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here is how to properly promote your business at namepros
As for the eBook, it s a labor of love. There is no better free eBook on the planet about domaining. You have yet to contribute to it, though you were invited.
A labor of love? I just pointed out it's full of misinformation and broken links. That ebook is just to promote your own company, not give the best information. If it was truly a labor of love, you would make it useful, fix the problems when they're brought to your attention. I pointed out 6 before, still not handled.
And there is no better ebook out there, is just flat out lying. I actually posted some in this thread - https://www.namepros.com/threads/teach-a-man-to-fish-co-creating-abundance.1162792/
DomainGraduate 2.0, acquired from Sean Stafford, is a work in progress. However, already it is better, and more comprehensive, than anything that I found that is free. It is also being localized to other languages.
By all means, please link the people to these other free eBooks on domain investing that are better than DomainGraduate. I have yet to find this. I will be delighted to discover it as mostly I found mediocrity.
Beyond Domain Graduate, we have a lot of moving parts. The print ad that you arranged to have removed from this thread actually catalogs some of the major projects.
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For calibration, most of these did not exist just one year ago or were not part of Epik Holdings at the time. We are still looking for more people to lead some of these projects. They are moving apace.
Leadership is a key success factor. Yesterday we added @Zayto to lead Anonymize.com product management. Slots are getting filled.
For DomainGraduate we simply got it done. It has no revenue model as the publication is free, and no login is required to access it. That is as close to "no strings attached" as exists in the digital age.
You might recall it came out of a discussion about developing economy micro-finance. We are executing on that plan. One of the suggestions was to get a course. Well, we acted on that advice.
You see, you can really get a lot done when you focus on the task. It may not happen overnight, and it might not be perfect, but the progress is undeniable. I strongly suggest you try it sometime.
Forum members should welcome any commercial engagement it can get. When the "picks and shovels" companies of the domain industry engage we become more informed, we collect valuable information, we collect valuable knowledge. Knowledge that let's us all run our own investments or ventures better.
If you don't like, appreciate, or care for the sharing of information from companies, CEO's, staff or representatives than tune it out. Just filter it. You don't have to read it. Seriously, it's not hard or it doesn't require skill to just ignore.
On the flip side of that many forum members appreciate the commercial engagement. It can come from a number of companies, not just one. There are many of us who appreciate the engagement, whether we like the companies or not. It's conversation, it's discussion, it's what a forum is meant to be.
Let's keep it simple. If you don't like it, ignore it. If you like it, engage with it. Just don't overcomplicate it, because every person silenced is a loss for the forum, for the members. It's a loss to the industry. That is a travesty.
Speaking of spam, when was the last time you contributed to a conversation without attacking or insulting someone? When was the last time you were constructive with your words? When was the last time you didn't try to bring someone down? Huh?You appreciate spam? Want to see how that turns out? - https://forums.DigitalPoint/find-new/42551701/posts
Always was a crap forum, dying out now.
Increase of spam = less real participation
It's funny, I always thought you worked for Epik. That Escrow thread where an actual Escrow and an actual lawyer was handing it to Rob, you were fielding the questions.
Speaking of spam, when was the last time you contributed to a conversation without attacking or insulting someone? When was the last time you were constructive with your words? When was the last time you didn't try to bring someone down? Huh?
Give it up. Take a breath.
Lift someone up tomorrow. Compliment someone tomorrow. Help a child or elder. Say something nice. See the goodness in life. You will be glad you did, I promise.
I already did link to them, I literally linked to the thread, 3 different ones. You seemed to like them:
"Awesome. Keep that input coming.
@estibot.com is is an industry treasure.
I was not aware of that DNW report. Cool"
That sounds like you liked them, all better than yours.
Imagine, somebody wrote an article on the best NBA players ever and people into basketball were reading it and then after awhile started to notice something. No Jordon, no Bird or Magic, no Wilt, Lebron, etc. Would that be a legit article? That's your ebook when you leave off the obvious.
You see, I sincerely try every day to lift up others. I don't care who makes money or who takes credit. That is not some nonsense rhetoric. It goes to the core of who I am. Doubt it not.
I doubt it because you contradict yourself.
You don't want to take credit?
The Alexa thread? I literally quoted you taking credit for that.
The look at my threads are #1 this week?
The look at how many likes I have thread that you started to bring attention to yourself?
The prediction or forecast thread you started when you could have simply added on to the existing thread? Even Bob called you out on that and you had some ridiculous response like, forecast is different from prediction.
Your own posts in this thread about supporting NP?
Yes, you like to take credit for things. Yes, you like to shine the light on yourself.
Of course you care.
@Rob Monster,
Rob everyone here and perhaps in the domain Industry already has gotten to know you through the many threads and posts that you have had here and elsewhere regarding domains and related subjects.
So at this time perhaps it is in your best interest to abide by the forum rules the best that you can and maybe cut back on the kind of promotions that are out of place and that can put you and Epik under a bad light.
In another words Epik has already made it and so it might be in your best interest not to jeopardize your new found status by needless back and forth arguments and or by mentioning your competitors in any negative way.
As far as Domain Graduate project goes it's best to bring it up to date and fix any broken links even if they mention other choices and options in the domain Industry other than Epik because in the long run that can give you more credibility in everyone's eyes if it is a more complete and useful guide for newbies. You don't have to go out of your way to promote your competitors, but you shouldn't shut them out completely either.
As a successful CEO for many years you should know when it's time to abandon old strategies and find new ways that can propel Epik even higher. You don't need to do constant promotions any more at least not in the domaining community as everybody already knows you and Epik, at this time you need to work more on getting everyone's trust and respect even from your hardest critics.
IMO
Sorry OT, I think perhaps you are not getting the essence of this debate.
I am presenting the case for a more pro-commerce tilt in how NP is governed. I get the kumbaya stuff but that is not what is being discussed in this thread.
The references to Epik are contextual and will remain such. I am advocating that this should become more prevalent among vendors, but that these vendors should also give back.
Thanks.
Ategy said:Another suggestion I have is what happens after the domains expire. One way to significantly differentiate yourself from the competition is to allow domain owners to retain a percentage of revenue made from any aftermarket sales from their expired domains ... Having something like that could be a massive difference maker for many domainers who are tired of seeing GoDaddy take all the profit from what were effectively their domains ...
Thanks to Rob promoting his business here on Namepros. So I got aware of Epik Escrow reading here at NamePros that I was able to sell domains painless with the smooth transactions with the close attention by Rob himself. And I also benefited from his transfer and registrations promos that I used a lot. With all my transactions Rob behaved in such friendly and devoted manner that I did not expect from the CEO of a company himself. As much as I can follow I see that he has too much contribution to domaining community with his projects and as sharing useful information. I got only benefit from him promoting or advertising his business here at NamePros.
Frank, you can expect only goodness and benefit from this man.I don't understand why you have so hard feelings about him but he is on my or your side,on domainers' side and I don't know or have not met any other CEO of a registrar here like him.
He is the kindest and most benevolent monster I've ever met . May God bless this monster.
Lets put this into perspective. Life is a game. We are born so that we may die. Hopefully, theres a lot in between the two.
I'm new but I'm smarter than some give me credit for. I grew up in the shadow of the Virgin Group (Google it!!). Richard Branson said of life in general and business in particular..."Ask for forgiveness, not for permission." Did this work for him? Absolutely. Would it work for everyone? Probably not.
I changed my signature on Namepros so that it included my favourite domain names. I then tried to get on (legitimately of course) as many pages as I could. I engaged with my peers and I got my names out there in the ether. Did it help me sell any domains? Probably not. Did it do me any harm? No
Was it clever? I'm Irish. We're not here to take part. We're here to take over. (Conor McGregor).
Once again, here I am on this thread. Giving my limited opinion none-the-less.
Regards,
Reddstagg
You said "having them register and renew terrible domains"
Isn't that what you're doing? Your .org and hyphen thread:
That hyphen thread is a horror show. But you make money whether people buy good or bad domains.
The .org thread had to be edited out by mods because of promotion. It wasn't to give good advice, it was to get regs. You had spreadsheets of 4 letter .orgs ready to go before the thread was even started.
Even sneaking in promotion in newbie intro threads - https://www.namepros.com/threads/hello-i-know-nothing-at-all.1171953/
But mods are letting you spam that section up, so you're good there.
I find these same type of stir the pot posts by the same 5 people over and over far more spammy than anything Epik does on this forum.
I do not agree with everything said by Rob and even find him over opinionated and prone to rule bending here but the help he tries to give to the domaining community tells me everything I need to know. We don’t have to love everyone’s personality.
The simple solution is report posts that break rules and avoid posts by people you don’t like. All these threads amount to are drawn out pissing contests that make everyone look bad.
I also don't see other people from these companies calling people Marxists and other names when discussing things.
So you find people pointing out spam, wanting spam to stop more spammy than actual spam. Great. This forum will be looking like Digital Point in no time.
Shortly after I became active on NamePros in 2019, a few people said to me that NamePros is not run by business people. This assessment was not from one person. This was multiple persons trying to give insight into NamePros governance.
Domainers are entrepreneurs. They buy low and sell high. So, by nature, domaining is commerce. As such, the core purpose and function of the leading industry forum should be to support commerce and to create a thriving community that allows more people to do it successfully. Some say it used to be more that way.
I have a strong sense that if NamePros was just a tiny bit more tolerant of commercial engagement, we would see more commercial engagement. Community members would then see more deals and offers. And commercial suppliers would co-create more relevant and useful products. It is really all goodness.
At the same time, the people who run NamePros and own NamePros have a right to be compensated for their time, but also their opportunity costs, and liability that comes along with running an open forum. That means there needs to be a revenue model without giving up the free membership model.
Let's look at Google's model as a point of reference for a commercial enterprise that manages a quasi public good. They give publishers some free traffic and then at some point publishers have to either produce really good original content, or you have to pony up some advertising budget. It seems to be working.
We were happy to sponsor NamePros in 2020. We look forward to finding more ways to help NamePros to be both a thriving community, and the leading forum for domain professionals for the foreseeable future. I hope others will follow our lead, and that some middle ground is achieved on commercial engagement.
If we do that, I am confident that my 2020 prediction about NamePros Alexa Rank blowing through 10,000 and having continued growth will prove correct. Why? Because more people find benefit to come to NamePros and engage here. Along the way, NP can likely attract a few deep-pocketed sponsors.
My vision, purpose and calling are clear. I delivered this talk without notes. I think it conveys what we are doing and why we are doing it.
You are free to doubt me. I frankly don't care.
What I do know is that we are doing a lot with a little, we are re-investing back in the industry like no other, and we don't waste money on things that don't matter.
As for the eBook, it s a labor of love. There is no better free eBook on the planet about domaining. You have yet to contribute to it, though you were invited.
Again, rather than engage in endless pissing matches, go use your God-giving talents for good. You might surprise yourself how much more joy you will find in your life. Believe it or not, I will be rooting for you.
But as long as Rob hasn't personally attacked anyone, then I think these weekly threads by @frank-germany and whoever else are starting to become harassing more than anything else.
I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that in Rob's mind he just wants to put a product out there to help people learn about domains no strings attached aside from the fact that it would also help train his rapidly growing staff. But ultimately the problem is that the main people contributing are people who support him, work for him, or have benefited from one of his services. So that in turn results in an ebook slanted towards Epik. Was it deliberate or intentional .. I don't think so .. but there's also no arguing that that was the way it's turned out (so far).
Speaking of spam, when was the last time you contributed to a conversation without attacking or insulting someone? When was the last time you were constructive with your words? When was the last time you didn't try to bring someone down? Huh?
Give it up. Take a breath.
Lift someone up tomorrow. Compliment someone tomorrow. Help a child or elder. Say something nice. See the goodness in life. You will be glad you did, I promise.
I'm wondering in what way this thread is supposed to be contributing to this forum...