Rick Schwartz Is Mad As Hell And He's Not Going To Take It Anymore

Duke · 09-01-2008, 02:56 PM

Rick Schwartz is on the warpath. In an exclusive interview for DN Journal's monthly newsletter previewing the Sept. 23-26 T.R.A.F.F.I.C. conference in New York, Schwartz laid into cyber squatters, PPC companies, registrars and even "show fatigue". Find out why he has taken off the gloves.

http://www.dnjournal.com/newsletters/2008/august.htm

whitebark · 09-01-2008, 03:39 PM

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The value of domains has little if anything to do with earnings.

Give that man a prize! I like many newbies to the industry was sucked into that vortex when first starting out but quickly realized what a bunch of hooey it really is. Earnings are but one factor in domain's true value.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/509779-rick-schwartz-mad-hell-hes-not.html

Good read and thanks for making it available Duke.

DnPresident · 09-01-2008, 03:54 PM

Another good article on DNJournal.

Rick says "There is going to be a new solution come to domainers that will knock PPC out of the box unless things change"

Why wait? if there's truly a solution that offers better results wouldn't you want to offer it? Huge $$$$$$$$$$ for anyone with a better solution.

PPC still offers great revenue opportunity in various ways for domainers.

Another opportunity for domainers is having your own parking company with a First-tier primary feed from google or yahoo. Getting that is the ultimate for me........

Dave C.

cityforums.com · 09-01-2008, 04:15 PM

Excellent interview thanks Ron.

**gemstar** · 09-01-2008, 09:09 PM

Is it possible that the top domainers out there are worried that if Google stops traffic to their sites it will make their domains worthless and stop their cash cow from making them money?

***SpareDomains*** · 09-01-2008, 09:31 PM

step #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

duceman · 09-02-2008, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by SpareDomains

step #1

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=509779
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

I forgot just how good that scene was.

**gemstar** · 09-02-2008, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by SpareDomains

step #1
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=509779

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

Or this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyUEeWiRpTQ

labrocca · 09-02-2008, 09:35 AM

My first blog post at my new vbum.com site.

http://www.vbum.com/
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=509779

Let's get serious about this discussion. I read the article Duke and it's GREAT. It highlights perfectly the problems of "domaining" and that is development. Not ONE word about development from Schwartz. Here is a guy that's top 10 in our industry. A leader and a showman. Yet in his big speech makes no mention of adding VALUE to domains. As long as guys like that continue to simply park or sell I believe domaining will have a bad reputation.

He mentions a lot about PPC but in reality he is talking about parking. Google won't kill PPC for sites....but they can easily strangle parking companies. The internet wasn't built nor has perpetuated based on landing pages to actual legit content sites. Parking companies are just unnecessary middle men that provide a minimal service. They are the pizza delivery boys of the industry. They should NOT be paid well for their low positions on the ladder of the internet.

While I fully believe domains inherently intrinsic value I do not believe that value should be related to parking PPC. It should be directly related to development potential. Natural traffic is excellent and usable but it's goal should be content.

chrisgoh1 · 09-02-2008, 12:44 PM

Good post by DJ....

Well researched.

DnPresident · 09-02-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

My first blog post at my new vbum.com site.

http://www.vbum.com/
Not ONE word about development from Schwartz. Yet in his big speech makes no mention of adding VALUE to domains. As long as guys like that continue to simply park or sell I believe domaining will have a bad reputation.

I have to disagree that parking gives the domain industry a bad rep. Some like it and some do not. It can actually give value to domains by simply showing the revenue history.

Originally Posted by labrocca

My first blog post at my new vbum.com site.

http://www.vbum.com/
He mentions a lot about PPC but in reality he is talking about parking.

That's how I took it as well..

Originally Posted by labrocca

My first blog post at my new vbum.com site.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=509779
http://www.vbum.com/
The internet wasn't built nor has perpetuated based on landing pages to actual legit content sites.

To me A lander with links to the advertiser is no worst than a site like Shopping.com, Shopzilla.com or even insurance.com.... insurance.com and many others is not much different than a parking company they just have links to other companies.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=509779

Originally Posted by labrocca

My first blog post at my new vbum.com site.

http://www.vbum.com/
Parking companies are just unnecessary middle men that provide a minimal service.

Well ya know if the advertisers are uncomfortable with the quality of traffic their receiving from a parked lander they can choose not to advertise on that domain name.

Dave C

labrocca · 09-02-2008, 03:52 PM

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To me A lander with links to the advertiser is no worst than a site like Shopping.com, Shopzilla.com or even insurance.com.... insurance.com and many others is not much different than a parking company they just have links to other companies.

If that's how you feel then add Google to the list as well. Sorry but I have to 100% disagree with you that sites like Shopzilla are the same as parked pages. I can choose to not use shopzilla. Most are unaware that they are on a parked page and are tricked into giving someone else revenue via link. People aren't tricked at Shopzilla. It's clear that links to products are at other sites. It's not clear at all what parking pages do.

DnPresident · 09-02-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I can choose to not use shopzilla. Most are unaware that they are on a parked page and are tricked into giving someone else revenue via link. People aren't tricked at Shopzilla. It's clear that links to products are at other sites. It's not clear at all what parking pages do.

1. I can choose not to use a parked page
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=509779

2. It's not the shoppers biz how much I get paid and I'm sure shopzilla, shopping and insurance.com don't display what they get per click either.

3. They are in no way being tricked

4. It is clear what parking pages do.....Advertisers like Dell run an ad and display their url clearly.

HeyNow · 09-02-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Duke

Rick Schwartz is on the warpath. In an exclusive interview for DN Journal's monthly newsletter previewing the Sept. 23-26 T.R.A.F.F.I.C. conference in New York, Schwartz laid into cyber squatters, PPC companies, registrars and even "show fatigue". Find out why he has taken off the gloves.

http://www.dnjournal.com/newsletters/2008/august.htm

He's probably not making as much money as he once did. Why else would he give a crap about domainers with questionable character ... take a look a www.jerkoff.mobi and then tell me he's a creative, innovative domainer. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with making a few bucks hyping buttplugs and trannys, but then don't pass judgement on the ethics of domainers and domain-related companies who are also legally profiteering.

Wah wah wah, my revenue stream is drying up! I'll have to get off my fat ass and get a real job, maybe. They've stopped coming to 12 domainer conventions each year ... duh!

Talk about someone who's been giving domainers a bad name ...

Chef Patrick · 09-02-2008, 07:22 PM

Ron, I am a big fan. You continue to put out top quality news every week. WOW!!!

chrisgoh1 · 09-02-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by DomainSubway

Ron, I am a big fan. You continue to put out top quality news every week. WOW!!!

I follow your articles very closely.

Thanks Ron!!

Seabass · 09-04-2008, 02:07 PM

It seemed to me that Rick said a lot but said nothing really.

He really did not say what he was going to do about it. Raise hell? But what does that mean? If he'll get something orgainized, then I am all for it. How come we don't hear the DNOA or anybody else saying anything about this? It just seems as domainers we are really ineffective at getting anything done in our industry.

Really, we just need all legit domainers to begin giving registrars, other domainers, auction houses, etc...... a hard time about involving themselves with TM domains..... and we have to be serious about it.

labrocca · 09-04-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

How come we don't hear the DNOA or anybody else saying anything about this?

I suspect that behind closed doors lots of people are making money in ways they won't admit in the open.

chrisgoh1 · 09-05-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I suspect that behind closed doors lots of people are making money in ways they won't admit in the open.

ditto

Seabass · 09-05-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I suspect that behind closed doors lots of people are making money in ways they won't admit in the open.

Makes sense.

I hope that is not true of most of the members. If so, then God help us all if we don't get out of parking and more into development before the big G Hammer comes down.

micahkiel · 09-05-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I suspect that behind closed doors lots of people are making money in ways they won't admit in the open.

I agree. Why share the info when you can keep 100% to yourself?

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DnPresident Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: At home Posts: 2,024	Another good article on DNJournal. Rick says "There is going to be a new solution come to domainers that will knock PPC out of the box unless things change" Why wait? if there's truly a solution that offers better results wouldn't you want to offer it? Huge $$$$$$$$$$ for anyone with a better solution. PPC still offers great revenue opportunity in various ways for domainers. Another opportunity for domainers is having your own parking company with a First-tier primary feed from google or yahoo. Getting that is the ultimate for me........ Dave C. __________________ interesting facts Last edited by DnPresident; 09-01-2008 at 04:08 PM.

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labrocca NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268 Follow @supportforums	My first blog post at my new vbum.com site. http://www.vbum.com/ ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=509779 Let's get serious about this discussion. I read the article Duke and it's GREAT. It highlights perfectly the problems of "domaining" and that is development. Not ONE word about development from Schwartz. Here is a guy that's top 10 in our industry. A leader and a showman. Yet in his big speech makes no mention of adding VALUE to domains. As long as guys like that continue to simply park or sell I believe domaining will have a bad reputation. He mentions a lot about PPC but in reality he is talking about parking. Google won't kill PPC for sites....but they can easily strangle parking companies. The internet wasn't built nor has perpetuated based on landing pages to actual legit content sites. Parking companies are just unnecessary middle men that provide a minimal service. They are the pizza delivery boys of the industry. They should NOT be paid well for their low positions on the ladder of the internet. While I fully believe domains inherently intrinsic value I do not believe that value should be related to parking PPC. It should be directly related to development potential. Natural traffic is excellent and usable but it's goal should be content. __________________ :$: Support Forum <-- My latest endeavor.:loveyou: Debate Forums Free Online Sudoku My vBum Blog

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gemstar Born again domainer ;P Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,736 Follow @Iufodotcom	Is it possible that the top domainers out there are worried that if Google stops traffic to their sites it will make their domains worthless and stop their cash cow from making them money?

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*SpareDomains* Business Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,462	step #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

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Seabass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,259	It seemed to me that Rick said a lot but said nothing really. He really did not say what he was going to do about it. Raise hell? But what does that mean? If he'll get something orgainized, then I am all for it. How come we don't hear the DNOA or anybody else saying anything about this? It just seems as domainers we are really ineffective at getting anything done in our industry. Really, we just need all legit domainers to begin giving registrars, other domainers, auction houses, etc...... a hard time about involving themselves with TM domains..... and we have to be serious about it.

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