siga

Appraisal scam. Do not trust

see http://www.namepros.com/639974-anoth...t-group-4.html

Posting this here untill his new email address/ site gets picked up by google

Scammer with a domain set up a few days ago.

hammond@thenamepros.com

Pseudo Mod

Warning from the twitter grapevine. No other info provided

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seniorleader

Kindly read from the bottom how they will scam you for paying their valuation service.

They will offer you a shocking offer for your domain but you have to pay their valuation service first.

There were already scam reports for these scam people with other forums and this incident is just one week fresh...

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Re: MyDomain.com
Monday, November 22, 2010 12:02 AM
From:
"Edited" <Edited@yahoo.com>
View contact details
To:
"Edurad Breininger" <eduard-breininger@name-business.com>
Hi Eduard,

Sorry, are you the buyer or the agent?

The appraiser you have referred below maybe is the same company
with yours:

http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/970152635.htm

I don't trust any 3rd party appraiser because most of them where buyers
who will appraise the domain for much lower value in order to make a
better deal with the seller.

Maybe you should deal with my broker agent because I don't have time
for this appraisal game.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Edited


--- On Sun, 11/21/10, Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com> wrote:


From: Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com>
Subject: Re: MyDomain.com
To: "Edited" <Edited@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 11:47 PM

There will be no deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple
rule has saved me a lot of money and time. So I hope you will change your
position. Let's do business the right way.

----- Original Message -----
From: Edited
To: Edurad Breininger
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: MyDomain.com

Hi Eduard,

Thanks again for your reply.

I don't need any third-party valuation for this domain because
this is for our family clan use.

You are the 4th person interested to inquire about this domain
this month.

I don't know if one of them is your agent because you have
offered almost the same price for my domain.

All I can say is I don't want to sell this domain for just 10,000
EUR.

My uncle who visited back from Spain said that I would be
ridiculous to sell our family name for that amount.

So, if you are a domain investor or domainer you know that
this domain don't have any significant value with third party
appraisers.

Breininger.com don't have any value to me and to other people
or third party appraisers (Manual or Robot) out there.

But, is more valuable with the people who have the same name
or specific purpose with it.

I don't think you would sell your family name Breininger.com
for a mere 10,000 EUR.

That is equivalent only to just 1 month of income or salary in
exchange for your family name heritage.

So, let us close this deal.

How much is your Client's Best Offer for this domain?

Kindly reply DIRECTLY so we can close this deal.

Kindly don't ask me again to have other third party appraiser to
value this domain.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Edited


--- On Sun, 11/21/10, Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com> wrote:


From: Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com>
Subject: Re: MyDomain.com
To: "Edited" <Edited@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 9:18 AM

It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
valuation..

Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
now?

As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
simply don't want to take additional risks.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Edited
To: Edurad Breininger
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: MyDomain.com

Dear Eduard,

Thanks again for your reply.

Domain appraisers (Manual or Robot) were good at appraising generic domains. It is
no use for this type of domain.

The real value of a domain depends upon who uses it. I'm using and valuing my
domain at 50,000 EUR.

I know the value of my domain and if you really require a third party appraisal then
you can do so at your end.

Again, if your client need a third party appraisal for this domain then kindly have
it appraise with third party and send me the appraised value.

You have offered me an estimate of 10,000 EUR. I offered you back with my price.

Again, domain appraisers (Manual or Robot) were good at appraising generic
domains. It is no use for this type of domain because this is for personal family
use.

Kindly tell me what is your Client's Counter Offer so we will not waste time.

Thanks and I'm also looking forward to doing business with you.

Sincerely,

Edited



--- On Sun, 11/21/10, Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com> wrote:


From: Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com>
Subject: Re: MyDomain.com
To: "Edited" <Edited@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 12:57 AM

I see, but it's a standard practice to show independent valuation to
buyers/resellers. Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and
have no intention of changing rules which help both parties to avoid
additional risks.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/685266-beware-thenamepros-com-name-business-com.html

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:

http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/970152635.htm

Without the independent valuation from a trusted source we don't spend a
penny. This is our financial policy. So our offer is just a rought estimate.
If the appraisal comes higher we are ready to offer a bit more. If it comes
lower we will discuss the price with you again.


Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Edited
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266
To: Edurad Breininger
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: MyDomain.com

Dear Eduard,

Thanks for your email.

As I have said, our family name and domain MyDomain.com represents
the MyDomain Spanish and Jewish Clan in the US and all over
the world.

That domain is priceless to us. I would only give it up for 50,000 EUR.

I prefer Escrow.com for the transfer and payment process because it
is safe for both of us. They have lowest escrow fee of just 0.89% which
you should also shoulder.

We can start the transfer and payment process now with Escrow.com if
your client agreed.

Sincerely,

Edited


--- On Sat, 11/20/10, Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com> wrote:


From: Edurad Breininger <eduard-breininger@name-business.com>
Subject: Re: MyDomain.com
To: "Edited" <Edited@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 10:15 AM


Can you accept 10,000 eur?

Our client has a 50,000 eur budget for several names. Have you had your
domain names evaluated by certified valuation experts in the past? Even if
your domain has no web site it's possible to appraise it. Without a
valuation certificate our client cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover,
our accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates. On
the other side, it's very important for him in terms of reselling too. Of
course, we must engage an independent valuation company with a real manual
service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources our
client trust. We don't have certified experts in domain valuations and use
independent reliable companies for appraisals.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and
buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/970152635.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly..

After you send us the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
obtain it) we'll continue the process. Do you sell domain with a web site or
just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not
necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edited" <Edited@yahoo.com>
To: <eduard-breininger@name-business.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:09 PM
Subject: re: MyDomain.com

Dear Eduard,

Thanks for the offer.

I don't think I would sell my Family Name MyDomain, which has
Spanish and Jewish Origin.

I can't give you a price for MyDomain.com because for me it is
priceless. But you can still give me your Best Price Offer
for this domain.

I look forward for your reply.

Sincerely,

Edited


--- On Fri, 11/19/10, eduard-breininger@name-business.com <eduard-breininger@name-business.com> wrote:

> From: eduard-breininger@name-business.com <eduard-breininger@name-business.com>
> Subject: re: MyDomain.com
> To: Edited@yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 9:17 PM
> Hello,
>
> I'm reaching out on behalf of Jeff Smitley who is
> interested in this domain. Please email us your price.
>
> He is also looking for easy-to-remember names with
> different extensions for his online businesses.
>
> If you have other names for sale please email us your list
> with prices.
>
> Can we get your answer this week if possible?
>
> Regards,
>
> Eduard Breininger
>
> Sales Executive
>
> Name & Hosting Brokerage Solutions LLC
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yasserjugoo

Dear All First I would like to wish a very happy new year to everyone here.

I have received the email below asking me to send them a price to sell my website and when i went to check the email sender domain name, it's only a redirect page with nothing to do with the email sender.
name-investors.com redirect me to a different website which has nothing to do with name-investors.com

So here i am posting the email extract. let me know if any of you received an email similar to this one.

EXtract from trienekens@name-investors.com (The Scammer Sender)
I have a client that is interested in buying. Please email us your price.

My client can offer you a good price for this domain name US dollars. We can also pay all escrow fees.

If you have other names for sale please email us your list with prices.

Can we get your answer this week if possible?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266
Regards,

Lawrence Trienekens, domain broker

Domain Business Brokerage Inc.
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KyleClub

Lots of threads about this scam. They will ask you to pay an appraisal...

gdawe5

Got this one today, did a search for trienekens@name-investors.com and ended up here.

Nearly fell for it, probably due to hangover...

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EliteCol

I just got this same email, heres some snippets for a glance...


I have a client that is interested in buying. Please email us your price.

My client can offer you a good price for this domain name US dollars. We can also pay all escrow fees.

If you have other names for sale please email us your list with prices.

Can we get your answer this week if possible?

Regards,

Lawrence Trienekens, domain broker

Domain Business Brokerage Inc.




Dear Lawrenve,

Hi, yes appleistuff.com Domain name is now for sale, basically looking at $75,000 or if you have a reasonable offer please feel free to ask,

Here are a few others that are also for sale:
Googleantics.com
Encryptedminds.com
Absolutebargins.com
Clothesbargins.com

Any further questions please dont hesitate,
Yours faithfully,
Colin J Smith.



Colin,

Can you accept 74,000 usd? We are also interested in
Encryptedminds.com
Absolutebargins.com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266
Clothesbargins.com

Our client has a 900,000 usd budget for several names. Have you had your domain names evaluated by certified valuation experts in the past? Even if your domain has no web site it's possible to appraise it. Without a valuation certificate our client cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, our accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates. On the other side, it's very important for him in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage an independent valuation company with a real manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources our client trust. We don't have certified experts in domain valuations and use independent reliable companies for appraisals.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

To avoid mistakes we asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/305624908.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly..

After you send us the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue the process. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.



Hi Lawrence,

I am currently waiting on an authentic value appraisal from 'SEDO.COM' and can notify you when i recieve it.
These are the prices for the remaining domain names:
Encryptedminds.com $8000
Absolutebargins.com $10000
Clothesbargins.com $10000

Although a price valuation of the name is acceptable, this is the name appleistuff.com is in whole inclusive, and has no website attacted or affiliated with it, the 'actual' wording apple i stuff is a very popular search phrasing that is used on search engines, as so the domain name appleistuff.com will be extremely popular once a website is running being worded as even a direct name hit.

Paypal.com is the prefered way of transfer, any further questions or enquiries are welcome.

Yours sincelery,
Colin J Smith




Unfortunately , Sedo is not acceptable as an appraiser because your names
are listed with them and they are not independent.

Last but not least, they are interested in earning 10% commission on every
sale. I need appraisals from a company
which is not interested in selling your domains.
I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.




Lawrence, which companies would you like to use?
Colin.


So, what do you think guys, seems fishy, and how he had a counter offer of 74,000, wouldnt you have come back with 40,50 or 60 as a counter offer?

If this IS a scam i hope everyone else who gets it can learn from this posting, if its REAL than ill shout you all a few rounds at the pub!

Cheers Col

enlytend

@EliteCol - Scam, scam, scam. It's an appraisal scam - lots of details about it in this forum.

FYI, it is NOT customary for sellers to get an appraisal. It's up to the BUYER to decide if the domain is worth the price. Tell them to get their own appraisal and you'll deduct the fee from the sale price. Watch how fast they disappear.

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00timebandit00

Yep, I listed my domains yesterday on Sedo and got the same message today. Must be targeting sedo?

I posted in another thread because I didn't know what to do. TG another member suggested it was a scam.

namerav

I have also got same mail, its scam.

yasserjugoo

Here is the second email from From: "Lawrence Trienekens" <trienekens@name-investors.com>

As a seller you should provide me with an appraisal first. This is a
reasonable practice.

I've found not all the appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual
appraisals from trusted sources only.

I don't trust $14-$20 services. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a
real manual service.


As to the most known brands: the more orders the company gets, the less time
they can afford to spend on each appraisal.

I wanted to use AccurateDomains.com but looks like this company has a bad
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266
reputation.

I also considered www.Afternic.com, but now it's clear their service is not
reliable enough.
Just read this:
"Afternic Appraisals really SUCK!!!"
http://www.discussnames.com/showthread.php?t=13311
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a
recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."


I was told about manual research service from http://www.DomainMart.com. It
costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested us http://www.CertifiedDomainValue.com as
a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. We've read
only positive comments about them. And I have my own positive experience
with this company and their support.

Anyone know how to report them and where to file a formal complain let me know I have lots of time and willing to go after them legally.

tohkon

I am new at domain investing. And I must say that I didf fall on this one.
Well, He sent the same email they send you asking how much I wanted for my domain name, which is 4-UK.Com .

So we sent a dozen of emails and he asked me to make an appraisal at CertifiedDomainValue.Com , which he said it is a reliable appraisal company. I asked him, if Sedo's appraisal was good too, and he said he preferred "CDV", so I thought, well he must know this stuff, and I did pay for CDV appraisal.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

Result: 59 euros off my pocket. And he replied that his client made a huge domain purchased right before I send him the appraisal so I have to wait 1-2 months then he can pay the money agreed, a little less than the appraisal.

But, tomorrow I will call my bank and request a chargeback, I don't care, just want the money back.

The appraisal CDV made was $16,800 for 4-UK.Com . But I don't know if it really worths that much.

So please tell me, what are reliable and accurate appraisal services out there? Sedo.Com is one of them?

Thank you.

silentg

Don't trust any appraisals. If anyone is interested then let them pay for an appraisal for your domain.

Wehr.com sold for $70,000. Appraisal would've gave it $x,xxx

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tohkon

Thank you for the advice.

yasserjugoo

The community here is a good place to get an estimated appraisal and buyers.There must be appraisal company i hope the users here can help us with some top names in the business.

when the scammer dirt bag send me that email, he said he had a client who want to purchase my domain which is easycashaffiliate.com.

So he asked me for my price and so on so i send him a reply telling him that if his clients is interested to buy my domain, let them make me an offer. this is also a great way to get an appraisal straight from buyers.

As a domain seller, I would suggest domain owners to put up a simple page on the domain name that they wish to sell and instead of setting up an asking price, put a contact form and ask potential buyer to make a bid. you can do so also buy setting a starting bid and adjusting this figure as you go by.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

if you guys has more tips let me know as i am quite new in the domain talk and ideas on selling them.

zyzzle

Got the same crap – using "thenamepros.com" and forwards to: "webhostingforum.com"

I have listed on SEDO and Afternic sites, so I guess he/they targets them both...? (Afternic is with Moniker and SnapNames - are they revealing seller emails on their auctions!? )
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

This is what I got back:

From: Lawrence Trienekens, domain broker
Domain Business Brokerage Inc.
trienekens@name-investors.com

Can you accept 12,000 usd?

Our client has a 20,000 usd budget for several names. Have you had your domain names evaluated by certified valuation experts in the past? Even if your domain has no web site it’s possible to appraise it. Without a valuation certificate our client cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, our accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates. On the other side, it’s very important for him in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage an independent valuation company with a real manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources our client trust. We don’t have certified experts in domain valuations and use independent reliable companies for appraisals.

To avoid mistakes we asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/305624908.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly..

After you send us the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we’ll continue the process. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

NOT !!

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zyzzle

Don't Fall for this appraisal SCAM !
Still going into 2011!
Got the same crap – using "thenamepros.com" and forwards to: "webhostingforum.com" / different "contact names". . .
(I list on SEDO and Afternic sites, so he/they target them?)

This is what I got back:

From: Lawrence Trienekens, domain broker
Domain Business Brokerage Inc.
trienekens@name-investors.com

Can you accept 12,000 usd?

Our client has a 20,000 usd budget for several names. Have you had your domain names evaluated by certified valuation experts in the past? Even if your domain has no web site it’s possible to appraise it. Without a valuation certificate our client cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, our accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates. On the other side, it’s very important for him in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage an independent valuation company with a real manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources our client trust. We don’t have certified experts in domain valuations and use independent reliable companies for appraisals.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

To avoid mistakes we asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/305624908.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly..

After you send us the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we’ll continue the process. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
NOT ! !

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zyzzle

Got the same crap – using "thenamepros.com" and forwards to: "webhostingforum.com" / different "contact names" used.. .
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

I agree with silentg post above - if you get a very high offer, which you suspect - ask the potential buyer to make a Down Paymnt(verified into your acct.!) of upto HALF of your selling price - to pay himself for the appraisal!!

This is what I got back after my first reply:

From: Lawrence Trienekens, domain broker
Domain Business Brokerage Inc.
trienekens@name-investors.com

etc. etc.
NOT!!

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yasserjugoo

I went to get some information about these guys at name-investors.com and this is what i have got.

Private, Registration NAME-INVESTORS.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

wow they hide their information via domainsproxy.com no wonder.

WE must try to stay one step ahead of them and try to warn everyone else about this big scam and theft.

someone need to write to domainsproxy and make formal complain in order to stop these people from continuing hiding behind the domainsroxy.com services.

intel1

Hello all,

Thanks for this link. I also got same email from same person. Here are our conversation details:
--------------------------------
I have a client that is interested in buying. Please email us your price.

My client can offer you a good price for this domain name US dollars. We can also pay all escrow fees.

If you have other names for sale please email us your list with prices.

Can we get your answer this week if possible?

Regards,

Lawrence Trienekens, domain broker

Domain Business Brokerage Inc.
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Hello,

We have other good one also:
choosetochangealife.net

How much is client offering for my-skype-downloads.com ? We are getting good
offerings for this domain & thinking to sale this domain name within next 6-7 days.

Our estimate is very big for this domain name.


Regards,
----------------

Can you accept 10,000 usd?

Our client has a 30,000 usd budget for several names. Have you had your domain names evaluated by certified valuation experts in the past? Even if your domain has no web site it's possible to appraise it. Without a valuation certificate our client cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, our accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates. On the other side, it's very important for him in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage an independent valuation company with a real manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources our client trust. We don't have certified experts in domain valuations and use independent reliable companies for appraisals.

To avoid mistakes we asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/305624908.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly..

After you send us the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue the process. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
------------------

Hello,

Thanks for your estimate. We have not done any certified valuation as you mentioned.

We are getting very good offering for this domain name. They are all interested in paying good
amount. I think, its automatically prove that this domain is very valuable.

We will accept the maximum bid in next 5-7 days & we are thinking of getting about 55,000 - 60,000 usd.


Regards.
--------------------

As a seller you should provide me with an appraisal first. This is a reasonable practice.

I've found not all the appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual appraisals from trusted sources only.

I don't trust $14-$20 services. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a real manual service.

As to the most known brands: the more orders the company gets, the less time they can afford to spend on each appraisal.

I wanted to use AccurateDomains.com but looks like this company has a bad reputation.

I also considered www.Afternic.com, but now it's clear their service is not reliable enough.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266
Just read this:
"Afternic Appraisals really SUCK!!!"
http://www.discussnames.com/showthread.php?t=13311
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266


I was told about manual research service from http://www.DomainMart.com. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested us http://www.CertifiedDomainValue.com as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. We've read only positive comments about them. And I have my own positive experience with this company and their
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Hello,

I already did valuation at www.Afternic.com. They accepted following Buy Now Prices for both domains:

choosetochangealife.net $20,000
my-skype-downloads.com $1,00,000

but we think $55000-$60,000 usd is good range for my-skype-downloads.com


If you have trust on http://www.CertifiedDomainValue.com You can use this site for appraisal, we will
deduct your expenses in the final transaction.


Regards,
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There will be no deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple
rule has saved me a lot of money and time. So I hope you will change your
position. Let's do business the right way.
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You can select any Trusted Source & can do appraisal. We are ready for
all correct business process, as you said. We will deduct that appraisal fees
from the final deal. Just think about it.
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SO Guys, what you think. I contacted domainmart.com, He also suggested it may be scam:
Nitin,

The $30,000 offer may be a scam. Please look at http://www.domainmart.com/DomainName...camWarning.htm.

Regards

syncvb

Yesterday I received an email which read
This mail was from bronstein@webnamecorp.com

I was sure that this is scam as the domain used "webnamecorp" is just two days older now
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266
..
Still I wanted to know what they do if I reply so I replied with a price and here is what i got
I was shocked that they are using the NAMEPROS' name!
The site name TheNamePros.com redirects to webhostingforum . com and the link they have given is a page which says forum archive and links to an appraisal company.

Mods,I am sure that NamePros.com is a TM,so please get the name TheNamePros.com from these scammers.

Corky50

I had about the same thing, except that I told them to make an offer.
They did! $10,000 and then pretty much the same email.
I wrote back telling them to have it appraised at their option. Then I got another and so on... :
Here is the correspondence...

Gregory,

Have you been doing this very long? Do you actually have someone interested in the domain or not? You approached me, remember?

First, no one is violatiing any "rules". There ARE no rules. It's worth what ever someone who has a need for it will pay.

This sounds like an attempt to have me use this overpriced manual service while you as an affilaite get a commission off me. If I am wrong, then I apologize.

http://impressivedomains.com/domain-...ppraisals.html does them as well at $15.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

If your "buyer" wants to have it appraised at either one, send me a $1,000 deposit in good faith and I will do so. But I won't go spending money on a domain that I am happy with using myself for other projects. Again, YOU approached me.

I don't frankly believe you have a buyer. What do you do, get domains ready to sell and then look for offers or just rely upon the affiliate commission from the manual appraisal? Not being slanderous here, just appreciating an honest answer.

But if you do, I have several more domains you may be interested in for the Tampa area and others for large citiy motel and hotel and legal domains. But again, I'm not going to pay for an overpriced appraisals on any of them, until I know we are on firm ground here.

I understand if you find some of this abrasive, but I have seen my share of scams. If you are for real, you will certainly want to clear your reputation and proceed with a legitimate deal.

Be advised, if I do NOT even hear from you, enough said, and I will post your scam to the interent. I hope I am wrong, but keeping a copy of this just in case. I note that your email domain name just forwards to a webhosting sales pitch. That's odd.... hhhmmmmm..... Hope you are legit, but it doesn't look it right now.

Corky


--- On Sat, 1/8/11, Gregory Bronstein <bronstein@webnamecorp.com> wrote:


From: Gregory Bronstein <bronstein@webnamecorp.com>
Subject: Re: TampaMotel.org
To: "**Corky* CNY Online Cafe, Inc." <cnyonlinecafe@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 11:33 AM


I see, but it's a standard practice to show independent valuation to
buyers/resellers. Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and
have no intention of changing rules which help both parties to avoid
additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:

http://www.thenamepros.com/20471508.htm

Without the independent valuation from a trusted source we don't spend a
penny. This is our financial policy. So our offer is just a rought estimate.
If the appraisal comes higher we are ready to offer a bit more. If it comes
lower we will discuss the price with you again.


Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you.


----- Original Message -----
From: **Corky* CNY Online Cafe, Inc.
To: Gregory Bronstein
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: TampaMotel.org


Yes, I would sell for $10,000. Paypal is the easiest. to Corky@etraffic-secrets.com
It would be considered a full sale of the entire rights.

If you want to have it evaluated, be my guest. I'm not going to do it.

Will look to hear from you.

Thanks,
Corky

--- On Sat, 1/8/11, Gregory Bronstein <bronstein@webnamecorp.com> wrote:


From: Gregory Bronstein <bronstein@webnamecorp.com>
Subject: Re: TampaMotel.org
To: "**Corky* CNY Online Cafe, Inc." <cnyonlinecafe@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 2:45 AM



Corky,

Can you accept 10,000 USD?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=685266

Our client has a 50,000 USD budget for several names. Have you had your domain names evaluated by certified valuation experts in the past? Even if your domain has no web site it's possible to appraise it. Without a valuation certificate our client cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, our accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates. On the other side, it's very important for him in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage an independent valuation company with a real manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources our client trust. We don't have certified experts in domain valuations and use independent reliable companies for appraisals.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/20471508.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly..

After you send us the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue the process. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
----- Original Message -----
From: **Corky* CNY Online Cafe, Inc.
To: bronstein@webnamecorp.com
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 1:59 AM
Subject: re: TampaMotel.org


Hi Gregory,

I would be open to the sale. I don't play a lot of games in the domain flipping arena.

If your client would like the name, please send me an offer of what it is worth to them and I will either accept or reject it. There should be no complications in closing the sale in a very quick manner.

Thank you for contacting me. I appreciate your interest.

Sincerely,

Corky





--- On Fri, 1/7/11, bronstein@webnamecorp.com <bronstein@webnamecorp.com> wrote:


From: bronstein@webnamecorp.com <bronstein@webnamecorp.com>
Subject: re: TampaMotel.org
To: cnyonlinecafe@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 10:47 AM



Our client (medium-sized corporation) is interested in buying the domain. Please email us your price.

They can offer you a good price. Moreover, they can also pay all escrow fees if necessary.

Can we get your answer this week if possible?

Regards,

Gregory Bronstein, Vice President

Web Name Business Corp.
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Sure seems like a scam to me....

spuffy

They've sent me the same e-mail, offering $10,000 and asking me to get it appraised.

Can you accept 10,000 USD?

Our client has a 50,000 USD budget for several names. Have you had your domain names evaluated by certified valuation experts in the past? Even if your domain has no web site it's possible to appraise it. Without a valuation certificate our client cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, our accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates. On the other side, it's very important for him in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage an independent valuation company with a real manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources our client trust. We don't have certified experts in domain valuations and use independent reliable companies for appraisals.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://www.thenamepros.com/20471508.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly..

After you send us the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue the process. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
----- Original Message ----- From: "ashley davis" <davis6604@gmail.com>
To: <bronstein@webnamecorp.combronstein@webnamecorp.co m>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: enhanced3d.com


What is the price range you are looking for to purchase it?
Ashley Davis
On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:49 PM, <bronstein@webnamecorp.com> <bronstein@webnamecorp.com> wrote:


Our client (medium-sized corporation) is interested in buying the domain. Please email us your price.

They can offer you a good price. Moreover, they can also pay all escrow fees if necessary.

Can we get your answer this week if possible?

Regards,

Gregory Bronstein, Vice President

Web Name Business Corp.
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I e-mailed them back, asking them to pay for the appraisal since there is a scam going around about it, and that I'd do it only over Sedo. We will see if they respond tomorrow.

ebuzconsultant

I too received same email few days back

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silentg

Report them to their domain registrar and to the host. If enough people report then they'll take action.

I have sent few reports of spam/scam alert to namecheap and their response was not acceptable.

Domain Registrar to avoid:
Namecheap.com

Servint.com just ignores your e-mails about report of spam / scam e-mails:
Server Providers:
servint.com

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