NeonRider

Someone in China and possibly in other countries is using my full name, my mailing address and my old but invalid phone number as contact info on their multiple domains (70+ and growing) registrations on Whois.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/735055-stolen-whois-identity-by-bizcn-icann.html

Email address that is posted on Whois is someone elses, not mine. IP addresses are scattered around the world, registrar is BIZCN.COM, Inc. which is in China.

BIZCN.COM, Inc. "registrar" is accredited by ICANN.

BIZCN.CON, Inc. does not respond to any inquiries to any of their email addresses be it in English or in Chinese.

ICANN has rejected all or most of my "Whois Data Problem Reports" on their website at http://wdprs.internic.net/ . Upon contact by website and by phone ICANN refuses to explain why they reject my reports. There is also no response from ICANN. It's deafening silence from ICANN despite me repeatedly contacting them.

My local police refused to take a report referring me to the police in China. Chinese police did not respond or their email bounces.

My name, address etc. remains on most of those domains and is in some cases used in scams, fraud etc.

The so-called government organisation, entities and law enforcement failed miserably.

testingyou

Try calling BIZCN.com and instead of telling them that someone is using your identity, tell them that you are the owner of those domainnames, but cant access their control panel, because you have forgotten your login-info and you dont have access to your e-mail anymore.

I am sure they want you to provide proof of identity, and if they have used your identity, you wont have problem prooving that you are the one on the whois-info.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=735055

If BIZCN.com is not legitim, then they have to react to this.

And the plus side is, you have gotten yourself all those domainnames for free. Maybe their is good ones inbetween them.

I only suggest this because your they use your identity, show badfaith and use it in scams.

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Peter

Whatever you do, do not take testingyou's advise. This is plain and simple theft.

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CureCancer

i had similar problem 2 years ago a person in china used my contact info to register godaddy typos - its a shameful act.

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testingyou

Seriously I know. Its not a good advice.

But think about this. What and why do you think the domain owners use the OP's personal information instead of their own?

I can't think of any legal reason that the domain owners do that, without the accept of the OP.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=735055

So what if the domain owners use these domains to phishing, cheating and fraud people? and what if these people want to find who owns these domains that they have lost money to and finds OP's personal information?

The people who lost money would do two things.
1. either go to the police and give them OP's personal information, thinking it is him behind all this fraud.

2. take matters in their own hands, and make a visit to OP's personal home, where his wife and kids might live, to give him a lesson.

Is that fair? Why should OP risk this?

The OP has done everything he can. He contacted police, the registrar and so on, and nobody wants to help him. So he should just let it go and think "I hope people won't show up my front door" or he should make the only thing left to do, repossess those domains in question, so he doesnt get the blame for what others are doing with the domains and his personal information.

So I ask you Peter, what should Peter do, when police and others can't/won't help him with this identity thieves?

Identity thievering is not just a small simple thing you can close your eyes to. I have had a friend who was the victim of such a identity thieves and he ended up to pay/owe around $50,000 because someone was using his personal information ordering things online. One day the police knocked at his door and took him to the police station, he tried to explain he didnt know anything about those products ordered online and never paid, but he couldnt prove it was not him. Because the thieves had been smart at hacked into his computer and ordered from his computer/ip.


So what should OP do Peter, just let it go and wait until somebody knocks at his door?

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Peter

Firstly testingyou your friends predicament is completely unrelated to NeonRider's issue. NeonRider has not had his computer hacked nor is someone ordering items using his name from his PC. They are using his details in whois.

Now not knowing the list of domain it is impossible to direct on how to actually proceed. I can fully understand why the authorities did not act. They have no way to proceed. Firstly they have no jurisdiction in China. Secondly putting incorrect details in whois is not a criminal offense, It is against a terms of sale that ICANN and in turn the registry providers have.

As ICANN and the registrar are not doing anything about this NeonRider could consider doing a couple of things. If the domains are cctld's he could contact the administrator of the cctld. Alternatively he could make life difficulty for the person and contact the host of the websites the domains are used on.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=735055

I would also publicize the fact that I did not own the domains. 1 of the reasons they may be using someone else details is to try to legitimize their domain sales. If someone is buying the domain and searches for the domain if it has been publicized enough they will be warned off when they see the posts.

Breaking the law is never a good option.

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testingyou

Regarding my friend, they also used his personal information to order, and hacked his computer. Identity theft, if you didnt read what I wrote before.

Breaking the law? How is OP breaking any law by accessing an account with domain names, with is registered in his personal information? He just forgot he had them, now he remembered. It's in OP's name and personal information, therefor its his, just ask ICANN.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=735055

The legal owner of a domain name is always the one that you can see in the whois-information, thats why you get an e-mail every year, required by ICANN, to update/check the whois info.

This is a rule set by ICANN that the Whois information MUST be correct, incorrect whois can be the reason to lose the domain name.

How do one keep whois updated/correct? by loggin in where it is kept. OP's domains are kept with BIZCN.com. It is required of OP by ICANN to keep his domains updated, so he MUST have access to his domains, or else he can risk loosing them.

So because the domain names are registered in OP's name, the domains is OP's by law. He is not breaking any law, he has just remembered his domain names and want access to them. Its his right to do so, and it is required by ICANN.

What is illegal is to use someone elses identity without there accept. Thats what illegal, no matter the reason to do so, it is ILLEGAL.

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Peter

As I pointed out your friends case is completely different than the OP's issue. At no point has the OP given the impression that his PC has been compromised or his details been used to purchase items illicitly.


Okay now the definition of theft is the following:

Now did the op pay for the domains in question? Guessing not, therefore he would be depriving the person of the services they have paid for.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=735055

Having a product service in that persons name does not make them the legal owner.

Very true but it is ICANN and ICANN alone who have the power to take action. It is not the right of the OP to take matters into his own hands.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=735055

You know damn fine that is not correct. How can the op suddenly remember domains HE DID NOT PAY FOR. Where have you got this preconception fromn that the domains are the OP's by law?

Again incorrect. It is ICANN rules that whois details match the owners details. It is not law. ICANN have no responsibilities or rights to set laws.


Now an example. Say I bought a car in your name. I used this car. You found out that I owned a car in your name. Would this give you the right to gain access the the car using deceipt and driving off with the car. The answer of course is no. This would still be theft. It would of course be more difficult for me to prove that you have broken the law but you will still have broken the law.

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G33K

If someone used your name to buy a car then that car is yours. They used your name and your credit making the car yours.

The domains in my opinion are the registered owners.

Peter

I didnt say anything about the car being paid for by the person whos name it was registered under.

TTell you what guys I will leave this thread as is. If you beleive that obtaining the domains by deceipt is the way forward that is your shout and you deserve the potential consequences.

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testingyou

So you think those Identity thieves who use OP's identity to make scam, fraud and cheat people go to the police and say ... what?

"Ehmmm... mister police-man, we used this dudes identity to make a criminal act, because we didnt want to be caught ourself, and now this dude has the nerve to stop us using his identity.... will you please tell him to give the domains, that is registered under his personal information, to us so we can keep on going cheating, scamming and frauding people. Thank you mister policeman."

You are like the ones defending the one who rapes a victim, getting beat up by the victims family, and now you want these victims family to go to jail and just let the raper go around and keep doing his raping. lol
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=735055

If something is registered under ones name, it is ones. There is no discussion to that. It doesnt matter who paid what, its ALWAYS the ones registered who owns it.

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