Fresh .co.in v/s .in

pratiknaik · Oct 10, 2005

I was bored and I ended up writing about .in v/s .co.in. It's been almost 10 months and we are yet to see *big* .in sites. I talk to many domainers in chat room and many of them firmly believe that .in will soon take over .co.in. But as it turns out, their beliefs are usually without base. Mostly from the people who have not much clue about internet usage in India. Initially I used to be .in fan. But very soon, I realized the mistakes.

Anyways, have a look at http://www.dnblog.in/2005/10/10/in-vs-coin.html and let your .INside voices be known

Thanks,
Pratik

Dillpup · Oct 10, 2005

Nice information Pratik,I have noticed the same trends. I registered about 10 .IN and about 100 co.in back at the release date when I saw many premium co.in were available---10 months later my co.in are still the only ones receiving any kind of type-in traffic.
I have sold many premium one-word .co.in anywhere from $70-$800 a piece..I have only sold one .IN and that's because it was an OVT with extension typo.
As for views on Sedo,my Ram.co.in has had upwards of 57 views this month,I checked the .IN (which I do not own) and it has had just 7.
CO.IN is what India started with and they will always type it in out of habit.Just because a shorter alternative is available doesn't mean a country will immediately embrace it.
Look at .US,still struggling to find it's place all these years later.

harkster · Oct 11, 2005

Makes a lot of sense to me. Well thought out reasoning from one who should know.

I also notice that my .co.in at sedo get more traffic than the .in.

wot · Oct 11, 2005

It's been the same from day 1, .co.in far ahead of .in , my gov.co.in is now averaging nearly 400 hits per day - PCS.co.in a 50x the traffic of PCS.in - 98% of my India traffic is from .co.in - just added (fresh reg today) 2007.co.in, may well get traffic, we will see.

CrazyTech · Oct 11, 2005

I can agree with the general .co.in is more recognized statement. Although I only have about 25 .co.in and 5 .in, I can say that the .co.in domains seem to be doing better. I've especially had some traffic and interest on won.co.in

1rrr1 · Oct 11, 2005

i strongly believe that .co.in is better and will be better in the near future. .in is too expensive and it is not as widely recognised in India. Google uses .co.in, Yahoo uses .co.in etc...

Binfus · Oct 11, 2005

I remember in the late 90's/early 2000's when many started believing that the Internet will bring an end to most brick-and-mortar businesses, people would live and breathe on the web, etc. Well, that did not happen and is not going to happen any time soon for the fact that we humans have a certain limit to accept and adopt to change....we already are being subjected to such a fast pace of change in these last 2-3 decades that our species has never experienced before in its entire evolutionary history....most of us prefer to live in our comfort zones.... even when someone tells us that a different route would cut our morning commute to work in half often we stick to our routine until one day somehow we end up taking this new/different route and experience the advantage.

Its quite amazing that there seems to be a general consesus that "10 months" is somehow long enough time for people to change their habits and leave their comfort zone....now if someone tells me with some convincing reasoning that .IN does not have much of a chance even 3-5 years down the road, I'd need to think seriously if I'm in the wrong business but otherwise we just need to chill a bit.

Just keep in mind there was a broadly accepted consesus about a severe shortage of tlds when finally .info/.biz et al were released in 2001/02. Its now over 5 years since .info's launch and although we still have plenty of nay-sayers who continue to believe that this extension does not have a chance, most reasonable folks would agree that the extension has started to stake its share on the web; same goes for .biz and .US. The launch of these new tlds and the opening up of .US to general public has obviously been followed by an unexpected pause before there were any signs of their adaptation. However, this paucity again proves that change takes its due course over time. So, whether its .info, .biz, .us or the .IN....it'd be a while before domainers can realistically expect a decent ROI.

pratiknaik · Oct 11, 2005

Binfus said:
Its quite amazing that there seems to be a general consesus that "10 months" is somehow long enough time for people to change their habits and leave their comfort zone....now if someone tells me with some convincing reasoning that .IN does not have much of a chance even 3-5 years down the road, I'd need to think seriously if I'm in the wrong business but otherwise we just need to chill a bit.

There is a reason. 10 months are good enough to get some signs, which we are yet to see. I'd refrain from comparing any TLD with ccTLD. How many countries do you know of that have two+ ccTLDs ? I know just one. India.

Binfus said:
Just keep in mind there was a broadly accepted consesus about a severe shortage of tlds when finally .info/.biz et al were released in 2001/02. Its now over 5 years since .info's launch and although we still have plenty of nay-sayers who continue to believe that this extension does not have a chance, most reasonable folks would agree that the extension has started to stake its share on the web; same goes for .biz and .US. The launch of these new tlds and the opening up of .US to general public has obviously been followed by an unexpected pause before there were any signs of their adaptation. However, this paucity again proves that change takes its due course over time. So, whether its .info, .biz, .us or the .IN....it'd be a while before domainers can realistically expect a decent ROI.

As I said above. I rather not compare any TLD with ccTLD. But, we can have analogy based on .us/.com. What's the primary reason for .us not being used widely ? .com. Internet originated in US and hence the people accepted .com as their primary domain and from there internet spread worldwide. Imagine .com being US's primary ccTLD, and can you expect .us to have any value ? .US will spread because in theory, .com is not US's ccTLD. But that's not the case with India. .co.in is to India what .com is to US.

-Pratik

JoshHendo · Oct 11, 2005

Personally, I think the shorter, the better

So, tat will result in .in been better

Great article :D. Thanks for sharing

nemnoew · Oct 11, 2005

Maybe

While I own many of both .in and .co.in, something to consider is that while checking for availibility of names, I have seen over and over and over again the .in is registered with the .co.in left unregistered. You would have to make your own conclusion from that but it is extremely common. This goes for keywords, trademarked company names etc. I don't register trademarked names but I do watch what alot of big companies do. I could not tell you the number of times that I've seen great names, some trademarked and some not, with the .in taken and the .co.in unregistered. This despite the age of the .co.in ext.. I really do think there are alot of different conclusions that can be made from this but there overwhelmingly seems that alot of big boys who want a presence in the india domains think .in is the future. As for me, I see the point you guys are making for the .co.in but I see something else as well. Had to edit here. I wanted to add that the population of india being so large, one would have to wonder if the millions of people coming online after the .in was released would have that same attachment to .co.in .

tipsfromthetop · Oct 11, 2005

Pratiknaik,

That was very well written and exactly my thoughts on your blog my friend. As you know i prefer the .co.in and always will. Sure the .in may catch up in time, but i think the .co.in will be the winner hands down. I have registered well over a 100 names now mostly singular with very high OVT and whos .com equivilent sold for xxx,xxx i get all traffic coming through my .co.in and if not most of the offers i get are for the .co.in

I know i have said this before like you, but if giants like Google have there main site as .co.in and always have and sites like Ebay one minute are .in then .co.in i think that says it all really.

Great post bud.. Pos rep left.

cjcjcj · Oct 11, 2005

My .co.in names far excede .in in terms of traffic.

I'm more used to the .co.XX due to being from the UK where .co.uk us very very popular.

I'm backing .co.in out of the two but time will tell!

wot · Oct 11, 2005

nemnoew said:
While I own many of both .in and .co.in, something to consider is that while checking for availibility of names, I have seen over and over and over again the .in is registered with the .co.in left unregistered.

Some examples please , particularly the availability of keywords you mentioned :gl:

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pratiknaik · Oct 11, 2005

wot said:
Some examples please , particularly the availability of keywords you mentioned :gl:

I've seen this happening all the time. I registered infomercial.co.in like a month back and .in was taken long back. Same goes with worldspace.co.in. And most of common english words are taken in .in extension, but still available in .in. I can make a list of such .co.in with .in takem, if there is enough interest.

Thanks,
Pratik

wot · Oct 11, 2005

pratiknaik said:
I've seen this happening all the time. I registered infomercial.co.in like a month back and .in was taken long back. Same goes with worldspace.co.in. And most of common english words are taken in .in extension, but still available in .in. I can make a list of such .co.in with .in takem, if there is enough interest.

Thanks,
Pratik

Would certainly love to see a list of available .co.in related real keywords

ccourt23 · Oct 12, 2005

I hedge my bets.... I register both... However I think .in will work.... It think whatever the big indian sites use... Now google is .co.in/ however ebay is .in so we will see....

pratiknaik · Oct 12, 2005

wot said:
Would certainly love to see a list of available .co.in related real keywords

A list of such keywords would make the job easier

-Pratik

yanni · Oct 13, 2005

nemnoew said:
I wanted to add that the population of india being so large, one would have to wonder if the millions of people coming online after the .in was released would have that same attachment to .co.in .

Right on the money bud!

.co.in may be the preferred choice right now, and righlty so, but looking down the road I see .in taking over in a grand scale: Simplicity and new users being the major factors.

ON another note, I too saw a lot of .co.in available while the .in was taken, when I was searching for names. Reason being the .in domains were mostly snapped up by speculators ignorant of the popularity of co.in at the time.

Just MHO.

pratiknaik · Oct 13, 2005

FYI, the first sites any new indian internet user is likely to use are yahoo.co.in & google.co.in.

-Pratik

anurag · Oct 13, 2005

I agree with Pratik.

See my old thread

http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=86789

tipsfromthetop · Oct 13, 2005

Its funny how this topic has been discussed on many forums the one i started on DN a while back went to 4 pages. The general feel back then is the same as now.. .co.in is the prefered choice.

Any wise collector though will register both if he can.. Can not go wrong then

Binfus · Oct 27, 2005

He said HCL has become India's first major enterprise to integrate its domain name and email infrastructure globally under '.IN' domain name. The move has integrated the company's 30,000 employees spread across 15 countries.

Maran said '.IN' domain was a proactive step to promote the internet in India and its large scale adoption will establish the Indian identity more firmly in a global context.

"We are the first large Indian enterprise to integrate '.IN' domain name and we hope that others will follow," Shiv Nadar, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of HCL Technologies said.

http://HCL.IN

http://HCL.CO.IN registered by the same company but does not seem to resolve !!

FusionX · Oct 27, 2005

Though HCL has made a foray into using .IN extension for their primary domain. But its actually more of a gimmick to score a few points with Minister Maran. HCL is a group of companies that has 5 different subsidiaries. HCL.in is just the corporate site where you can find links to the subsidiaries. And needless to say, those subsidiaries still have .COM domains and there is no drive to move them to .IN or .CO.INs.

Treat HCL.in as a 5-page site to brag about adopting the .IN extension.

Binfus · Oct 28, 2005

FusionX said:
Treat HCL.in as a 5-page site to brag about adopting the .IN extension.

Oh, well there's always room for cynicism....so be it!

DreamWeb · Apr 27, 2006

Good article, probably many .co,in today may be worthles than .in but if we`re talking about future i would not agree or disagree with those points it`s hard to predict. Anyway i bet .in will be much more popular than .co.in in few years. Why?

For many users (i suspect mostly English as they have their .co.uk) .co.in looks to be natural and the best India extension but i have another expirience from younger, developing Polish domain market where .com.pl was king until 2004, then there were appearing more and more .pl`s, and finally today there are:

extension / all domains / % of all / changes 24hrs / week / month / year

all domains 454161 / 100.00% / +493 / +3343 / +14916 / +146152
1 pl 272574 / 60.02% / +349 / +2209 / +10337 / +98106
2 com.pl 105749 / 23.28% / +71 / +423 / +2317 / +22735
3 net.pl 11193 / 2.46% / +19 / +92 / +430 / +3793
(...)

source: http://dns.pl

so we have 272574 .pl vs 105749 .com.pl

And generally after years .com.pl worth less than 1/2 of same .pl
And my .com.pl domains have only 1/30 visits of the same .pl !!!
So .com.pl is populary used by firms but it don`t make it good enought to develop it in portal or other not-business-card-sites :]

I must also to admit, i don`t know India market and Indians habbits, but i belive that even in UK in ten years .uk would be more popular than .co.uk if ".uk" would exist

:imho: Because in the Internet the shortest always wins at the end...

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