Beware New Scammer On Dp...got Scammed Last Night 21 Lll.com

bgmv · 02-13-2008, 09:04 AM

I am furious, I just got scammed out of 21 LLLL.com Godaddy domains last night on DP. The users name was ASH. Check the profile here, its flawless. Here is the info that was provided for change of registrant:

Michael Stearns
1269 Rinehart Road
Miami
Florida
33179
7864070208
email: BobWilkok@gmail.com

He/she claims to have a partner and that their email is:

kellywillhite@comcast.net

These are the names that I lost:

LPZT
MXIK
NKXC
NQVG
OGZH
OWXD
PRZJ
PZSN
QHYO
GJCQ GoDaddy 2/18/08---->$59
PQHY GoDaddy 10/31/2008--->$59
PQYT GoDaddy 10/31/2008---->$59
UZRK GoDaddy 8/2/2008---->$59 (live site .ru)
BQPG GoDaddy 7/8/2008---->$84
FOQH GoDaddy 7/16/08----->$175 (Pronouncable)
EBZP GoDaddy 7/08/08----->$89 (Ending P can be "Partners")
DTQG
FJXA
TKZD
HFZR
QPYE

Any help from anyone is greatly appreciated. I already contacted BlowDaddy and GayPal they are absolutely no help. "Nothing we can do on our end"

GreenGambler was also scammed. I need those names, that was my income, I was relying on them to pay my tuition and rent next semester. This sucks.

bricio · 02-13-2008, 09:13 AM

i am sorry bgmv
hope you have your names back
good luck

these scammers suck!!!

drjeff · 02-13-2008, 09:18 AM

I'm a "newbie" at namePros - please explain how this happenned.

I assume it goes like this:

You offer names for sale, or the scammer offers to buy names.

You make a deal.

The scammer sends the money via paypal or ??

(Or did you transfer the names before you got paid?)

You transfer the names.

How do you get burned here? Unless the payment somehow bounces after you do the transfer?

If you have NOT been paiud, you could go to court and get the names back - they won't be able to transfer out of godaddy for 60 days, lots of time to fix it - I hope!

VYFX · 02-13-2008, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by drjeff

I'm a "newbie" at namePros - please explain how this happenned.

I assume it goes like this:

You offer names for sale, or the scammer offers to buy names.

You make a deal.

The scammer sends the money via paypal or ??

(Or did you transfer the names before you got paid?)

You transfer the names.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/431828-beware-new-scammer-dp-got-scammed.html

How do you get burned here? Unless the payment somehow bounces after you do the transfer?

If you have NOT been paiud, you could go to court and get the names back - they won't be able to transfer out of godaddy for 60 days, lots of time to fix it - I hope!

Partially correct.. The scammer will offer to buy the names, a deal will be made, and the payment then sent. Once the payment is sent the seller transfers the names to the buyer. Then, often hours later or in the middle of the night, the 'buyer' will do a fraudulent chargeback on their payment claiming it was sent without their knowledge. Because PayPal doesn't investigate claims deeply they refund money instantly, and THEN start their investigation. Their investigations often leave the seller screwed regardless of what happens and a court case is then the only option. Court costs a LOT, so it's likely the seller will not pursue it. Scammers know this.

~ The 34 Year Buzz!! · 02-13-2008, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by drjeff

I'm a "newbie" at namePros - please explain how this happenned.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=431828

I assume it goes like this:

You offer names for sale, or the scammer offers to buy names.

You make a deal.

The scammer sends the money via paypal or ??...

I was curious too, the plot seems to involve a stolen credit card:

SCAMMER. Payed for domain purchase via STOLEN CREDIT CARD.

bgmv · 02-13-2008, 09:54 AM

I transfered the domains and then recieved payment. I asked the buyer about 10 questions to verify their address and info, everything seemed fine, not to mention their 100% + feedback. I called GD and paypal, nothing can be done.

I just contacted the buyer via email.

xdomainer · 02-14-2008, 12:41 PM

I'll keep my eye out for anyone trying to resell the names.

kleszcz · 02-14-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by bgmv

I transfered the domains and then recieved payment. I asked the buyer about 10 questions to verify their address and info, everything seemed fine, not to mention their 100% + feedback. I called GD and paypal, nothing can be done.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=431828

I just contacted the buyer via email.

bgmv, Im sorry to hear that. Im pretty annoying what verification to use for legal account folder. PayPal and Godaddy are protecting scammers than victims. Keep updating your latest infos to us, we might find out your domains somewhere.

RJ · 02-15-2008, 06:10 PM

The scammer is phishing the passwords of reputable members on DigitalPoint, and using stolen PayPal accounts to buy the domains. Everything looks legit on the front when you see a positive Trader Rating on DigitalPoint and a verified PayPal account, but both accounts are hacked.

They have already tried stealing passwords of NamePros users as well using well constructed phishing pages that look like NamePros. We will be very proactive in preventing this, but will need everyone's help in reporting any phishy activity.

RJ

GreenGambler · 02-15-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by -RJ-

The scammer is phishing the passwords of reputable members on DigitalPoint, and using stolen PayPal accounts to buy the domains. Everything looks legit on the front when you see a positive Trader Rating on DigitalPoint and a verified PayPal account, but both accounts are hacked.

They have already tried stealing passwords of NamePros users as well using well constructed phishing pages that look like NamePros. We will be very proactive in preventing this, but will need everyone's help in reporting any phishy activity.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=431828

RJ

Can we track the phishing pages down to the owners of the domains that are being used to phish? Maybe that will help us a little more in catching this theif.

**mntor** · 02-15-2008, 07:01 PM

I am very sorry to hear this mate. Sick scammers and Paypal suck big time. 21LLLL.coms are reasonably a huge asset and I wish you had atleast asked the scammer about making the payment through MoneyBookers or Escrow or Sedo Escrow. The scammer might have backed off and you would have got a clue.

Paypal are a No No to me for anything more than 300 bucks. I have got scammed a few number of times on DP but everytime only less than 25 bucks. You won't believe this, a person with trader rating 149 on DP scammed for the heck of $11. 2 months have passed and still no reply from him and I am really not sure if he is going to come back and pay me. Lol.

A few suggestions

1. I think NPers should be promoting and encouraging other types of payments like MoneyBookers (No chargebacks here), NP$ (I love this one), Escrow for anything more than $400-$500, Egold (No chargebacks here) etc.

2. You can ask for the domains the prospective buyer already owns for say a reasonable time (few months). We can check the whois name on these domains against the paypal name. Not sure how this can be bypassed but still an additional level of security i guess.

bgmv · 02-15-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by GreenGambler

Can we track the phishing pages down to the owners of the domains that are being used to phish? Maybe that will help us a little more in catching this theif.

Exactly!!!!! If anyone has the emails that were sent to them from the scammers please forward them to me.

If you take a look at the header of the email it should actually list the IP's of those that recieved the message and those that sent it. A simple IP trace should get you in the right direction, then you use ARIN and conduct a trace to see where that leads.

psalzmann · 02-15-2008, 09:18 PM

Next time you should consider Escrow. Sorry for your loss. Really I am

Bill · 02-15-2008, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by GreenGambler

Can we track the phishing pages down to the owners of the domains that are being used to phish? Maybe that will help us a little more in catching this theif.

The scammer created a free site on freewebs. The site has already been taken down.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=431828

-Bill

tytyqueen24 · 02-16-2008, 05:11 AM

I Hate Them With Passion.

Amma · 02-16-2008, 05:30 AM

I'm sorry to hear about that.

Report the crime at Internet Crime Complaint Center

Hope you will get back your domains soon

Amma

bgmv · 02-16-2008, 11:41 AM

I just reported it to IC3, this is going nowhere fast

fonzie_007 · 02-16-2008, 11:46 AM

Sorry to hear about this. I am not sure of all of the circumstances, but is Paypal somehow saying they will not pay you due to this scam? If so, you may want to try writing a letter to the Better Business Bureau. If this sort of thing happened with a credit card, you still should get paid for your services and the credit card company picks up the brunt of the fraulent activity.

Hope things work out.

nielsencl · 02-16-2008, 01:18 PM

In my opinion PayPal needs to take more responsibility for scams like this. You and everyone else should be demanding their help, otherwise who will use their service?

Am I correct in thinking a delay of 12-24 hours would be enought to feel safe before transfering domains?

Sending letters to the registrars and ICANN are also options. If enough people make some noise it should get things to change. I'm willing to donate hosting if you want to put up a site to publish the details of the scam and your efforts to get it turned around. THE REGISTRAR THAT HAS THE DOMAINS NOW NEEDS TO KNOW AND GET THE TRANFER REVERSED!!! you have have proof that the payment was reversed right, get that to them and make them understand they have a scammer as a client.

labrocca · 02-16-2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:

In my opinion PayPal needs to take more responsibility for scams like this. You and everyone else should be demanding their help, otherwise who will use their service?

Unfortunately that's a bad precedent to make. Paypal are not the police. However ICANN and Registrars can certainly undo the changes of a bad deal if they are presented with the proper evidence. Time and time again I have seen that the registrars are figuring out that they need to help protect customers. Paypal does have safeguards in place already but for virtual items it's impossible for them to really stop scammers. The best they can do is lock accounts and seize money IF it's still there.

Sorry for your loss bgmv. You have to be careful doing trades sir.

nielsencl · 02-16-2008, 01:58 PM

I'm on the phone with Godaddy. You can try fraud@godaddy.com. I think you will need to provide all the information about the scam

Dispute on transfer away form
https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/pdf/TAdisputeform.pdf

This form is when someone has tranfered your domain away from you to another registar without your approval, but it may work in your case. I would explain what happened and ask that they make the scammer provide proof of payment.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=431828

Ok, the support rep got back to me and she now says that since the change of ownership was done at 0 dollars, it is a matter between you and the "buyer".

I would still try using that form above, but since you did approve the transfer it may not be effective.

I tried the phone number that you were given and it doesn't work now.

It's good that you reported this at Internet Crime Complaint Center as mentioned above, but I would also call the Miami police department and file a report there as well. Save all emails from the scammer. If you need some help with trying to track them down and gathering more information, please let me know, I'm glad to help....!

vatsan · 02-16-2008, 02:46 PM

Thats really sad bgmv. Like Chris said, try using the godaddy form. Atleast we will get to know how bad they treat their customers. I have already started moving my domains out of godaddy. Btw ppl, digg this http://digg.com/tech_news/Paypal_and...MERS_I_D_THEFT . I am sure paypal or godaddy will see this someday and help him.

nielsencl · 02-16-2008, 03:25 PM

I checked the whois of one domain and saw it is parked at SEDO.com. I would contact them as well and see if they can suspend the disbursment of funds on those domains. Keep checking them every couple of days and if the domains are moved, contact the new parking company.

bgmv · 02-16-2008, 03:25 PM

thanks alot everyone!!! the problem with PayPal is that I sold INTANGIBLE goods so I am not proetected under their seller protection.

The problem with GoDaddy is that the sale occured on a forum, a third party, not on TDNAM. They dont get involved with third party disuputes.

Nielsencl- the domains are still in GD, they will be there for 60 days and cant be transfered out of GD before that. I have made GD aware that the account bobwilkok@gmail.com belongs to a scammer/phisher but they still will not reverse the transfer. Its sad and it sucks because these are both companies that pride themselves on their customer service and in this case arent doing dick about it but turning a blind eye

Originally Posted by nielsencl

I checked the whois of one domain and saw it is parked at SEDO.com. I would contact them as well and see if they can suspend the disbursment of funds on those domains. Keep checking them every couple of days and if the domains are moved, contact the new parking company.

I actually parked all of them @SEDO. One was moved and that was TKZD.com - its now at BODIS. I already contacted them but have heard nothing.

xdomainer · 02-16-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by bgmv

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=431828
I actually parked all of them @SEDO. One was moved and that was TKZD.com - its now at BODIS. I already contacted them but have heard nothing.

I think this is a good approach. Maybe you will lose them for good, maybe you won't ...but it is a good approach for you to contact all involved. In fact, since there is a legal vacuum in the market to protect sellers in cases like this.. you never know, your efforts may help to make permanent changes.

02-13-2008, 09:04 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
bgmv Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: bgmv.com Posts: 2,388 Follow @bvardag	Beware New Scammer On Dp...got Scammed Last Night 21 Lll.com I am furious, I just got scammed out of 21 LLLL.com Godaddy domains last night on DP. The users name was ASH. Check the profile here, its flawless. Here is the info that was provided for change of registrant: Michael Stearns 1269 Rinehart Road Miami Florida 33179 7864070208 email: BobWilkok@gmail.com He/she claims to have a partner and that their email is: kellywillhite@comcast.net These are the names that I lost: LPZT MXIK NKXC NQVG OGZH OWXD PRZJ PZSN QHYO GJCQ GoDaddy 2/18/08---->$59 PQHY GoDaddy 10/31/2008--->$59 PQYT GoDaddy 10/31/2008---->$59 UZRK GoDaddy 8/2/2008---->$59 (live site .ru) BQPG GoDaddy 7/8/2008---->$84 FOQH GoDaddy 7/16/08----->$175 (Pronouncable) EBZP GoDaddy 7/08/08----->$89 (Ending P can be "Partners") DTQG FJXA TKZD HFZR QPYE Any help from anyone is greatly appreciated. I already contacted BlowDaddy and GayPal they are absolutely no help. "Nothing we can do on our end" GreenGambler was also scammed. I need those names, that was my income, I was relying on them to pay my tuition and rent next semester. This sucks. __________________ HVAC Training Michael Myers Mask Joan Miro Great Keppel Island Calculadora Gratis Enclosed Car Transport Paperless Office Blood Diamonds SEO Boca Raton Serenity Prayer

02-13-2008, 09:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
drjeff NamePros Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 76	how does this happen? I'm a "newbie" at namePros - please explain how this happenned. I assume it goes like this: You offer names for sale, or the scammer offers to buy names. You make a deal. The scammer sends the money via paypal or ?? (Or did you transfer the names before you got paid?) You transfer the names. How do you get burned here? Unless the payment somehow bounces after you do the transfer? If you have NOT been paiud, you could go to court and get the names back - they won't be able to transfer out of godaddy for 60 days, lots of time to fix it - I hope!

02-13-2008, 09:54 AM	THREAD STARTER #6 (permalink)
bgmv Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: bgmv.com Posts: 2,388 Follow @bvardag	I transfered the domains and then recieved payment. I asked the buyer about 10 questions to verify their address and info, everything seemed fine, not to mention their 100% + feedback. I called GD and paypal, nothing can be done. I just contacted the buyer via email. __________________ HVAC Training Michael Myers Mask Joan Miro Great Keppel Island Calculadora Gratis Enclosed Car Transport Paperless Office Blood Diamonds SEO Boca Raton Serenity Prayer

02-14-2008, 12:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
xdomainer NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 958	I'll keep my eye out for anyone trying to resell the names. __________________ How To Make A Logo

02-15-2008, 06:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,930 Follow @DomainBuyer	The scammer is phishing the passwords of reputable members on DigitalPoint, and using stolen PayPal accounts to buy the domains. Everything looks legit on the front when you see a positive Trader Rating on DigitalPoint and a verified PayPal account, but both accounts are hacked. They have already tried stealing passwords of NamePros users as well using well constructed phishing pages that look like NamePros. We will be very proactive in preventing this, but will need everyone's help in reporting any phishy activity. RJ __________________ @DomainBuyer facebook

02-13-2008, 09:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
bricio Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 2,553	i am sorry bgmv hope you have your names back good luck these scammers suck!!!

02-15-2008, 07:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
mntor Forum Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,324	I am very sorry to hear this mate. Sick scammers and Paypal suck big time. 21LLLL.coms are reasonably a huge asset and I wish you had atleast asked the scammer about making the payment through MoneyBookers or Escrow or Sedo Escrow. The scammer might have backed off and you would have got a clue. Paypal are a No No to me for anything more than 300 bucks. I have got scammed a few number of times on DP but everytime only less than 25 bucks. You won't believe this, a person with trader rating 149 on DP scammed for the heck of $11. 2 months have passed and still no reply from him and I am really not sure if he is going to come back and pay me. Lol. A few suggestions 1. I think NPers should be promoting and encouraging other types of payments like MoneyBookers (No chargebacks here), NP$ (I love this one), Escrow for anything more than $400-$500, Egold (No chargebacks here) etc. 2. You can ask for the domains the prospective buyer already owns for say a reasonable time (few months). We can check the whois name on these domains against the paypal name. Not sure how this can be bypassed but still an additional level of security i guess. Last edited by mntor; 02-15-2008 at 07:04 PM.

02-15-2008, 09:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
psalzmann NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 528	Next time you should consider Escrow. Sorry for your loss. Really I am

02-16-2008, 05:11 AM	#15 (permalink)
tytyqueen24 New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: maryland,united state Posts: 5	I Hate Them With Passion.

02-16-2008, 05:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
Amma NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 583	I'm sorry to hear about that. Report the crime at Internet Crime Complaint Center Hope you will get back your domains soon Amma

02-16-2008, 11:41 AM	THREAD STARTER #17 (permalink)
bgmv Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: bgmv.com Posts: 2,388 Follow @bvardag	I just reported it to IC3, this is going nowhere fast __________________ HVAC Training Michael Myers Mask Joan Miro Great Keppel Island Calculadora Gratis Enclosed Car Transport Paperless Office Blood Diamonds SEO Boca Raton Serenity Prayer

02-16-2008, 11:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
fonzie_007 NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: LLL.us City Posts: 6,358	Sorry to hear about this. I am not sure of all of the circumstances, but is Paypal somehow saying they will not pay you due to this scam? If so, you may want to try writing a letter to the Better Business Bureau. If this sort of thing happened with a credit card, you still should get paid for your services and the credit card company picks up the brunt of the fraulent activity. Hope things work out. __________________ Feeling achy? · ACL Injury Information · Indian Recipes

02-16-2008, 01:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,513	In my opinion PayPal needs to take more responsibility for scams like this. You and everyone else should be demanding their help, otherwise who will use their service? Am I correct in thinking a delay of 12-24 hours would be enought to feel safe before transfering domains? Sending letters to the registrars and ICANN are also options. If enough people make some noise it should get things to change. I'm willing to donate hosting if you want to put up a site to publish the details of the scam and your efforts to get it turned around. THE REGISTRAR THAT HAS THE DOMAINS NOW NEEDS TO KNOW AND GET THE TRANFER REVERSED!!! you have have proof that the payment was reversed right, get that to them and make them understand they have a scammer as a client. __________________ Lorraine Bowman - Internet Expert Witness - Bankrupture - Ad Creation Marketplace - How To Sell Domain Name

02-16-2008, 01:58 PM	#21 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,513	I'm on the phone with Godaddy. You can try fraud@godaddy.com. I think you will need to provide all the information about the scam Dispute on transfer away form https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/pdf/TAdisputeform.pdf This form is when someone has tranfered your domain away from you to another registar without your approval, but it may work in your case. I would explain what happened and ask that they make the scammer provide proof of payment. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=431828 Ok, the support rep got back to me and she now says that since the change of ownership was done at 0 dollars, it is a matter between you and the "buyer". I would still try using that form above, but since you did approve the transfer it may not be effective. I tried the phone number that you were given and it doesn't work now. It's good that you reported this at Internet Crime Complaint Center as mentioned above, but I would also call the Miami police department and file a report there as well. Save all emails from the scammer. If you need some help with trying to track them down and gathering more information, please let me know, I'm glad to help....! __________________ Lorraine Bowman - Internet Expert Witness - Bankrupture - Ad Creation Marketplace - How To Sell Domain Name

02-16-2008, 02:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
vatsan Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: India Posts: 1,003	Thats really sad bgmv. Like Chris said, try using the godaddy form. Atleast we will get to know how bad they treat their customers. I have already started moving my domains out of godaddy. Btw ppl, digg this http://digg.com/tech_news/Paypal_and...MERS_I_D_THEFT . I am sure paypal or godaddy will see this someday and help him.

02-16-2008, 03:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,513	I checked the whois of one domain and saw it is parked at SEDO.com. I would contact them as well and see if they can suspend the disbursment of funds on those domains. Keep checking them every couple of days and if the domains are moved, contact the new parking company. __________________ Lorraine Bowman - Internet Expert Witness - Bankrupture - Ad Creation Marketplace - How To Sell Domain Name

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Beware New Scammer On Dp...got Scammed Last Night 21 Lll.com

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