LLLL.com evaluation thread

italiandragon · Sep 28, 2007

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself

Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."

I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.

XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1

Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.

Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.

UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1

RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1

HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1

YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1

a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1

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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1

RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1

Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.

FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1

WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1

With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T

Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=

HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1

- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1

And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.

Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1

EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?

CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300

Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100

I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1

I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.

SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=

hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=

jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=

Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?

Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

Pred · Nov 2, 2007

floatingworld said:
the aftermarket has just begun! :wave: :wave: :wave:

yep, and if you want a showcase site........

MyLLLL.com .............. is For Sale

:sold:

italiandragon · Nov 2, 2007

The LLLL.com has finally been all bought but since nothing stops people who regged in the last 5 days to delete and ask a refund so despite we are scanning now ( I`m at 13 % ) I suppose that we`ll have to wait 5 days to make this buyout OFFICIAL.

There should be a gradual increase in prices and I already noticed that on TDNAM is very hard to find something below $20 (plus you need to consider the additional $10 of reg fee which brings the total to $30)

-Raja- · Nov 2, 2007

just sold yyrv.com for $40 here at NP, regd since 2005

bgray · Nov 2, 2007

OK, this is a nice thread you posted here ID but I've got to add some input on the whole CVCV, VCVC and pronouncable thing.

There is a HUGE misconception with these names regarding the "good" and "bad" letters.

The "Good" and "Bad" letter issue is for acronym names solely.
It is based on the number of word combination options for each letter.

This letter value structure is not good or reliable for BRANDABLE names.
This is very important because many of the 4 letter sales are based on how they sound and look.

While some CVCV, VCVC, CVVC, VCCV and the like are used for acronym names I'd argue that as many if not more are used as pronounable, BRANDABLE names in which case the acronym letter valuation issue can be thrown out the window.

Take the following examples:
Zoka, Pozo, Zoop
I didn't check to see if these were developed they would bring just as high of price as all premiums on the aftermarket because they sound good and are highly Brandable.

There really is a whole other letter valuation with these names and it is based off of how pronouncable they are AND how easily the letters can be confused with other letter when pronounced.

For example E and I and well as O and U sound alike is some instances and are often confused and mistyped with these names. (but not always) To add to that as my example shows above Z is actually a good letter in BRANDABLE CVCV names because it is easily pronounced and is not generally confused with other letters phonically.

In short, there is really NO general valuation book for such names which is why you probably haven't seen on out there.

Unlike 3 letter .coms there soooo many more exceptions to any percieved rules that it's almost too hard to place a blanket valuation on CVCV, VCVC and other pronoucable LLLL.coms as many need to be done on a case by case basis.

Not trying to put a damper on your effort. Just wanted to point out a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

BTW - I own over 50 CVCV.com and 18 of them are premium.
Out of all of them the one I've gotten the most serious interest on is WOZO.com with 5 unsolicited offers over $1k.

srisri24 · Nov 2, 2007

I need some input on the following. We considered double letter domains, some thing like kkrw and xtmm and they are explained in the first post. But we still dint cover double letters with a vowel to make it pronouncible, something like rroz or xejj. Any inputs on this guys, If this can be added to the first post that would be quite informative.

italiandragon · Nov 3, 2007

bgray said:
OK, this is a nice thread you posted here ID but I've got to add some input on the whole CVCV, VCVC and pronouncable thing.

There is a HUGE misconception with these names regarding the "good" and "bad" letters.

The "Good" and "Bad" letter issue is for acronym names solely.
It is based on the number of word combination options for each letter.

This letter value structure is not good or reliable for BRANDABLE names.
This is very important because many of the 4 letter sales are based on how they sound and look.

While some CVCV, VCVC, CVVC, VCCV and the like are used for acronym names I'd argue that as many if not more are used as pronounable, BRANDABLE names in which case the acronym letter valuation issue can be thrown out the window.

Take the following examples:
Zoka, Pozo, Zoop
I didn't check to see if these were developed they would bring just as high of price as all premiums on the aftermarket because they sound good and are highly Brandable.

There really is a whole other letter valuation with these names and it is based off of how pronouncable they are AND how easily the letters can be confused with other letter when pronounced.

For example E and I and well as O and U sound alike is some instances and are often confused and mistyped with these names. (but not always) To add to that as my example shows above Z is actually a good letter in BRANDABLE CVCV names because it is easily pronounced and is not generally confused with other letters phonically.

In short, there is really NO general valuation book for such names which is why you probably haven't seen on out there.

Unlike 3 letter .coms there soooo many more exceptions to any percieved rules that it's almost too hard to place a blanket valuation on CVCV, VCVC and other pronoucable LLLL.coms as many need to be done on a case by case basis.

Not trying to put a damper on your effort. Just wanted to point out a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

BTW - I own over 50 CVCV.com and 18 of them are premium.
Out of all of them the one I've gotten the most serious interest on is WOZO.com with 5 unsolicited offers over $1k.

Hi, I agree that it`s extremely hard to fit 456K domains in few lines but this is a start. That`s my purpose. This industry is already changing every day and the market moves fast.
It`s true there are some letters that can be confused but that happens only when you pronunce it verbally and not when you write it....plus I think your point of view is only from an English speaker point of view and that`s not enought.

The evaluation guide is based on past sales, so we give (minimun) reseller values based on past sales, we don`t try to put values on LLLL to drive their values there.
Of course , nothing stops that someone could offer $500,000 for your WOZO.com but my question is:
how much would you pay for:

WOZO.COM
NUQE.COM
FABO.COM

?

srisri24 said:
I need some input on the following. We considered double letter domains, some thing like kkrw and xtmm and they are explained in the first post. But we still dint cover double letters with a vowel to make it pronouncible, something like rroz or xejj. Any inputs on this guys, If this can be added to the first post that would be quite informative.

Agreed, those examples will have more pronunciability , so added value, but it will require many sales to put a minimun value on them.

italiandragon · Nov 3, 2007

It`s already getting hotter on TDNAM:

bktu.com - 6 $40 1H 23M
cukd.com - 6 $40 1H 23M
bpoj.com - 4 $39 1H 23M
veht.com - 4 $31 1H 54M
jeyh.com - 4 $27 3H 40M
gakv.com - 1 $10 3H 40M
kecv.com - 5 $45 3H 41M
duvk.com - 4 $30 3H 41M
tuhv.com - 2 $15 3H 41M

gazzip · Nov 3, 2007

italiandragon said:
The LLLL.com has finally been all bought but since nothing stops people who regged in the last 5 days to delete and ask a refund so despite we are scanning now ( I`m at 13 % ) I suppose that we`ll have to wait 5 days to make this buyout OFFICIAL.

What makes you think they will ever be all bought out if there are 866 LLLL.coms dropping in the next 30 days ?

ie:
88 today
within 1 day 220
within 5 days 462
within 30 days 866
anytime 1105

...and thats just one place, snapnames - I just don't see there ever being an "official buyout" but best of luck, the nice combos should do very well :tu:

JMO
.

KingDon · Nov 3, 2007

Hey bgray, glad to see you never changed your pic, that's definitely you. Nice names in your sig, you've been a busy beaver these past few years, congrats.

LLLL's may be dropping, but today they're all gone, and that means it's over; regardless of what happens in the future. Right here, right now, it's a done deal. Live for today!!!

Travis · Nov 3, 2007

Does anyone know how many all premium LLLL.coms there are?

WGS_Thunder · Nov 3, 2007

3character.com says these are premium letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T. So thats 17 letters. If I'm thinking correctly that makes 17x17x17x17= 83521 all premium combinations.

bgray · Nov 4, 2007

italiandragon said:
Hi, I agree that it`s extremely hard to fit 456K domains in few lines but this is a start. That`s my purpose. This industry is already changing every day and the market moves fast.
It`s true there are some letters that can be confused but that happens only when you pronunce it verbally and not when you write it....plus I think your point of view is only from an English speaker point of view and that`s not enought.

The evaluation guide is based on past sales, so we give (minimun) reseller values based on past sales, we don`t try to put values on LLLL to drive their values there.
Of course , nothing stops that someone could offer $500,000 for your WOZO.com but my question is:
how much would you pay for:

WOZO.COM
NUQE.COM
FABO.COM

?

Agreed, those examples will have more pronunciability , so added value, but it will require many sales to put a minimun value on them.

English speaking or not the majority of money spent on pronouncable CVCV.coms are based on phonics not acronym letter quality. That is why Nike chose the name they did. It's pronounced the same in almost any language. The acronym letter system simply doesn't suffice for this category of names. I could string out a list of sales that blow up your CVCV pricing. It's not something I'm debating. It's a fact and is highly overlooked.

To answer your question I would value Fabo and Wozo equally as they are both very pronouncable.

Nuqe would be below as it is not.

I see you working but q is bad in either an acronym system or a phonic system as there are few usable words starting with q and it is not easily pronounced.

BTW- Hi Don. Glad to see you around. :P

Alex · Nov 4, 2007

Some closed TDNAM sales:

BKTU.com - $60
CUKD.com - $40
bpoj.com - $39
VEHT.com - $51
VBGB.com - $110 (that is a nice one)
JEYH.com - $27
GAKV.com - $15
kecv.com - $45
duvk.com - $30
tuhv.com - $15
ykkp.com - $25
qncc.com - $60 (this is also a nice one)
qlup.com - $40
azzg.com - $40

Add to all of these $9 the renewal fee. This is a nice amount of money paid for these domains...

DNK.it · Nov 4, 2007

ebay sale:

vtkz.com 18.50$
vpgx.com 21$
vgad.com 78$
kzut.com 21.50$
oauv.com 28$
nwpq.com 29.91$
eysv.com 20.73$

bktu.com was sold at 12$ in 2006,
ckud.com at 10$ in 2006,
bpoj.com at 12$ in 2006

floatingworld · Nov 4, 2007

nullmind said:
ebay sale:
bktu.com was sold at 12$ in 2006,
ckud.com at 10$ in 2006,
bpoj.com at 12$ in 2006

let the negative crowd argue with that! :sold:

italiandragon · Nov 5, 2007

bgray said:
English speaking or not the majority of money spent on pronouncable CVCV.coms are based on phonics not acronym letter quality. That is why Nike chose the name they did. It's pronounced the same in almost any language. The acronym letter system simply doesn't suffice for this category of names. :P

I can totally assure you that the example you made is already wrong as NIKE was one of my first struglling branded names to understand here in Australia because in Italy we pronunce it very much different.

It would maybe help your point of view if you were asking to different people coming from different countries (who had English as their second language) to express their opinion on the pronunciation level of some LLLL.com of your choice.

GAMEFINEST · Nov 5, 2007

xcellent thread

DADomains · Nov 5, 2007

floatingworld said:
let the negative crowd argue with that! :sold:

I am not in the negative crowd as I bought some LLLL.coms myself, but I do have what might be a negative observation.

I see people posting names that were sold as a way of proving that these kinds of names are indeed selling. But what is more important, I think, is the percentage of all the LLLL.coms on the market that are actually selling.

There could potentially be over 456,000 LLLL.coms up for sale now and all we have to show is a handful of them selling here and there? Sadly that is nothing to get excited about yet.

Also something that might make things worse in the near future is that as more and more LLLL.com owners try to make a quick profit the market could get glutted.

italiandragon · Nov 5, 2007

DADomains said:
I am not in the negative crowd as I bought some LLLL.coms myself, but I do have what might be a negative observation.

I see people posting names that were sold as a way of "proving" that they are selling. But what is more important, I think, is the percentage of all the LLLL.coms on the market that are actually selling.

There could potentially be over 456,000 LLLL.coms up for sale now and all we have to show is a handful of them selling here and there? Sadly that is nothing to get excited about yet.

Also something that might make things worse in the near future is that as more and more LLLL.com owners try to make a quick profit the market could get glutted.

Thank you for your opinion, your point was one of my concerns in the early stages of my LLLL.com interest about 1 year ago but then I saw the numbers.

I`m running a deep full scan with expiry dates included and I`m seeing better results of what I expected. So far, out of the 250,000 scanned I found only 2 available ones that have been registered by someone in China already.

The scenario from you suggested could happen in many markets from Real Estate to stock markets, it could happen to LLL.com or any other domain niche.

I have been heavily involved in the second one and I know that where there is a good opportunity , usually the so called "distressed buyers" come to buy when it`s time.

We can`t say for sure what the future will bring, but the intent of this thread was not only that and I found very useful to list all known sales of LLLL.com

Many argue saying that 456K LLLL.com are too many.

Well, I can`t find any decent one under $100 right now.

In short: domaining is investing and investments are not 100 % safe , not even bonds are 100 % as people who invested in Argentina Bonds know NOW.

Usually , the higher is the possible return , the higher is the risk.

I have decided that rather than buy a single LLL.com for $10,000 I`d have better opportunities in buying about 100 or more LLLL.com for $100 or less.

And add to that in the last 3 days I had 2 different LLLL.com parked on SEDO earning me about 12 Euros without ANY EFFORT. (I`m still trying to figure out WHY).

KingDon · Nov 5, 2007

I have been getting offers for some of the names in my signature. Now, because I didn't sell, doesn't mean there's little action going on with LLLL's. I get your point about not seeing sales; but I could sell all my names tomorrow if I wanted. But then the bigger question pops up, why?

When the LLL's sold out, there was this very same moment where people said, "so what happens now", and this uncertainty will pass. If you could hold onto everything you own for 10 years, you would have an incredible return on your domains; the internet audience is growing, domains available is shrinking.

Very same thing happened with LLL's, buying LLLL's was a smart move for anyone who moved fast enough; even at the end.

dannbkk · Nov 5, 2007

Nice Thread, I have bookmarked this!

italiandragon · Nov 5, 2007

It`s starting to get hard updating the guide in the first thread as I`m thinking that it would be also useful to leave sometimes a trace of how "things were at that specific time".

So , while I figure out what to do, I`ll add new things here one after the other one like in normal discussions.

So now, a little update of the past week.

The complete sellout of the 456K LLLL.com was achieved on November 2 and immediately on Ebay and on TDNAM we have seen a spike in the prices. Also , on TDNAM , the list of available LLLL.com is shrinking hour after hour , especially at the lowest prices, for example I no longer see names at just $5 or $10 under the "BUY IT NOW" option.

Let`s have a look at the significant Ebay sales of the past few days:

PZUT.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270179111121&category0=&fvi=1

ZIOY.com $31

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=160173213721&category0=&fvi=1

BBYF.com $68.56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300164918990&category0=&fvi=1

FEXG.com $127.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=320174308441&category0=&fvi=1

NPUO.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=330180069190&category0=&fvi=1

VGAD.com $78.77

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270181007698&category0=&fvi=1

FZZL.com $78

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300164915897&category0=&fvi=1

NAMES WITH Q:

NWPQ.com $29.91

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=290174417005&category0=&fvi=1

JOQT.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=160174225083&category0=&fvi=1

3 VOWELS :

OAUB.com $66

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200166572000&category0=&fvi=1

IOEJ.com $51

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=280168961316&category0=&fvi=1

OAUW.com $41.03

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200167691087&category0=&fvi=1

OAUV.com $28

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200167544263&category0=&fvi=1

Malaysia · Nov 5, 2007

LOL
i also bid one of them but lost.. Very nice sales..

italiandragon said:
It`s starting to get hard updating the guide in the first thread as I`m thinking that it would be also useful to leave sometimes a trace of how "things were at that specific time".

So , while I figure out what to do, I`ll add new things here one after the other one like in normal discussions.

So now, a little update of the past week.

The complete sellout of the 456K LLLL.com was achieved on November 2 and immediately on Ebay and on TDNAM we have seen a spike in the prices. Also , on TDNAM , the list of available LLLL.com is shrinking hour after hour , especially at the lowest prices, for example I no longer see names at just $5 or $10 under the "BUY IT NOW" option.

Let`s have a look at the significant Ebay sales of the past few days:

PZUT.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270179111121&category0=&fvi=1

ZIOY.com $31

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=160173213721&category0=&fvi=1

BBYF.com $68.56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300164918990&category0=&fvi=1

FEXG.com $127.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=320174308441&category0=&fvi=1

NPUO.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=330180069190&category0=&fvi=1

VGAD.com $78.77

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270181007698&category0=&fvi=1

FZZL.com $78

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300164915897&category0=&fvi=1

NAMES WITH Q:

NWPQ.com $29.91

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=290174417005&category0=&fvi=1

JOQT.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=160174225083&category0=&fvi=1

3 VOWELS :

OAUB.com $66

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200166572000&category0=&fvi=1

IOEJ.com $51

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=280168961316&category0=&fvi=1

OAUW.com $41.03

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200167691087&category0=&fvi=1

OAUV.com $28

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200167544263&category0=&fvi=1

bricio · Nov 5, 2007

some sales @ snapnames:

LXXT.com -> $96
BBPJH.com -> $94
NNHY.com -> $79
SNNN.com -> $525
NRSH.com -> $191
CAQY.com -> $124
DYHH.com -> $59

sorry if it was posted here before, but i think some are new sales

EDITED: BBPJ.com -> $94

DNK.it · Nov 5, 2007

bricio said:
some sales @ snapnames:

BBPJH.com -> $94

sorry if it was posted here before, but i think some are new sales

is bpjh.com ? because bbpjh is 5L

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