LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[bricio]

@ snap:

AHAN.com -> $1,124 (oct 24)
KKKR.com -> $370 (oct 24)

 

[Pred]

How many LLLL.com left?
Has it come to standstill?

 

[italiandragon]

Have vcvc.coms or cvcv.coms been selling for more lately?

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

 

[bricio]

How many LLLL.com left?
Has it come to standstill?

according to dyyo 6,805
no arnie, no standstill

 

[xman]

AHAN.com for $1,124

KingDon ANAZ.com on eBay's last bid was $660 but didn't meet the reserve price.

Both are solid VCVC pattern. These two domains are quiet interesting since one domain contain one non-premium letter and the other contains all premium letters.

It is said "The domain worth of how much the buyer is willing to pay"

In these two case we could also say that "The domain also worth of how much the seller's expected price"

What would be the right price for ANAZ.com if this is in negotiation table?

 

[thetruman]

wuqa.com

7 hours to go at tdnam and 305$ at the moment... CVCV but pretty crap letters...no google results..???
ANAZ sounds really good at least 1K IMO

 

[DomainMagnate]

Looks like anaz.com didn't sell, ebay auction ended at $660.
I think it's a bit low indeed. But hey, my ataz.com is way better :D

xman, where did ahan sell? It seems to have more google results also, so more options - and most important all premium letters

~MG

 

[Alex]

In this case, the "bad letter" is in fact better. AZ stands for Arizona, and this abbreviation is pretty well used.

 

[bricio]

xman, where did ahan sell?

AHAN.com was sold at snapnames

 

[xman]

AHAN.com was sold at snapnames

for $1,124

Is AHAN.com better because it has 5 times google result than ANAZ.com?

or

ANAZ.com better because of the AZ?

Evaluating sales price with this unpredictable (at least for now) niche is not as easy as we may think.

I must say this thread will definitely help us set some kind of price guideline IMHO. I have to give Lorenzo a lot of credit for creating and adding some data in this thread. Lorenzo your effort is greatly appreciated.

 

[italiandragon]

for $1,124

Is AHAN.com better because it has 5 times google result than ANAZ.com?

or

ANAZ.com better because of the AZ?

Evaluating sales price with this unpredictable (at least for now) niche is not as easy as we may think.

I must say this thread will definitely help us set some kind of price guideline IMHO. I have to give Lorenzo a lot of credit for creating and adding some data in this thread. Lorenzo your effort is greatly appreciated.

Thank you

My point of view: I`d prefer Anaz over Ahan because to me it`s more pronunciable but I reason like an italian speaker

Coming up on Sedo:


HVEO.com $80

http://www.sedo.com/auction/index.php?auction_id=19648&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us


GUKD.com $60

http://www.sedo.com/auction/index.php?auction_id=19668&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us


DXML.com $160

http://www.sedo.com/auction/index.php?auction_id=19676&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us


NUEK.com (traffic+website) $4,000


http://www.sedo.com/auction/index.php?auction_id=19730&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us


CASY.com $2,050

http://www.sedo.com/auction/index.php?auction_id=19689&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us


ERSS.com $800

http://www.sedo.com/auction/index.php?auction_id=19757&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us

 

[Krossat]

ORFY got it yesterday @ Snaps
How about it lorenzo, any good

Left KUAG and VVIV
Really liked VVIV tho

 

[italiandragon]

ORFY got it yesterday @ Snaps
How about it lorenzo, any good

Left KUAG and VVIV
Really liked VVIV tho

ORFY sounds great! Between those 3 , I`d prefer it.

I`m curious to know if anyone know the final price of those 2 auctions on TDNAM that I posted here last week. (WUQA and TWWU) ?

 

[Alex]

Wuqa.com - $315 (OMG, it went for low, I bidded it up to $300, but did not bid anymore since I was always automatically outbidded).

ILHF.com (don't know if it was reported, also on TDNAM - $150)
UKIX.com - TDNAM - $146

 

[italiandragon]

Wuqa.com - $315 (OMG, it went for low, I bidded it up to $300, but did not bid anymore since I was always automatically outbidded).

ILHF.com (don't know if it was reported, also on TDNAM - $150)
UKIX.com - TDNAM - $146

Thank you very much, I`m updating the first post with the last relevant info.

 

[DomainMagnate]

Well done, Lorenzo
Good first post

~MG

 

[Alex]

Now I feel bad about not bidding more on wuqa. But I bidded almost 10 times, and I don't know what was the highest bid of the winner.

Anyway life goes on, and so does the LLLL market.

 

[italiandragon]

Well done, Lorenzo
Good first post

~MG

Thanks , I`m going to HIGHLIGHT the new updates in RED , for a 2 weeks time , everytime so that people will immediately see the new updates IN THE FIRST THREAD.

So for who has already read it , just look for the WRITING IN RED !

 

[johnq]

what would you price btfq.com?

 

[floatingworld]

what would you price btfq.com?

BTFQ: Beware The Fake Queen: ooh would fetch at least $25 to a transvestite end-user: Tip: go for development

 

[Alex]

Reseller value for BTFQ.com would be at around $15 - $20 now IMO. But you should post that into the appraisal section.

 

[domeinen]

What about: JQRI.com? It's a typo of JARI.com!!

 

[italiandragon]

What about: JQRI.com? It's a typo of JARI.com!!

typos have more value only if they have traffic, otherwise the fact that is a typo is not important.

 

[italiandragon]

Coming up on ebay the following auctions:


FEXG.com $43.20

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...om=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=320174308441&fvi=1


NPUO.com $34

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...om=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=330180069190&fvi=1


LRZF.com $9.97

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...om=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=270179424726&fvi=1


OAUB.com $39

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...om=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=200166572000&fvi=1


WARNING: Be aware of someone always on ebay that to me is suspicious, offering a LLL.com at $1,999 plus another auction for a quite average LLLL.com with 1 bid $350 from a new user:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...om=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=230185543090&fvi=1


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=230185617450&category0=&fvi=1


I won`t bid there.

 

[Pred]

BTFQ: Beware The Fake Queen: ooh would fetch at least $25 to a transvestite end-user: Tip: go for development

ROFL
rep added
:hehe: :sold: