GoDaddy blocked 1399 domains

gosh gd needs to be issued a sue first before they unblock i thought they won't badge.

wasistdas said:

GoDaddy had blocked 1399 domain names registered there by Majordomo hosting company in Russia. The reason of the block, as stated by abuse department of GoDaddy, was two complains from Spamhаus.org that Majordomo clients sent spam. Both complains had no relation to Majordomo hosted clients. Two complains demonstrated by GoDaddy had nothing common with Majordomo and its clients. Majordomo tried to settle the problem emailing and calling the support of GoDaddy. GoDaddy said that they reactivate domains only if Majordomo would pay $199 for every blocked domains. After Majordomo spent over 36 hours negotiating with GoDaddy they issued a special press-release and started preparing a case to start a sue against GoDaddy. After that GoDaddy unblocked domains.

Full press-release here: http://majordomo.ru/about/150606.php. You can use an online translator to read the text.

Click to expand...

Great news for Majordomo and its clients.

I am a little worried that GoDaddy is getting a bit too big for its boots. There is no doubt that GoDaddy have done very very well for themselves as a registrant but when a company gets too big on the net then they think they are god (look at PayPal/ebay for example.)

Jesus Christ.

Agreed with all of thee said above.
Bob deserves a fist in the face to shape up.

finally they met their match

AndyM3 said:

Agreed with all of thee said above.
Bob deserves a fist in the face to shape up.

Click to expand...

Yep. Majordomo is one of the biggest hosters in Russia and they have good lawers and quite enough money to opposite to GD.

what the hell went through GoDaddy's mind when deciding to do this. They have no write to do that to people's domain names. And asking for $199 for each domain name they want reinstated is verging on extortion.

In all honesty Majordomo would I think be quite within their right to continue with suing godaddy due to possible loss of earning's and harming Majordomo's company name.

Well, spamming is real big problem in Russia, most of my spam comes from there and that is really annoying (and they don't even understand that I don't speak russian). It is like no laws work in Russia, so I can actually understand GoDaddy.

You can understand they charge $199 for each domain to be reinstated?
Even though it has not been proven the domains are all involved with spamming actions?

All it takes is a email and i could (not that i would) get your hosting suspended and your domain on lock down.
I have heard these type of stories before but i thought they had come to their senses.

Evidently not
Their actions are criminal! Charging $199 for what? Putting the on switch back on?

Indeed. What if you're somebody who can't afford to take on a legal fight with GoDaddy. All you can do is sit there and watch how they **** you

Damion said:

You can understand they charge $199 for each domain to be reinstated?
Even though it has not been proven the domains are all involved with spamming actions?

All it takes is a email and i could (not that i would) get your hosting suspended and your domain on lock down.
I have heard these type of stories before but i thought they had come to their senses.

Evidently not
Their actions are criminal! Charging $199 for what? Putting the on switch back on?

Click to expand...

Yes, I can. Spamming is getting bigger problem day by day. There was someone who told that because of the large amount of spam internet will just stop working in about 10 (or was it 5) years. I don't know how it is possible to stop something like internet, but it really s**ks to come home and find out that you have 200 or even 500 new email and only 1 or 2 are the ones that you should read (and then, by mistake, you also delete the ones that you should read).
And I am sure that at least 50% of the other domains, that weren't cought spamming, are involved in some kind of illegal activities. If not spamming then maybe warez or (illegal)porn or hacking or other stuff like that. I have never seen any russian site that wouldn't have at least one naked girl on home page.
I am sorry for the ones that never did anything illegal, but one has to suffer to save millions.

so why not go the whole hog hanz and cut off access to mainstream internet to the whole of russioa. That is an absolute ridiculous viewpoint. Persecuting mainy innocent people to get at a few is never the correct action to take.

If the action was to get at the people behind the spam $199 would not have been demanded to turn the domain on again. They would have simply just cancelled the domain in question (after of course proper proof was made to show they were responsible rather than methods such as spoofed headers or server take overs were not the culprit)

filth@flexiwebhost said:

so why not go the whole hog hanz and cut off access to mainstream internet to the whole of russia.

Click to expand...

That could actually work :hehe:

I am not trying to say that this is the only way to solve the problem, I am just saying that maybe thanks to Godaddy and their weird ways of milking customers I (and many other) get few spam email less today. I have never liked Godaddy and I think I have only one domain with them, if it hasn't expired already.

I'm glad not all people think like you Hanz. I really do!

If you have a problem with Spam you should really question yourself why that is!
A lot of people complain about spam but they are also the ones giving out their email to anyone that may ask for it.

Use seperate email accounts and use one main email account for important correspondence.

Secondly if you agree with Godaddy's tactics then you would love to see every registrar doing the same i presume since this in your view would greatly help reducing spam?

Am i right?

Then you would not mind if the registrar where most of your domain or websites that earn you money would enforce the same policy as Godaddy?
Since you agree with Godaddy's methods, right?

Conclusion would be you like to put yourself in danger!
Since anyone could report your website or domain and let you pay $199 (if they would charge the same ammount) for something that has not been proven!

If you would only to see Godaddy continuing this policy or in any specific country you are truly hypocritical IMO.

And you may be critical of russians sites but the fact is that most Spam originates from the U.S. and can you back your claims up that 50% is involved with illegal activities?
I don't think you can and it's just something that you suck out of your thumb.

FYI here is a article about U.S. and spam: http://weblog.infoworld.com/techwatch/archives/006025.html

Godaddy won me a backorder of Smugglings.com and then it dissapeared from my account into name.net ... Not happy with GoDaddy .. I hope they do get sued.

Damion said:

If you have a problem with Spam you should really question yourself why that is!
A lot of people complain about spam but they are also the ones giving out their email to anyone that may ask for it.

Use seperate email accounts and use one main email account for important correspondence.

Click to expand...

well, when you build a website then it is usually good idea to put your email address on it, so people could contact you. But somehow they get your email address even when you use some kind of contact form or change @ to [a]. And yes, I use seperate email accounts, I have about 10 different email acccount that I check every day (and some that I have forgotten).

Damion said:

Secondly if you agree with Godaddy's tactics then you would love to see every registrar doing the same i presume since this in your view would greatly help reducing spam?

Am i right?

Then you would not mind if the registrar where most of your domain or websites that earn you money would enforce the same policy as Godaddy?
Since you agree with Godaddy's methods, right?

Conclusion would be you like to put yourself in danger!
Since anyone could report your website or domain and let you pay $199 (if they would charge the same ammount) for something that has not been proven!

Click to expand...

I never said I aree with their tactics, I just said that I can understand why they did that. Yes, their tactics weren't the best, they could have done it some better way, but they didn't. I didn't read the whole press-release, but shomehow I have a feeling that this is not the first time Godaddy has problems with them. Even Godaddy wouldn't take that radical actions as first solution. And I wouldn't say that spamhaus.org is just anyone.
BTW do you know what happens when fake PayPal site is found from server where your sites are hosted? The whole server gets taken down, it doesn't matter how many honest customers there are. I have had this problem with one host and I didn't like it, but probably it saved some people a lot of money.

Damion said:

If you would only to see Godaddy continuing this policy or in any specific country you are truly hypocritical IMO.

Click to expand...

That may be hypocritical, but we all know that some countries have more problems with it. China has problems with spam, Russia of course, and USA as you said, Estonia could even be in the list, but I wouldn't say that spam is too big problem around here, I would rather put it in the list because of warez.
Oo... and isn't PayPal doing the same. They only accept some countries because others have too big fround risk.

Damion said:

and can you back your claims up that 50% is involved with illegal activities?
I don't think you can and it's just something that you suck out of your thumb.

Click to expand...

yes, that is out of my thumb, but my thumb has been on some russian sites and what do you know, I cannot understand russina, but even I can understand that everything isn't as legal as it should be.

Yay, go down godaddy!

hanz said:

well, when you build a website then it is usually good idea to put your email address on it, so people could contact you. But somehow they get your email address even when you use some kind of contact form or change @ to [a]. And yes, I use seperate email accounts, I have about 10 different email acccount that I check every day (and some that I have forgotten).


I never said I aree with their tactics, I just said that I can understand why they did that. Yes, their tactics weren't the best, they could have done it some better way, but they didn't. I didn't read the whole press-release, but shomehow I have a feeling that this is not the first time Godaddy has problems with them. Even Godaddy wouldn't take that radical actions as first solution.

Click to expand...

Actually there where numerous complaints regarding Godaddy and this extortion issue. And regarding not agreeing and you understanding their tactics...see below.

And I wouldn't say that spamhaus.org is just anyone.
BTW do you know what happens when fake PayPal site is found from server where your sites are hosted? The whole server gets taken down, it doesn't matter how many honest customers there are. I have had this problem with one host and I didn't like it, but probably it saved some people a lot of money.

Click to expand...

It's one thing an account get's suspended and when before hand thorough investigation has been made to justify it but to suspend a account on advisement of a third party so no thorough investigation from Godaddy's part and charging $199 no matter what the outcome is just ludicrious and criminal.

Your argument of Paypal is irrelavant in this case IMO. It looks the same but it isn't.

That may be hypocritical, but we all know that some countries have more problems with it. China has problems with spam, Russia of course, and USA as you said, Estonia could even be in the list, but I wouldn't say that spam is too big problem around here, I would rather put it in the list because of warez.

Click to expand...

Your point? Your statement about Russia is not thought through and just makes no sense. Your follow up on this neither.

Oo... and isn't PayPal doing the same. They only accept some countries because others have too big fround risk.

Click to expand...

Once again bringing up Paypal is irrelavant in this case. Internet traffic is something entirely different then financial fraud.
If this would be your argument then the U.S. would be the first to be cutt of from the internet.

Your points just don't hold with reality.
You say you can understand their policy when in fact their policy is based on hear say from a third party. If one site would spam on a shared hosting then i would loose my account as well for a certain period at least.
That would be so great would it not? If you make money with your site?

Their policy doesn't help you at all! It only helps them to stuff their pockets!
In a criminalistic way may i ad.

yes, that is out of my thumb, but my thumb has been on some russian sites and what do you know, I cannot understand russina, but even I can understand that everything isn't as legal as it should be.

Click to expand...

What is your point when you say this? I really can't understand your position?

Damion said:

It's one thing an account get's suspended and when before hand thorough investigation has been made to justify it but to suspend a account on advisement of a third party so no thorough investigation from Godaddy's part and charging $199 no matter what the outcome is just ludicrious and criminal.

Click to expand...

As I said, spamhaus.org isn't just another third party. It is an organization whose mission is to track the spam and they have rather good reputation. If I were host or domain registrar then I wouldn't think too much after getting email from them (I guess you are happy now that I do not deal with hosting nor domains).
On the other hand Godaddy has no right to charge $199, they should just suspend those domains.

Damion said:

Your argument of Paypal is irrelavant in this case IMO. It looks the same but it isn't.

Click to expand...

Why? Yes, PayPal will first contact your datacenter, but if that doesn't help then I am sure they will also contact registrar and that domain will be taken down (maybe not 1399 domains, but at least that one).

Damion said:

Your point? Your statement about Russia is not thought through and just makes no sense. Your follow up on this neither.

Click to expand...

My point is very easy, russia has more problems with spamming, warez, hacking and illegal porn than most other countries. So if they would utilise this weird policy only on specific countries then russia should be in that list.

Damion said:

Once again bringing up Paypal is irrelavant in this case. Internet traffic is something entirely different then financial fraud.
If this would be your argument then the U.S. would be the first to be cutt of from the internet.

Click to expand...

Why is PayPal irrelavant? They have list of countries they accept, Godaddy would have list of countries that they apply this new weird policy. And spamming isn't just traffic, I am not sure, but I think it is illegal. And it can also cause financial loss (important mails may get lost, you have to buy spam filters, it may choke up your mailbox...)

Damion said:

Your points just don't hold with reality.
You say you can understand their policy when in fact their policy is based on hear say from a third party. If one site would spam on a shared hosting then i would loose my account as well for a certain period at least.
That would be so great would it not? If you make money with your site?

Click to expand...

Reality is that spamming is big problem and it must be stopped. Yes, I agree that Godaddy was a bit too rough when they blocked 1399 domains, but something has to be done. I am sure that host was contacted before, but as host did nothing then registrar (Godaddy) was their next stop, and that worked, maybe a bit too well, but at least they did something unlike that host. And I must say again, spamhaus.org isn't just another third party. If they would do that on my request, then there would be something wrong, but I see nothing wrong with spamhaus.org.

Damion said:

Their policy doesn't help you at all! It only helps them to stuff their pockets!
In a criminalistic way may i ad.

Click to expand...

I agree that they shouldn't ask money for that because they have no right to do so.

Damion said:

What is your point when you say this? I really can't understand your position?

Click to expand...

My point is very easy, russia has more problems with spamming, warez, hacking and illegal porn than most other countries.

Click to expand...

Yes, 50% was just a wild guess, but I am sure that these few sites that caused this situation weren't the only ones.

hanz said:

As I said, spamhaus.org isn't just another third party. It is an organization whose mission is to track the spam and they have rather good reputation. If I were host or domain registrar then I wouldn't think too much after getting email from them (I guess you are happy now that I do not deal with hosting nor domains).
On the other hand Godaddy has no right to charge $199, they should just suspend those domains.

Click to expand...

If you read the first post again you will see the following:-

wasistdas said:

The reason of the block, as stated by abuse department of GoDaddy, was two complains from Spamhаus.org that Majordomo clients sent spam. Both complains had no relation to Majordomo hosted clients. Two complains demonstrated by GoDaddy had nothing common with Majordomo and its clients.

Click to expand...

hanz said:

As I said, spamhaus.org isn't just another third party. It is an organization whose mission is to track the spam and they have rather good reputation.

Click to expand...

There are numerous organisations and companies dealing with this type of information so spamhous.org is indeed just another third party.
Just because they deal with spam information regarding blacklists and so on doesn't mean they shouldn't be questioned?

Third party reconmendations such as spamhous.org that doesn't hold any special kind of relationship with GD regarding taking up the task to do the thorough investigation that is needed is just not realistic!
Just because they deal constantly with spam information does not mean they have to swallow everything they say.

There is something that is called ''due dilligence'' you know? Something that Godaddy doesn't evidently understand and neither do you unfortunately.

To illustrate this better so you may have a better understanding of my position:
Example:

Company A is a supermarkt
Company B is a accounting agency
Company C is a respected anti-money laundring investigation company


According to your logic that you would even implement if you would have control over a hosting or domain registrar company as you have said...if Company C would complain about A to Company B and accuse them of money laundring then Company B should drop and put all work to a dead stop just because of a telephone call or email?

That's irresponsible and stupid!

Why? Yes, PayPal will first contact your datacenter, but if that doesn't help then I am sure they will also contact registrar and that domain will be taken down (maybe not 1399 domains, but at least that one).

Click to expand...

So what if you where out for the weekend? then they would take down your website only because they get a email of a accusation of Spam which in this case of above was totally unjustified and uncalled for.
And they even charge you $199!

Even if they wouldn't charge you $199 it's totally irresponsible to take down someones website just because of a email or phonecall that has no investigative back up to prove it!

Just as has happend: Two complains demonstrated by GoDaddy had nothing common with Majordomo and its clients.

My point is very easy, russia has more problems with spamming, warez, hacking and illegal porn than most other countries. So if they would utilise this weird policy only on specific countries then russia should be in that list.

Click to expand...

Yes you point is indeed very easy. In the way that is hasn't been thought through and it's irresponsible. Just because it sounds ''easy'' doesn't make it the right thing to do!

Then the U.S. should be according to your logic on that list as well since a very VERY large majority of spam originates from the U.S.
Yeah we should allow to let the U.S. be cutt of from the Internet? Unbelievable you could think like that!
Since this is your logic -->cut countries of from the Internet because a lot of the problematic issues that comes with the Internet originates from that certain country.

Then you could start counting U.S./ Taiwan/ China/ Russia/ Korea/ ...uhh how many countries left Boss? Just a couple of more! My obedient not thinking for yourself slave!

Can't you see that this is not the solution? It would only shift from country to country! before you know it there are no more countries left that is allowed to use the internet.

What about all those legitimate finacial institutions in Russia that needs the Internet to conduct their business? Just deny them the right to use the internet? Of course not!

What about from a political point of view? Nowadays because of the information technology mis-conducts of governments around the world are exposed more quickly then ever! Would you like to see Poetin have his way by not letting the world know what kind of Criminal he is?

THINK MAN! THINK!

Reality is that spamming is big problem and it must be stopped. Yes, I agree that Godaddy was a bit too rough when they blocked 1399 domains, but something has to be done. I am sure that host was contacted before, but as host did nothing then registrar (Godaddy) was their next stop, and that worked, maybe a bit too well, but at least they did something unlike that host. And I must say again, spamhaus.org isn't just another third party. If they would do that on my request, then there would be something wrong, but I see nothing wrong with spamhaus.org.

Click to expand...

Godaddy was irresponsible and stupid! Spamhous.org is just another third party that should not be believed on it's accusations with solid proof to back it up!
This was evidently the case since:

Two complains demonstrated by GoDaddy had nothing common with Majordomo and its clients.

You see?
Come on man!

Majordomo paid $199 for every blocking campaign, i.e. $398. Domains unblocked. Majordomo has hired lawers in the USA.

wow, i thought godaddy wouldn't budge on this. But shows how threating a sue can be.

I think GoDaddy sends a warning with a sufficient deadline before they block services ... I followed another case some time back and when there was some phish sites from a client of a company that was reselling GoDaddy services , they emailed them telling them to take the sites down ... the company investigated and cancelled a site of a client ... GoDaddy responded that there was more and they had until X day to take the site down ... they did not do it on time so GoDaddy pulled the switch ... you must not forget that a registrar in such a position is in a lot of ethical pressure ... if a phish is really "good" hundreds of people might be getting hooked every passing hour and thousands of dollars could be getting lost ...



Anti-SPAM and anti-abuse policies are in the TOS of GoDaddy and the company is trying hard to maintain a good reputation regarding abuse issues , because as a big company is in the "target" of many people (similar to attacks on Microsoft) ...











I think the $199 fine is there as a deterrent ... when you get a $100 speeding ticket it does not mean that the harm to the road that needs fixing (j/k) was $100 ... the fine is there so that you know that if you speed more than you should (and get caught) , you are going to pay a fine ... this will work as a deterrent (to the majority of people) so as not to speed ... similarly , the big $198 fine per domain is there so that individuals and companies are more concerned regarding conducting or allowing abuse ...











the fact that they did pay the $398 fine seems to indicate that they in fact accepted that there was some problem with two domains of their domains (either that or they quickly agreed to a settlement so as to get the rest of the sites up) ... again the fine is meant as an example so as resellers to monitor their services better and act faster on problems ... the fact that the only source of information on the issue is from Majordomo could possibly indicate that not all information regarding the issue is dissiminated (correspondance , warnings , deadlines) or that the information that is dissiminated is false/biased-so-as-to-create-impressions ("Two complains demonstrated by GoDaddy had nothing common with Majordomo and its clients") ...











spamhaus.org IS a third-party company , but it is very respected on its field ... of course that doesn't mean that they can't make mistakes (or receive fraudulent reports) but those are filtered by the deadline that a registrar gives for corrective action ... the fact that Majordomo payed the $398 implies , imo , that they did actually have some kind of a problem ...



it is true that a lot of SPiced hAM (and phishes) come from Russia but that does not constitute a reason for descrimination against that country , especially since there are thousands of legitimate sites which contribute a lot to that country and the net in general ... I think hanz did not actually profess descrimatory (towards Russians) measures or indiscrimination between innocent and guilty users , he just stated that Russia has a rather large number of spammers , maybe in a rather strange wording ...











SPAM is a very big problem (not the canned meat) ... just think for a second how "clean" and easily manageable your inbox would be if it wasn't for the V/AGRA and replica watches emails ... not to mention the constant investment tips (who reads those and who would invest upon a SPAM anyways ???) ... or those Re: , Fwd: , <no subject> emails , ugh ... I think spammers are the most sweared upon group of people ever ... think how many times you were waiting for a payment-for-a-domain-email (or some other correspondance) ... Yahoo goes "woosh" ... you look at the title ... you see "revolution in medicine" ....... "jack@ss" ... now multiply these swears by millions of people each day ... :lol:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff196582.htm

the english article if anyone still wants it