information HSTF.com: Seller gets questioned about value, raises price

[News]

Chase asserts to have built Hostifi.net—now Hostifi.com—into a SaaS services provider that has generated $7 million dollars in revenue. There are no references to the net profits, however it should be sufficient leftover to acquire HSTF.com for $12,000 dollars.

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[equity78]

And yes some are paying $100 or more for hamburgers

Le Burger Brasserie at the Paris casino in Las Vegas was not about to be outdone by Mandalay Bay, so they offer the $777 Burger. It is made from Kobe beef and comes topped with Maine lobster, caramelized onions, imported brie cheese, and 100-year-old balsamic vinegar. They serve it with a bottle of Dom Perignon, just for good measure.

Serendipty 3 in New York City serves up Le Burger Extravagant for $295. The Wagyu beef in this burger is infused with white truffle butter and topped with caviar, shaved black truffles, cave-aged cheddar cheese, and a fried quail egg. Instead of a traditional frilly toothpick holding the burger together, this one is gold and encrusted in diamonds.

At DB Bistro Moderne, also in New York City, Chef Daniel Bouloud created the DB Royale Double Truffle Burger. This one is made from ground sirloin that is stuffed with foie gras, wine-braised short ribs and black truffle. It is topped off with horseradish-tomato confit and two more layers of black truffle. The DB Royale will set you back $140 and is only available seasonally.

https://gunthertoodys.com/es/most-expensive-burgers/

 

[Recons.Com]

The buyer is not wrong. When he says it is not worth over $2k, he basically means that it is not worth FOR HIM.

As, using a great name like HSTF as a shortener, especially, with the shortener thing being in the past with the twitter/sms limits of 168 chars, he probably cannot justify paying over that for, basically, a vanity.

But for someone owning HSTF in a cctld or whose acronym is the exact match and helps them to use 4 letters instead of 20-30 whenever convenient (let's say, last names of four lawyers, or Houston Special Task Force or whatever), the name is well worth 5 figures.

Now, what this Chase guy should be chasing is Hostify.com as I am sure he is leaking lots of traffic and emails there and wastes a lot of time orally explaining that hostifi is spelled with fi and not like spotify. But, he is out of luck, as that is a developed project and he will not be able to buy that at all.

Hence, when a business sees a name it likes for, basically, couple of airline tickets, it should go like, yeah, I am not paying that for a dumb URL, but think that they are lucky that it is even available.

 

[equity78]

No it wasn't, the LLLL.com became a thing after westerners realized that weird LLLL.com letter-soups sold. Not realizing that it the Chinese market was the driving force here.


Compare these arbitrary rules to the Chinese premiums.

You could get $1,000 for a domain if it did not contain a, e, i, o, u, or v. I.e. you could use any of 20 letters with no rules of placement or anything like that. And that's what you could liquidate them for.

You can't do that for "western premiums." You need to actively find a buyer.

Take a look at the list.

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A "western premium" selling for $19.


No one uses these domains.

Even if you look for successful companies that use four-letter letter-soups like ebay or etsy, these are not premium according to you because they end in a "y."

Meanwhile where are the companies that use unpronounceable garbage like hstf.com? Because I haven't seen them.

GTPR.com did not sell for $19 https://namebio.com/gtpr.com

 

[equity78]

You're missing the point of the allegory. It's a different burger, and that place will charge you $100 (or more) whether you're living from wage-to-wage or whether you're a billionaire.

It was a joke I knew what you were saying.

 

[pb]

I sometimes do that and not out of spite. Just that if I set the price years ago and now I receive an offer, it might bring to my attention that the asking price is quite low. I still let the buyer get the domain at that price of course, but if they are adamant that they won't or after the negotiations lapse, I just set the price I *now* deem appropriate and wait for another offer.

 

[pb]

BTW the data he's using in the table is all wrong. I think he copy-pasted it from namebio unaware that namebio garbles copied data for whatever reason (ok, I get the reason, but it's still bad). What is more, the data was useless for this particular purpose anyway, because most, if not all, of these sales were expired domains and d2d auctions, again courtesy of namebio mixing all the different data in one bag. I appreciate namebio as a domainer tool but in the end user's hands it tends to do more harm than good.

 

[Sutruk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1781387710957007078

According to the buyer... "17 years and no buyers so the market says it’s not worth $12K"

Maybe he can try that argument to buy htf.com, it has been in the market since 1997. Maybe they will sell it to him for $10 bucks, you know, because "it has been 27 years and no buyers"

 

[Acroplex]

The seller might never sell at this price but the buyer won't benefit from downgrading the domain's value in order to buy it cheaper. The buyer is simply being frugal for something that fits the intended purpose 100%. Does he have other options? Of course. He can get hstf.co or .me at reg fee. But he wants the .com so his angle is flawed: When negotiating on a domain, never ever question its value. Personally, I tell them to GFY (go find yourself) another domain.

 

[Mister Funsky]

Bravo for the seller!

 

[Gabriel360]

To be fair I don't think hstf.com is particularly valuable. I don't even think it's worth $2,000. Think about the pronunciation alone, "haitch-ess-tee-eff dot com." Stick to hostifi.com, and if you really need to upgrade go for hostfi.com.

Your inability to recognize the difference between the brands hostifi.com and hostfi.com is concrete grounds to disregard your opinion on this issue.

 

[Jannes]

It's not that I was unable to differentiate between two brands. I was suggesting a rebranding. Why? Because hostifi sounds like hostify, hostfi on the other hand is a bit more manageable because it sounds a bit like wi-fi. Now it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Preferably he'd get something like host[word].com or [word]host.com.

Hostifi makes perfect sense, because his business is built on Ubiquiti UniFi product line.
Hostfi sounds like something related to finance, imo.

 

[bmugford]

I don't think asking low $XX,XXX for a solid LLLL.com is all that unreasonable. I have sold several in that range.

The reseller price is kind of irrelevant when it comes to an end user sale. If you are looking for a specific domain, there is nothing comparable.

To illustrate that point, there was a specific domain I wanted a few years back that was (still is) worth about $500 - $1000 reseller. I offered $20K+ because I had a specific need for the domain.

The buyer turned down the offer. If they came back to me now my offer would be much lower.

Domain prices are fluid. It really depends on the buyer, seller, usage, and budget.

The original post by the potential buyer is not very productive. A deal somewhere in the middle might have been possible but all a post like that would do is burn bridges.

Brad

 

[Kyle Tully]

You don’t seem to grasp some of the basics of the domain market.

1. A huge number of wholesale sales are reported. E.g. all the Godaddy sales you keep referencing.

2. ~99% of retail sales are not reported.

3. At wholesale a domain will sell for a fraction of its retail price because the wholesalers criteria is much broader than a retail buyer.

4. For a retail buyer with a specific name in mind, other sales data (especially wholesale) has virtually zero impact on their purchase. They either value the name at the asking price or not.

5. Just because you don’t understand one niche of domain investing doesn’t mean others aren’t making a fortune in it

I have no dog in this fight. It makes no difference to me if you understand any of this or not. But hopefully others reading are a little more open minded.

 

[winst]

We can argue about the true value of a domain name all day. Ultimately, the seller and buyer have to agree on a value to complete the transaction. Sometimes, there is no logic behind it, just because the buyer or the seller has an emotional attachment to the name.

I sold a four-letter, non-acronym dot com a few years back. I held it for 15 years. What many would-be buyers did not know was that I regularly received offers for $50, $200, $2000, and $10,000. Many tried to argue with me what my domain name was really worth. Eventually, I negotiated a $40k price to sell to a corporation.

$40k is a small budget for a company that spends millions each year on marketing a new product. But if the company is only buying the name for internal use, of course, it is not worth $15,000 to the buyer. As a seller, I really don't care if a buyer can justify the price or not.

 

[Recons.Com]

The guy is clueless. CCCC.com made of great letters with great placement will easily command $700-2000 wholesale. The retail can be anywhere from $5k to 25k for 95% of those depending on the business model of an investor.

And, in fact, using it just as non-vowel shortener is probably a waste of a great name. I am sure there are enough of the proper acronym users to put a proper value on it. And example from the top of my head: A security company (Home Security Task Force)

 

[Future Sensors]

Hstf.com is terrible for legibility and memorability.

I thought the buyer said they wanted the domain for naming their servers, for internal use. It was not meant for rebranding purposes.

 

[silentg]

Not a fan of the buyers who go on Twitter to rant about the price of the domain.

Reminds of SmallBets.com - Buyer did the same thing and eventually bought the domain after agreeing with Francois to buy the domain for a $$ + domains trade deal.

 

[Jannes]

Finance is usually denoted fin, e.g. fintech, but fitech could work too I suppose.

The point was Host is a word, Hosti isn't. Uni on the other hand is a common abbreviation for universal, and unifi sounds a bit like unify.

So I stand by that HostFi would work better as a brand. That said, if it's just for an internal server (that clients won't interact with) then he shouldn't even be spending money on a domain. Because it's 100% vanity and 0% strategy.

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/hostfi
https://hostfi.io/

 

[Recons.Com]

I'd correct you, but you're are being purposely vague here with "great letters with great placement." There are plenty of LLLL.com that are listed for $200 on Sedo and still don't sell.

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Granted, hstf.com has more desirable letters, but you'd not get $250 for it wholesale here.


Home Security Task Force doesn't even seem like a company name.

But going back to CCCC.com domains. Here are the latest sales.

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Note how none of them even break into the four figures.


Then there's no point in spending any money on it. Just hand-reg hstifi.com.

I cannot help you if you can't see much of a difference between hstf and duxj.

For the likes of the former I regularly pay 500$ to 1000$ wholesale. For the latter, I personally won't pay a dime although there are takers for any 4l at around $100.

 

[Jannes]

Does it do that for UniFi too?

Holy Shit That's Funny.
Okay,

The point was about what word+fi often denotes, not about what's taken.

 

[Sutruk]

Just because someone has made a bit of money on a project doesn't mean that they're obligated to share that with domain owners. Millionaires don't pay $100 for a burger, now do they?

What are you talking about? Who said he is obligated to share anything with anyone?

There's a price for that domain, and the guy is complaining on his twitter because in his own words "17 years and no buyers so the market says it’s not worth $12K"

Qlar is a decent domain for an app, because people will call it "clar," "klar," or "qlar", whereas hstf will always be "haitch-ess-tee-eff." So it's not even comparable.

Qlar is a decent domain because you say it? And hstf is not comparable because you say it.. Ok, that's your opinion man. Good for you, but not necessarily the same opinion as the domain owner nor as anyone else's opinion.

Four-letter western premiums is not a category.

And that's why I remarked that between "marks" because it seems that the buyer justifies his complaints putting this domain in the "four-letter western premium" whatever it is.

The fact is that the domain has four letters, is a .com and the owner can ask what he wants because it's his domain, no more and no less.

Take it or leave it. Or go for the .fi or .co because those crappy extensions will "save him 1 or 2 characters"

They will not just save him 1 or 2 characters, but also will leak a lot of traffic to the .com, the real king.

Now, since Mr. Chase is looking for a shortener, the best would be a domain hack like hst.fi (it's going to save him 2 characters over hstf.com) or hstf.co (saves him 1 character over hstf.com).

 

[forge]

CNBC
LPGA
BASF
BOFA (bad example, plus the dreaded "O")

All worthless.

But @MKA is right, I should be able to readily present more examples.

I will also (reluctantly) agree that HSTF isn't the greatest iteration of Hostifi (or Hostify?). And talk about turf wars...

 

[Recons.Com]

I'm sure you can find something like hstf.com for under $250.

No, you can't.

 

[Recons.Com]

There are 98 domains of this type listed on Sedo for $250 or less. Bump that up to $500 (your minimum) and you've got 1,049. I'm sure you'd find something if you believed what you were saying.

Why don't you find one of hstf caliber under 500$ to support your argument?