Eurid says no selling of .eu names

wtf?

Eurid can go f*** themselves.

binaryman said:

I wrote a mail to Eurid yesterday to inquire when their system would be ready to handle transfers of .eu names that had been sold and needed to be transferred to the new owner.
This is the reply I got.

Geachte heer,

Het is helemaal niet de bedoeling dat .eu domeinnamen �verkocht� worden�
Om welke domeinnaam gaat het trouwens, het is misschien best dat ons juridisch
departement dit even onderzoekt om de te gaan of u niet met illegale praktijken
bezig bent.

Mvg

Translated it means: "It is not allowed to sell .eu names. Which name is this about? Maybe it is best our juridical department investigates if you are busy with illegal practises."

Now what the!!!.......

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A bit hypocritical to say the least considering they didn't have a problem poketing cash from the many makeshift outfits that became .eu registrars overnight to handpick the best of the crop....a red flag if ever I saw one....eu ...no thank you.

Maybe their so called "juridical department" should investigate internally how their own Registry which was given the rights to legally print money, dropped the ball at giving credibility to the hype...

First they make one of the most embarassing errors in domaining history by allowing the manipulation of their own registry system, and now they're telling us we're not even allowed to transfer the .EU names we managed to get!?

Are they kidding? Seriously. They're not making life any easier for themselves, the way they're going they're going to end up with thousands of angry domainers chasing after them with pitchforks.

And judicial department? HA. I wonder if they even know what they mean by that.

AAARGHHH WTF are they talking about!
I can't believe this?

Illegal practices? What are they on about?
Who was the person that replied to you Binaryman?

Forward this reply to Sedo and let them put some heat on them as well.

If this is true, and eurid stands by it, then .eu names are pretty worthless... meaning the people who tried to aquire names through GoDaddy were the lucky ones after all

that is a joke if they won't allow selling of .eu domains, it will cause the extention to fail, as if they don't allow transfers what will a company do once it sells a part of its business?

binaryman said:

... Maybe it is best our juridical department investigates if you are busy with illegal practises."

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So crazy it sounds like a joke. Their email makes for no allowance that your sale could be totally legitimate.

This actually falls right in with the fact the the eu registry does not allow for modification of domain contacts once registered.

What a joke!

In my opinion even if this is true there is no way it will last. There policy will and has to change if they expect .eu to become a part of the internet! Domains will just gradually dissapear.

How does this affect selling whole websites by the way?! Build a site and sell the whole thing. Even if its just a landing page? I doubt ebay wouldnt be too happy if they were told they couldnt use the domain tripadvisor.com after they bought it because you cant transfer ownership or the URL.

And people are still mad at GD? lol If anything, GD may have done people a favor if this is true... Eurid=inept.

EDIT: While I am unsure of the laws in the EU, at least in the US, this would never go over. This is a blatant restriction on the free alienability of property/contract rights, which at least in the USA is not favored by law. I am curious if the people at Eurid thought you were a non-EU person or something. Are they serious they aren't going to allow EU citizens to buy/sell/trade .eu domains? Nuts... Completely bonkers.

The .au registry policy does not allow the resale of .au domain names.

Should be investigated by lawyers. I think there will be many cases now against EURID.

I just talked to someone with a representative of Eurid on the phone.
She told me that they will try to enforce the restrictions on speculative domain sales.

There are already disputes going on with companies defending their trademarks.

Ok this is understandable and therefor i also informed about the generic domains that holds no trademark and she said at first that someone that just recently registered their .EU domain and now trying to sell it is obviously engaging in speculative sales.

So i said to her that this is normal way of practice and that it's understandable that trademarked domains as she described as individuals trying to sell their registered domains to companies that clearly hold the innitial right to the domain is of course questionable and need to be prohibited.

BUT then i also mentioned generic names in which she first replied that if someone wants to sell in this stage soon after the landrush is obviously also a speculator.

In which i replied to her how can these be treathed the same? since whe are discussing generic names here from which no company has a right to because there are no trademarks involved.

I mentioned a simple example from which she concurred this would be different as the practice of trying to sell domains to companies from which they own the innitial right to hold and use.

And it's going to be treated and discussed by the commission of Eurid.

I'm am minorly concerned about this issue since the person i talked to was clearly not in the loop of how things work. And was merely repeating what she has been trained to tell.
I tried to get her to be more clear but she was reluctant to discuss things with me any longer since she probably heard by my voice i was kind of upset.

AND I AM! but i was merely firm in my questioning and did not use any foul language or whatever.

I think we will have to wait what Sedo will reply on their site to see the outcome of their discussion with the commission or the people that truly are behind the scenes of this issue.
Something i can not unfortunately achieve since i would only get someone on the phone that is instructed to repeat the same thing over and over again.
And that not holds no knowledge to discuss this in depth.

My guess this reply you got Binaryman is merely targeted at cybersquaters trying to make a profit of companies that where lacking to register the domain (s) in the first place.

I do have to say that is a very moranic reply you have recieved from the person that processed your inquiry. This person should have been more specific about this.

We will see how this will turn out but i suspect it's just a storm in a glass and wouldn't affect us domainers that will not even think about registering trademarked domains.

She also mentioned it's not prohibited to transfer domains so i think there is no real dissaster at bay only for the ones thinking they could force companies to pay up.

hahaha sorry had to laugh EURID... are really becoming the joke of the year!!

Thank god i only got 2 of my names if this happened.. ooo how i will love Godaddy again if this is true..

I just feel sorry for all who managed to get loads and who could be potentially stuck with them...


Personally i have been in this business for ages and i can not see this happening.. Maybe a post on Bobs blog to here his view would be interesting.

Just got a reply from Jay Finnan at Sedo.

It's not illegal. They just don't have a procedure in place yet. I don't know why they chose that language. Its probably easier than explaining that they never planned for the domains to be transferred. Alex will be in touch soon if he hasn't already and update you on the status of .eu transfers. It might take a few weeks before the registry puts a procedure in place.

Jay

At 08:52 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote:
> Hi Jay,
> I sent an e-mail to Eurid yesterday asking them when it would be possible to change ownership of a .eu domain when one sells it. They just replied to me saying that it is illegal to sell domains and want to know which domains I am talking about as I am busy with illegal practises and they want to maybe institute juridical proceedings against me. ??? HUH WHAT?? ILLEGAL?? What about all the .eu names for sale then on Sedo and Afternic and elsewhere???
> Please Jay reply to me urgently. What is this nonsense from EURID. This will collapse the whole .EU market.
> Regards
> FRED

binaryman said:

Its probably easier than explaining that they never planned for the domains to be transferred.

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That says it all... Eurid's planning is at the same abysmal level of planning as Bushie's (when it came to what to do with Iraq after Saddam was gone).

LOL, exactly.
Small storm in a glass guys. Nothing to worry about

hahaha! This makes me so happy! Maybe I will get a deicent domain now :P

fonzie_007 said:

That says it all... Eurid's planning is at the same abysmal level of planning as Bushie's (when it came to what to do with Iraq after Saddam was gone).

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At least Bush managed to invade Iraq and topple Saddam. These guys are not that smart.

Political pressure may have been applied to the muppets in EUrid and now they are scurrying to try to repair the situation.

The .eu terms make it clear that the registrant has a licence to use the domain rather than actually owning the domain. This offers EUrid a particular point of attack. It could choose to lock in all domain registrations for the first year (worst case).

There will probably have to be a few high profile terminations to reassure the people that the Commission and EUrid are really doing a good job after all. The problem with dealing with incompetent companies is that their decision making process becomes very unpredictable under pressure. It might be nice to think that it is all a storm in a teacup but the teacup rattling may be a sign that an earthquake is coming.

Regards...jmcc

binaryman said:

Just got a reply from Jay Finnan at Sedo.

It's not illegal. They just don't have a procedure in place yet. I don't know why they chose that language. Its probably easier than explaining that they never planned for the domains to be transferred. Alex will be in touch soon if he hasn't already and update you on the status of .eu transfers. It might take a few weeks before the registry puts a procedure in place.

Jay

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Aww, too bad.
It would have been great to see those who gamed the system stuck with names, and a huge bill.

They should make a film about this fiasco!

jmcc said:

The .eu terms make it clear that the registrant has a licence to use the domain rather than actually owning the domain. This offers EUrid a particular point of attack. It could choose to lock in all domain registrations for the first year (worst case).

Regards...jmcc

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That's not really a point of attack since if i am correct this also applies to .com's and other extensions.
The registrant holder is the licensee to use the domain for their personal/business practices and if a original holder decides to transfer this license according to their own fee it's their decision.

Could i be wrong here? Just my assumption

What a bunch of mugs. How does anyone so incompetent get awarded the rights that Eurid have been granted. They obviousley weren't the people for the job on this one.
I don't even agree that trademarked names are wrong to sell if they were applied for in the landrush- its amazing what a stink companies will kick up over their rights, yet they didn't want it bad enough to even bother putting a sunrise application in.

I really hope this resolves soon. I still have some .eu's on auction at pool and now I don't know whether to bid or not... they're great LLL's but maybe this extention is doomed. I hope not though, and will have faith that somebody with half a brain might come on the scene and sort it all out.

I wonder how Pool are managing to auction them off if the whois cannot be changed to another owner at the moment ? Anyone know ?

Jiblob said:

hahaha! This makes me so happy! Maybe I will get a deicent domain now :P

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That's a strange thing to say at a domain forum IMO ?

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