value: 240
Hidden Value: 4600

Esteamed value: 4840
.

Towns.tel:

Present value: 400 Euros
Hidden value: 5800 Euros

Esteamed Value: 6200 Euros.

If you want, I'll give you at present value :great:

 

[Kate]

And how are you making up these appraisals ?

 

[onspec]

The .Tel Applications Store is now open

*

The .Tel Applications Store ...

> Tel Apps Store ...

> Tel Apps ...

> Tapps!

I’m pleased to announce the launch of Tapps.tel … the first applications store dedicated to exclusively .Tel applications and resources. tapps.tel

As of today - the apps listed on the site have all been created by our crack in-house brain trust (Freaky and Mark). Many Telsters are already using these tools to manage and improve their Tel sites. (If you’re not using them, why not?)

This initiative will continue to evolve as more tools and applications are developed.

Some of the cool Tapps allow you to:

* See what .Tel domains were registered the previous day

* See what .Tel domains are currently active

* Make quick updates to your .Tel – including the ability to insert and manage advertisements! (we’re talkin’ money here guys and dolls)

* Quickly and easily view your .Tel stats

I’m also pleased to announce that we will shortly be opening up this program to all of you in the developer community. Soon, you’ll be able to submit your app for consideration to be listed on Tapps and offered to the worldwide market. Stay tuned!

Cheers,