Never Sell A Domain Name On Ebay!

wibrodomains · 11-04-2007, 03:31 PM

MY PROBLEM--SOLD A DOMAIN NAME PR3.NET ON EBAY.COM
THE DOMAIN SOLD FOR $255.00 ---BUYER PAID FOR IT AND THEY I TRANSFERRED IT---WHEN I TRANSFERRED IT THE PERSON LIVED IN THE US---2 HOURS LATER I LOOKED UP THE WHOIS AND HE NOW LIVES IN ROMAINA.WELL EBAY CANCELLED THE AUCTION AFTER HE PAID FOR IT.THEN 12 HOURS LATER PAYPAL CHARGEBACK CAME IN.SO I AM HOPING GODADY CAN GET THAT DOMAIN BACK FOR ME---

CROOKED GUYS INFO THAT STOLED PR3.NET

Technical Contact:
Dorobantu Marian admin@romaniapenet.com
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Spade · 11-04-2007, 03:44 PM

Ouch. Although I sympathize with your problem. I believe the problem is more with Paypal, and not Ebay itself. Using an escrow service would prevent this problem from occurring, but unfortunately you find yourself in a rotten spot. I hope you update this thread with how the situation is handled by Godaddy and the best possibly course of action. However, the warning should be directed against Paypal - not ebay.

Justin

wibrodomains · 11-04-2007, 03:46 PM

Well ebay never cancelled his other auctions he was bidding on after he ripped me off---I emailed each one and told them to cancel his bids--5 people lost domain with that guy.

IAmAllanShore · 11-04-2007, 04:18 PM

Not to get hyper-technical, but eBay is PayPal; or perhaps it is more accurate to say that PayPal is eBay? Either way, they present a unified front of "safety" for buyers and sellers when in truth very few other quasi-banking institutions have done more to undermine consumer confidence (Perhaps Western Union?).
I understand that selling on eBay and not using PayPal makes good financial sense, as well as being more secure, so long as they bundle themselves as "made for each other" I can't help but blame the butcher for selling me tainted meat, and not the steer it came from.
-Allan (Loving the bad analogies

)

Originally Posted by Spade

Ouch. Although I sympathize with your problem. I believe the problem is more with Paypal, and not Ebay itself. Using an escrow service would prevent this problem from occurring, but unfortunately you find yourself in a rotten spot. I hope you update this thread with how the situation is handled by Godaddy and the best possibly course of action. However, the warning should be directed against Paypal - not ebay.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/392137-never-sell-a-domain-name-ebay.html

Justin

Alex · 11-04-2007, 04:23 PM

If you want me to give a call to the guy, or to email him in Romanian just PM me.

Edit: It is 1:25 AM here in Romania, and if you want me to give the guy a call now, then I will be pleased to do that. Just PM me very quickly otherwise I go to sleep soon.

Spade · 11-04-2007, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by IAmAllanShore

Not to get hyper-technical, but eBay is PayPal; or perhaps it is more accurate to say that PayPal is eBay? Either way, they present a unified front of "safety" for buyers and sellers when in truth very few other quasi-banking institutions have done more to undermine consumer confidence (Perhaps Western Union?).
I understand that selling on eBay and not using PayPal makes good financial sense, as well as being more secure, so long as they bundle themselves as "made for each other" I can't help but blame the butcher for selling me tainted meat, and not the steer it came from.
-Allan (Loving the bad analogies

)

Yes, same company - however the primary problem in this case spawned from Paypal, not ebay. Had escrow been used in conjunction with ebay - no problem would exist.

evilopinions · 11-04-2007, 04:45 PM

paypal made a chargeback of 310 $ for a mobile phone I sent 1 month ago...The problem is that paypal allows only one complain...So if the buyer files a claim before you , you have no chance of getting the money back...Unless you withdraw to your bank account as soon as you get it.....my account shows a negative 310 $

wibrodomains · 11-04-2007, 04:48 PM

Well i had a bad feeling so i wired it to my bank---Paypal stopped that --

sashas · 11-04-2007, 06:44 PM

I've never sold anything on eBay...I personally wouldn't but any name above $100 from a seller who doesn't accept Escrow.
My ebay rating is bad anyways...2 or 3 I guess. Bought a couple of items off them, wasn't very satisfied with any.

No eBay for me...I prefer Craigslist (unfortunately, can't sell domains there)...I at least get to see the goods

c2o2b · 11-04-2007, 07:14 PM

My brother and I have been selling inherited antique and other collectables on Ebay for over a year now. We have sold over 60 items, many in the $1,000 range, and have never had a problem with chargebacks or scams. These are antique and not domain names so it might be a bit different. I've never sold a domain name on ebay before but I was thinking about it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

I think scams are everywhere and you just need to protect yourself better, but It does suck that to protect yourself you have to pay for an escrow service. It should be some sort of free service provided by ebay to protect there sellers..

God knows they make enough off fees and other charges. I've paid both Feebay and PayPal quite a bit in sellers fees myself.

mhdoc · 11-04-2007, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by c2o2b

These are antique and not domain names so it might be a bit different. (

Very much so. The different categories have very different "personalities".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

Originally Posted by troopscott

if you make them pay specifing "services" vs goods paypal wont allow them to chargeback on you

I didn't know that. Thanks

wibrodomains · 11-04-2007, 09:08 PM

new name change

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Yofie · 11-04-2007, 09:18 PM

This same Bastard got me as well............ 7RC.net, so I sent an email to my rep at Moniker to try and get the domain back.

eBay did piss me off without ending the bid of the Fraudster, before the auction happens as I have been contacted by several others that have had the same thing happen.

Basically, he hacked into a real ebay users account (burkethouse) and then used that same persons paypal account. Then once the domain arrived via a push, he did a chargeback.

This can happen really with any transaction done with paypal, so if you are accepting payment via paypal, you better trust the person sending the money.

I think this just shows..... With how large the domain industry is getting, there needs to be a better way to make and recieve payment. The sellers are in great risk, and Escrow service does not always make sense due to the fees that are involved.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

Right now, the only payments that I can think of are:

Paypal (not safe due to chargebacks)
Credit Cards (if you have a CC Machine, but again Chargebacks)
Personal Checks/Business Check ( Timely, but safer if you let them clear)
Money Order (Timely again, but much safer)
Bank-Wire ( Can be timely, but comes to the trust thing again. The buyer is Trusting the seller to transfer the domain after the wire)
Escrow (high fees, plus they are getting payment via CC or Paypal or wire, which could get charge backs with 2 of the payment forms?) Not sure how they deal with that.

sashas · 11-04-2007, 09:25 PM

For a seller, the best form of payment is obviously a bank-wire. Money right into the bank, low fees (I think its usually $20), usually instant.
But as Yofie mentioned, the buyer has to trust the seller.

I've sold/bought names only at the forums, and even here, I insist on Escrow for amounts larger than $500 when the buyer is new. The names I've bought by contacting the owners were all bought using Escrow (even though the owners had no clue what it was and were willing to use paypal for xxxx amounts).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

I think some of the bigger domainers should do something about it...start some service that conducts only domain sales and ensures payment as well as transfers.

Otherwise, you just have to rely on your guts..

italiandragon · 11-04-2007, 09:38 PM

Unfortunately this problem has been there for a while and PayPal is not doing anything about it.

The real issue is that for "non tangible items" PayPal protects the buyer and never the seller.

When someone sells a name and the buyer says " I did not get it" , PayPal will always refund the money to the buyer and the seller is scammed.

This is also because in the past some sellers did not really give any domain to the buyer so unfortunately it is extremely hard to make everyone happy.

I have sold and bought many domains and so far I had no issues but I `m well aware that I can have my bad experience anytime.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

My best advices are:

1) check very carefully the seller/buyer feedback and look in the past of his feedback to see if it`s just "created" appositely to sell and scam. Many scammers will have had gained quick feedback by selling or buying 1 cent - items or even worse they are new with no feedback.

2) check the who is on all of his names to see "mismatchs"

3) consider different way of payments if yuo don`t want to take the risk but remember that PayPal will not listen.

4) for purchase or sales above your risk limit, just force the transaction to be handled by Escrow. If the other person refuse because of the fees, then offer to pay all the fees. If you still get a refuse , then you have met a scammer.

Spade · 11-04-2007, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

When someone sells a name and the buyer says " I did not get it" , PayPal will always refund the money to the buyer and the seller is scammed.

Im not sure this statement is accurate. I was under the impression Paypal offers no protection for buyers who are buying "Electronic Goods" - (Domains, Websites, Codes, ect).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

I believe the only time paypal will pull money out of an account is when a Buyer uses credit card through paypal - because the buyer did a chargeback through the credit card company. I believe if the funds are in the account - Paypal wont touch them. Please correct me if im wrong.

italiandragon · 11-04-2007, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Spade

Im not sure this statement is accurate. I was under the impression Paypal offers no protection for buyers who are buying "Electronic Goods" - (Domains, Websites, Codes, ect).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

I believe the only time paypal will pull money out of an account is when a Buyer uses credit card through paypal - because the buyer did a chargeback through the credit card company. I believe if the funds are in the account - Paypal wont touch them. Please correct me if im wrong.

Well, I have read right here too of stories like what I wrote.

But since I never had bad experiences I can`t guarantee it 100 %.

One thing for sure is that when back in August this year , I had moved about $300 from one account to another (I had 2 of them) PayPal frooze both my accounts till I proved everything and then I asked many questions and one of their answers was exactly "PayPal does not offer protection for NON-tangible items)

I`ll look into this as soon as possible.

cache · 11-04-2007, 11:40 PM

is chargeback as result of credit card payment? If you request paypal cash balance payment instead of paypal credit card payment, can you avoid this kind of problem?

goodkarmaco · 11-05-2007, 12:01 AM

Sorry for your loss and thanks for the heads up

Bigvenue · 11-05-2007, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by evilopinions

paypal made a chargeback of 310 $ for a mobile phone I sent 1 month ago...The problem is that paypal allows only one complain...So if the buyer files a claim before you , you have no chance of getting the money back...Unless you withdraw to your bank account as soon as you get it.....my account shows a negative 310 $

Sorry guys,it happened to me also,I had to send all the receipts to paypal for verification,a week later they deposited the money back to my account.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137

Originally Posted by wibrodomains

MY PROBLEM--SOLD A DOMAIN NAME PR3.NET ON EBAY.COM
THE DOMAIN SOLD FOR $255.00 ---BUYER PAID FOR IT AND THEY I TRANSFERRED IT---WHEN I TRANSFERRED IT THE PERSON LIVED IN THE US---2 HOURS LATER I LOOKED UP THE WHOIS AND HE NOW LIVES IN ROMAINA.WELL EBAY CANCELLED THE AUCTION AFTER HE PAID FOR IT.THEN 12 HOURS LATER PAYPAL CHARGEBACK CAME IN.SO I AM HOPING GODADY CAN GET THAT DOMAIN BACK FOR ME---

CROOKED GUYS INFO THAT STOLED PR3.NET

Technical Contact:
Dorobantu Marian admin@romaniapenet.com
bd tomis nr 68
Constanta, 8700
Romania
721328329

I would advise you to send all the documentations about the transaction ebay to paypal including the transfer emails.

htmlindex · 11-05-2007, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

The real issue is that for "non tangible items" PayPal protects the buyer and never the seller.

That's not true. There was one month that Godaddy didn't provide me hosting, they charged me, I filed a complaint with Paypal, but after their "investigation", they couldn't & wouldn't do anything because it's a "non tangible item".

goodkarmaco · 11-05-2007, 04:34 AM

Yes, true like html says, if a person makes a charge back in Pay Pal for a domain, Pay Pal will not reinburser and will allow the charge back to go thru. Their reason? Its a "non tangible item"

italiandragon · 11-05-2007, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by htmlindex

That's not true. There was one month that Godaddy didn't provide me hosting, they charged me, I filed a complaint with Paypal, but after their "investigation", they couldn't & wouldn't do anything because it's a "non tangible item".

that`s a bit different , GoDaddy is not the "average" seller on ebay...

wibrodomains · 11-05-2007, 06:35 AM

I am going to hunt this guy down and make is life a living hell--Going to build a website all about him---I will spread his name all over the internet---

Constantin · 11-05-2007, 09:57 AM

The domain is up for the auction:

http://www.okazii.ro/catalog/4162307...T-VANZARE.html

11-04-2007, 03:31 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	Never Sell A Domain Name On Ebay! MY PROBLEM--SOLD A DOMAIN NAME PR3.NET ON EBAY.COM THE DOMAIN SOLD FOR $255.00 ---BUYER PAID FOR IT AND THEY I TRANSFERRED IT---WHEN I TRANSFERRED IT THE PERSON LIVED IN THE US---2 HOURS LATER I LOOKED UP THE WHOIS AND HE NOW LIVES IN ROMAINA.WELL EBAY CANCELLED THE AUCTION AFTER HE PAID FOR IT.THEN 12 HOURS LATER PAYPAL CHARGEBACK CAME IN.SO I AM HOPING GODADY CAN GET THAT DOMAIN BACK FOR ME--- CROOKED GUYS INFO THAT STOLED PR3.NET Technical Contact: Dorobantu Marian admin@romaniapenet.com bd tomis nr 68 Constanta, 8700 Romania 721328329

11-04-2007, 03:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Spade NameBio.com Founder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 7,855	Ouch. Although I sympathize with your problem. I believe the problem is more with Paypal, and not Ebay itself. Using an escrow service would prevent this problem from occurring, but unfortunately you find yourself in a rotten spot. I hope you update this thread with how the situation is handled by Godaddy and the best possibly course of action. However, the warning should be directed against Paypal - not ebay. Justin __________________ Read my Blog! NameBio.com - Search The Domain Sales Index Buying LLLL.com's ending in "CA"

11-04-2007, 04:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,132	If you want me to give a call to the guy, or to email him in Romanian just PM me. Edit: It is 1:25 AM here in Romania, and if you want me to give the guy a call now, then I will be pleased to do that. Just PM me very quickly otherwise I go to sleep soon. __________________ Castles Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

11-04-2007, 04:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
evilopinions NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 757	paypal made a chargeback of 310 $ for a mobile phone I sent 1 month ago...The problem is that paypal allows only one complain...So if the buyer files a claim before you , you have no chance of getting the money back...Unless you withdraw to your bank account as soon as you get it.....my account shows a negative 310 $ __________________ Melbourne Web Design Company

11-04-2007, 09:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Yofie Yofie.com Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: DotWeekly.com Posts: 2,935	This same Bastard got me as well............ 7RC.net, so I sent an email to my rep at Moniker to try and get the domain back. eBay did piss me off without ending the bid of the Fraudster, before the auction happens as I have been contacted by several others that have had the same thing happen. Basically, he hacked into a real ebay users account (burkethouse) and then used that same persons paypal account. Then once the domain arrived via a push, he did a chargeback. This can happen really with any transaction done with paypal, so if you are accepting payment via paypal, you better trust the person sending the money. I think this just shows..... With how large the domain industry is getting, there needs to be a better way to make and recieve payment. The sellers are in great risk, and Escrow service does not always make sense due to the fees that are involved. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137 Right now, the only payments that I can think of are: Paypal (not safe due to chargebacks) Credit Cards (if you have a CC Machine, but again Chargebacks) Personal Checks/Business Check ( Timely, but safer if you let them clear) Money Order (Timely again, but much safer) Bank-Wire ( Can be timely, but comes to the trust thing again. The buyer is Trusting the seller to transfer the domain after the wire) Escrow (high fees, plus they are getting payment via CC or Paypal or wire, which could get charge backs with 2 of the payment forms?) Not sure how they deal with that. __________________ DotWeekly.com <--My Blog, Readers Welcome!

11-04-2007, 03:46 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	Well ebay never cancelled his other auctions he was bidding on after he ripped me off---I emailed each one and told them to cancel his bids--5 people lost domain with that guy.

11-04-2007, 04:48 PM	THREAD STARTER #8 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	Well i had a bad feeling so i wired it to my bank---Paypal stopped that --

11-04-2007, 06:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
sashas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jaipur, India Posts: 3,119	I've never sold anything on eBay...I personally wouldn't but any name above $100 from a seller who doesn't accept Escrow. My ebay rating is bad anyways...2 or 3 I guess. Bought a couple of items off them, wasn't very satisfied with any. No eBay for me...I prefer Craigslist (unfortunately, can't sell domains there)...I at least get to see the goods

11-04-2007, 07:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
c2o2b NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 40	My brother and I have been selling inherited antique and other collectables on Ebay for over a year now. We have sold over 60 items, many in the $1,000 range, and have never had a problem with chargebacks or scams. These are antique and not domain names so it might be a bit different. I've never sold a domain name on ebay before but I was thinking about it. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137 I think scams are everywhere and you just need to protect yourself better, but It does suck that to protect yourself you have to pay for an escrow service. It should be some sort of free service provided by ebay to protect there sellers.. God knows they make enough off fees and other charges. I've paid both Feebay and PayPal quite a bit in sellers fees myself.

11-04-2007, 09:08 PM	THREAD STARTER #12 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	new name change Technical Contact: Cristian, Popescu admin@romaniapenet.com bd tomis nr 68 Constanta, 8700 Romania 721328329

11-04-2007, 09:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
sashas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jaipur, India Posts: 3,119	For a seller, the best form of payment is obviously a bank-wire. Money right into the bank, low fees (I think its usually $20), usually instant. But as Yofie mentioned, the buyer has to trust the seller. I've sold/bought names only at the forums, and even here, I insist on Escrow for amounts larger than $500 when the buyer is new. The names I've bought by contacting the owners were all bought using Escrow (even though the owners had no clue what it was and were willing to use paypal for xxxx amounts). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137 I think some of the bigger domainers should do something about it...start some service that conducts only domain sales and ensures payment as well as transfers. Otherwise, you just have to rely on your guts..

11-04-2007, 09:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 6,438	Unfortunately this problem has been there for a while and PayPal is not doing anything about it. The real issue is that for "non tangible items" PayPal protects the buyer and never the seller. When someone sells a name and the buyer says " I did not get it" , PayPal will always refund the money to the buyer and the seller is scammed. This is also because in the past some sellers did not really give any domain to the buyer so unfortunately it is extremely hard to make everyone happy. I have sold and bought many domains and so far I had no issues but I `m well aware that I can have my bad experience anytime. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=392137 My best advices are: 1) check very carefully the seller/buyer feedback and look in the past of his feedback to see if it`s just "created" appositely to sell and scam. Many scammers will have had gained quick feedback by selling or buying 1 cent - items or even worse they are new with no feedback. 2) check the who is on all of his names to see "mismatchs" 3) consider different way of payments if yuo don`t want to take the risk but remember that PayPal will not listen. 4) for purchase or sales above your risk limit, just force the transaction to be handled by Escrow. If the other person refuse because of the fees, then offer to pay all the fees. If you still get a refuse , then you have met a scammer. __________________ www.MMCP.com www.decretoingiuntivo.net www.ipotecalegale.info www.swishersweetslittlecigars.com

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11-05-2007, 04:34 AM	#22 (permalink)
goodkarmaco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa. Posts: 1,976	Yes, true like html says, if a person makes a charge back in Pay Pal for a domain, Pay Pal will not reinburser and will allow the charge back to go thru. Their reason? Its a "non tangible item" __________________ GOODKARMACO, "Tenisonline"

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11-05-2007, 09:57 AM	#25 (permalink)
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