"Define Legit Traffic"

Traffic that is generated from search engines paid or not paid for, web directories paid or not paid for, website links paid or not payed for, Natural organic, and typin traffic, Much like advertising here on NPs , By purchasing a link spot, I myself consider that "Legit Traffic" and it is not incentive.

.X. said:

Traffic that is generated from search engines paid or not paid for, web directories paid or not paid for, website links paid or not payed for, Natural organic, and typin traffic, Much like advertising here on NPs , By purchasing a link spot, I myself consider that "Legit Traffic" and it is not incentive.

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.. and performed by a human who made the conscious choice to click or not to click.

.X. said:

Traffic that is generated from search engines paid or not paid for, web directories paid or not paid for, website links paid or not payed for, Natural organic, and typin traffic, Much like advertising here on NPs , By purchasing a link spot, I myself consider that "Legit Traffic" and it is not incentive.

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Traffics that are coming from search engine or directly typein from a Customer whose sole purpose to get his/her intended services.but not those traffics made only to benefit the site owner(paid for or helping traffics).TMO

slim said:

Traffics that are coming from search engine or directly typein from a Customer whose sole purpose to get his/her intended services.but not those traffics made only to benefit the site owner(paid for or helping traffics).TMO

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Can you please elabrorate a little more... Slim....Is web directory , rather is paid or not paid, A text link paid for or free on a legit site like NamePros, Legit traffic , in your opinion?

.X. said:

Can you please elabrorate a little more... Slim....Is web directory , rather is paid or not paid, A text link paid for or free on a legit site like NamePros, Legit traffic , in your opinion?

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If you click the link let say Nameros, it doesn't matter if the link is paid or not if your purpose is to get service from that link, say you want to advertise your domains or whatever the case might be is considered regitimet traffic, but if you know the owner of the site and your doing so just to help the owner either to boost his/her traffic or revenue. I consider those traffics as ilegit.but like i said before "TMO"

As this is in parking section I say that all those things mentioned above are not legit traffic in all cases.

Legit traffic in most of the cases is just type in traffic and search engine traffic which we seldom get on parked pages.

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Legit Traffic in real words would be any human visiting a site. No matter from where he came. Even if it is traffic exchange then it will be traffic for the site.

Now there are some things that does define that this is legit and this isn't.

So there are people who does follow them and some who don't follow the rules.

If we are talking about parking traffic then as mentioned above most of the parking traffic is only legit when it is typein or search engine traffic. [As if we were going to get SE traffic on our parked pages :D] Even if we are getting due to previous cached pages or site that was existing then it will soon plummet down.

For simple site means a site that we can call a site. I think every traffic is legit. If you are selling jewelery then who cares if it is sold by SE traffic, Traffic exchange traffic, by banner traffic or PPC campaigns. All that matters to that site is to sell that jewelery and make profit.

Now for the site that is monetized by adsense there are other type of rules. Like no traffic exchange and so and this and that and blah and oh

So I think different sites have different scenarios. And if this thread is focusing on parking then I will stick to my first reply.

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-Nick- said:

As this is in parking section I say that all those things mentioned above are not legit traffic in all cases.

Legit traffic in most of the cases is just type in traffic and search engine traffic which we seldom get on parked pages.

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Excellent post ... -NICK- , And i agree 100%, It is very seldom that one gets typin traffic to a parked landing page, Aswell as search engine traffic, Therefore without options of using text links on websites, and web directories, Why are we parking domain names? Sorry to get a bit off topic, But this is extremly interesting, And the more it is addressed, The better, imo, It will bring us all to the reasoning and benfits or non benfits of domain parking.

I have one another interesting point also.

Imagine why parking companies pay us. They pay us because we send traffic. Then that person clicks on the paid ads and that paid ads or feeds would result in sales for the advertisers.

So if an advertiser is going to get a sale from one person who originated from a link on one of my site. Visits my parked page. Clicks the feed and then purchases the product then what am I doing illegal in it.

-Nick- said:

I have one another interesting point also.

Imagine why parking companies pay us. They pay us because we send traffic. Then that person clicks on the paid ads and that paid ads or feeds would result in sales for the advertisers.

So if an advertiser is going to get a sale from one person who originated from a link on one of my site. Visits my parked page. Clicks the feed and then purchases the product then what am I doing illegal in it.

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Another Excellent Point...-Nick- ...And i couldn't agree more, Because if the person clicks that link, They obviously wanted to visit the site, No one asked them to click the link, There is no incentive for them to click the link, Once on the site or Parked landing page, All the same applies, Should they click a link, It is at thier own choosing.

.X. said:

Excellent post ... -NICK- , And i agree 100%, It is very seldom that one gets typin traffic to a parked landing page, Aswell as search engine traffic,

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I don't agree with you X. It is not true that is "seldom" to get type in traffics to parking landing page there some people here have very nice portifolio with short dictionary names who are getting mid xx,xxx type in a day. you batter do some research

slim said:

I don't agree with you X. It is not true that is "seldom" to get type in traffics to parking landing page there some people here have very nice portifolio with short dictionary names who are getting mid xx,xxx type in a day. you batter do some research

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Slim i am focusing on the average domainer, I am quite aware such names get typin traffic, But we have over 60K members here, The majority of the members portfolios don't meet the requirments of "Premuim Generic" names, I am speaking on behalf of names that require web directory indexing, And ect, To drive traffic to thier pages, It is a ethical method to get good quality traffic to a site or parked page, So my focus are those who don't allow it, and what is thier reasoning.

I would say that 404 traffic is not legit.

slim said:

I don't agree with you X. It is not true that is "seldom" to get type in traffics to parking landing page there some people here have very nice portifolio with short dictionary names who are getting mid xx,xxx type in a day. you batter do some research

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Yea, and thats who we are talking about here, slim. Those guys.
Personally I dont have many xx,xxx a day type in domains, do you?

Reppy said:

I would say that 404 traffic is not legit.

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I would definatly agree with you, and it is as annoying as it is not legit, imo

slim said:

I don't agree with you X. It is not true that is "seldom" to get type in traffics to parking landing page there some people here have very nice portifolio with short dictionary names who are getting mid xx,xxx type in a day. you batter do some research

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Yes slim you can disagree but I agree with you. There are portfolio owners who might be gettin xx,xxx per day. But I think they will not be even interested in taking a look into this thread.

So it then leaves us with one choice to get the domains that has xx,xxx traffic.

Which itself gets sold for 100's of K's

So what is the meaning of investing 100's of K's and then taking $200 - $500 revenue from it.

It then brings us to another point that we can grab a good one for less. :D Yes that can be done. But who exactly knows what a good one is. And who is even selling a good one for less. If you find one then please let me know I also want to get some good ones For less.

I was just mentioning the majority of domainers who are not getting that kind of traffic. That is why I also raised another question that does our visitor who is similarly interested in a product has to type in first and then only it is legit. Can't our users land from some link and then purchase the products or click on the feeds.

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-Nick- said:

Yes slim you can disagree but I agree with you. There are portfolio owners who might be gettin xx,xxx per day. But I think they will not be even interested in taking a look into this thread.

So it then leaves us with one choice to get the domains that has xx,xxx traffic.

Which itself gets sold for 100's of K's

So what is the meaning of investing 100's of K's and then taking $200 - $500 revenue from it.

It then brings us to another point that we can grab a good one for less. :D Yes that can be done. But who exactly knows what a good one is. And who is even selling a good one for less. If you find one then please let me know I also want to get some good ones For less.

I was just mentioning the majority of domainers who are not getting that kind of traffic. That is why I also raised another question that does our visitor who is similarly interested in a product has to type in first and then only it is legit. Can't our users land from some link and then purchase the products or click on the feeds.

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Exactly -NICK-......Why can't the vistor click from within a web directory, or a link on a legit site, That the vistor chose to click, The problem is this, We have folks here at NP...registering nice domain names, They park them, Perhaps they can't afford to develope thier names into sites, Maybe they chose not to develope them, Doesn't matter, And then they have 100 nice names, sitting at a parking company, When they see they got a click, They break out the party gear, Because they only get a click once a month, So with that said, They have a bunch of nice names, Sitting there doing nothing, It doesn't matter how well they monetize with keywords to make sure the content is excellent to match the name, NO one is seeing the page any way, Except the owner of the domain name, Not only does this effect the domainer, It also effects the market, The ability to sell the name, should they chose to do so, My point is, If this is the case, The Parking companies that only allow "Pure Typins" are worthless to the average domainer, There have been many threads about how domain name parking is becoming a thing of the past, It doesn't have to, But if these parking companies don't become a little more flexable, They wont have to worry about it, They wont be around for web2.0.

John if developing portifolio of 100+ names would be easy i think no one here would be sitting and watch parking companies reap them off. It is only option which in need is time and money consuming.And also don't forget that "Parking domain names" used to be monopoly business(owned by few people with big bucks who never think about domains owners but only them and their ad providers), they had and still have good portifolios they never think about you and me (regular domainer with no type in traffics) our options would be either park with their rules and reguration and make $0.02/moth or develop to make some $xxx.So you and me we will argue here all night but they will never change until we find PARKING COMPANY OWNED BY REGULAR DOMAINER WHO WILL BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE FOR REGURAL DOMAINERS!

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John if developing portifolio of 100+ names would be easy i think no one here would be sitting and watch parking companies reap them off. It is only option which in need is time and money consuming.And also don't forget that "Parking domain names" used to be monopoly business(owned by few people with big bucks who never think about domains owners but only them and their ad providers), they had and still have good portifolios they never think about you and me (regular domainer with no type in traffics) our options would be either park with their rules and reguration and make $0.02/moth or develop to make some $xxx.So you and me we will argue here all night but they will never change until we find PARKING COMPANY OWNED BY REGULAR DOMAINER WHO WILL BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE FOR REGURAL DOMAINERS!

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I went with an alterior option, WhyPark.com , It is affordable at $99 for 100 domains and sites, And i definatly see your point...Slim...But if this is the way it going to be, The chiefs pooping on the indians so to speak, Then people need to voice, What good are domain names to people, If they can't atleast get some enjoyment out of them, We have a ton of domainers here at NP, That have very nice names, If they are sitting there doing nothing, Than what is the purpose? They work hard to establish a portfolio, To only see it sit at domain parker and do nothing, Change is due, Now is the time, And we have enough members here to take a stand, and be heard.

~ Cyberian ~ said:

Slim,

IMHO that parking service is 1Plus.net, soon to become iMoDo.com.

Cy

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And when iMODO is completed and launched, I have a very good feeling, That is going to be a great day for NP and all domainers.

I'm going to give my take on this.
And this is only in reference to parked pages, not developed sites.

Legit Traffic
Type In
Natural Search Traffic *
Directories (Paid or Otherwise)
Links on sites (Paid or otherwise - including NP)

Non-legit traffic
Ad Based Traffic **
Traffic Exchanges (Automated or Manual)
Popup traffic (or popunder)
Misdirected/Redirected Traffic
Non human traffic
Artificially Generated Traffic


* Yes it is possible to get search traffic from a 'brand new domain'. I have plenty that I book and park, one to see where the traffic comes from, two to find out what it's interested in. Really helps with developing with the customer in mind.

The interesting side effect at a few parking services is that these sites get indexed really fast, specially by major SEs. In fact, I've had a few brand new domains that were parked on booking end up on the first page of SEs for that term.

** Any paid for traffic is illegit simply because it comes under arbitrage. Buy traffic for low paying keywords and sell them high. These type of sites have been banned by Google already and are being weeded out, which is for the good of the average surfer.

Considering that there are over a Billion people online and only 100k or so domainers, the general public could be fooled into thinking you add value, when all you are doing is wasting their time with redirection.

Take for example I post an ad for wholesale jeans, then present a page of fashion labels, the visitor might click through the parked site, without ever intending to buy the clients product.

With the cost of CPC already where it is, there is a need to bring down ad rates to include the small businessman, not make it untenable for him to do business online. If these rates keep climbing, the advertisers will leave and that will hurt all of us.

Please keep in mind, I'm more a developer than a seller.
Developed sites can use WHICHEVER method they want to get traffic.
And I don't consider rss based sites or mini sites as developed sites.
They are more for the sale of products and/or mfa types.

mwzd said:

I'm going to give my take on this.
And this is only in reference to parked pages, not developed sites.

Legit Traffic
Type In
Natural Search Traffic *
Directories (Paid or Otherwise)
Links on sites (Paid or otherwise - including NP)

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So according to this I can start a Directory submission campaign for my parked pages?

Can even pay them for listing and can get the free ones just for free

Thanks.

slim said:

PARKING COMPANY OWNED BY REGULAR DOMAINER WHO WILL BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE FOR REGURAL DOMAINERS!

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100% revenue at Bodis.

-Nick- said:

So according to this I can start a Directory submission campaign for my parked pages?

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It is unethical to submit a parked page.
I don't really know if it's illegal for parking services.
Should be though.

Directory traffic is for dropped names and the like.
You know the ones you catch at tdnam?

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Friend you just mentioned that it is legit in above post and now you are mentioning it is unethical. So I am confused which one is your right answer. If you are suggesting that dropped domains then friend I will have to laugh on that kind of rules. Because why would a dropped domains Links will be allowed and not the links from the owned domains. Is there any logical explanation towards it.

-Nick- I think all of us are exploring here.

Read my second post, I said imho it is unethical
am not sure about it being illegal.

Domains that were developed websites and have links because of that are more valuable than a hand reg of the same variety. That is an established fact.

Therefore anything done while it was or is a developed site helps you reap benefits of parking, but it does not make promoting/buying traffic for a parked page ethical.

Hence the differentiation.

How many people you see on NP selling 'traffic' domains, a part of which are duds with bought traffic, the person who buys them loses and that could be any one of us.

Hence illegal in my books, but then I never said I know everything...
am just trying to learn, like all the rest of us who are new to this.

Me too friend that is why this thread was started in first place I think and Kenny was knowing that this was going to be a long long thread that is why he already mentioned "Have at it boys and girls."

I also think it might not be illegal but it is unethical.

mwzd said:

I said imho it is unethical
am not sure about it being illegal.

Domains that were developed websites and have links because of that are more valuable than a hand reg of the same variety. That is an established fact.

Therefore anything done while it was or is a developed site helps you reap benefits of parking, but it does not make promoting/buying traffic for a parked page ethical.

Hence the differentiation.

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So according to this I can make 10 blogs submit them to 5000 directories each and then someday I will wake up and think I am fed up of this blogs and just park them.

Now this train is going in another direction "Pump and Dump"