.tv Where is your opinion on .tv now ?

For now I view .TV as a longer-term play. When .TV domain sales are more in proportion to my inventory, my view will change. However, my best search-volume domains are .TV so I will selectively develop those as they fit into my interests and time. Others I may outsource though obviously managing hundreds of developed sites is not feasible.

Garptrader, how long is the time space you looked at. For me, I think .TV needs at leat 5 years to be significant EXTENSION. Hope I'm right....since I'm renewing my names in exes of 3 years. Hope not making a costly mistake.

MANO

equity78 said:

Many got excited and jumped into .tv for the first time in March with the elimination of premium renewal .tv. Others who were already involved got involved in a bigger way back in March.

How do you feel now vs March 18 ?

Better

Same

Worse

And why do you feel how you feel.

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Better.

My view prior to March was based on some preconceived notions that I've learned were wrong.

I wish I knew BEFORE March what I have learned since March - I would have made some "relatively" serious money.

It's a strange time though.

It's a sellers market (if you picked up GREAT keywords) and what a quick huge ROI - $10 to $1000+ ?

It's a buyers market (if you want to pick up GREAT keywords from the above). Especially those who are impatient or moving onto better times with a greater focus.

We are, in my opinion, seeing the quick ROI on names not matching long term plans, the need of some to pay the bills, with the subsequent buying of more strategic names.

Domainer to Domainer sales are usually considered a bad omen. I think here it is a real win-win. Portfolio balancing... you do it with your 401K/Pension Do it with your TVs

That said, I'm seeing a lot of movement in names with pricing ALL OVER THE MAP (and not just NP) - great names for $50 and horrible names for $1500+ but with .TV its ore EYE OF BEHOLDER than other tlds and my evaluations would be reversed by others.

One thing that IS clear. .TV is unique in terms of what works and what doesn't and I think you can see that with the savvy buyers or creative thinkers. I've finally realized what works for me... and it's not what works for others and I'm planning to get their soon. Hopefully you'll see less of me here - if not I've failed!

BUT IN THE END.... Who gives a crap what I think?

I give....since I'm so dump in digesting all you're saying.

I am feeling -very- upbeat right now.

speedaccu said:

I give....since I'm so dump in digesting all you're saying.

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You've picked up some good names. I think 5 years is too long. I think 3 years gives a great window of opportunity.

Also - buyers will perhaps react differently to a domain held for 3 years versus one that expired in 3 months (even if you know you intend to renew).

It's a good strategy if you have belief in your names.

What I or others think doesn't matter.

Well I have to agree with you on that DU, some names seem in reverse, selling for $30 that are imo far better than names selling for $1000. I got two phone calls from guys who have not been around for awhile because they were disgusted. Both asked are these prices real ? Well one said that, the other asked are you f***ing kidding me ?

I think waiting five years, waiting for what ? 100 more extensions, 1,000,000 more apps ? I think you stay small and nimble, flip what is flippable and develop what you know. Less is best unless you are wealthy and have many lines of cashflow. Again IMO

equity78 said:

I think you stay small and nimble, flip what is flippable and develop what you know. Less is best unless you are wealthy and have many lines of cashflow. Again IMO

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Best advice I've read in ages. It's why I say 3 years is Window of Opportunity and not a hold window.

Thanks Guys....now I understand.

I was not in goldrush but still i think i already have some good names and can take some in the near future.

.tv even if it is a cctld of a very small country, appears because of its 2 letters as a gtld for many people.

For many is a way to find their "name" for the net that is registered at the gtlds.

Will be boosted imo in near future because of Oprah and google mainly, but currently seems like a reseller market where NP tvers along with J Williams and some specific domain agencies have the 90% of it.

One big problem is that sedo seems a little "Strange" picking up .tvs for their auctions, giving a bad view of the extension outside and seems like a monopoly so far.Hope it will change if snapnames mainly will allow .tv at their daily listings (have an info for December).

Have to admit though that i am very satisfied with the extension so far as in less than 3 months took back all my investment on it, so all my .tvs are like "free" now.

The names i like i usually register for 3 years if it is a drop or hand reg taking advantage of $10 offer of many registrars.

manos

That's the key Manos selling some that gets all your cost out. That is smart move on your part.

Sedo is really a non event, this is the center of the .tv universe. Even if Sedo had blinking neon for .tv most end users would not be there glued to their auction.

For .tv it should be push to auction at NP and NOT Sedo. For $60 you will get $60 not giving $50 to SEDO if there is only one bidder. How much exposure does someone think they are getting for their average $60 .TV on Sedo ? Not much. Again IMO

Worse

Too many good names and not enough funds to buy them.
High competition on domainer to domainer market + on catching expired/dropped names.

It's worse for me personally, but maybe is good for the extension. IMO

defaultuser said:

Domainer to Domainer sales are usually considered a bad omen. I think here it is a real win-win. Portfolio balancing... you do it with your 401K/Pension Do it with your TVs

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i dont think d2d sales are ever a bad thing. they do serve to find a floor for common names of a type. of course when the floor is low it makes it tough to justify higher asking prices. i havnt been getting many end-user inquiries but i did get one not long ago where the would be buyer was pretty savvy on the current state and thought they could get a name from me cheap. fat chance but if it'd been someone else owning it well ya never know.

the fact is these are economically unstable and unpredictable times. everyone is playing with a lot less cash than before and worried things will get even worse. no matter what anyone thinks of .tv as an extension this reality must be faced.

the 2nd big bugaboo is the emerging app world. no domain neccesary. this is exactly the kind of technological innovation that many of us have been concerned about since domains were discovered as an investment. and who knows what else is to come??? 5 years from now domains may be as popular as land lines. i've built up a mighty collection and i'd be lyin thru my teeth if i said i wasnt worried.

despite this domains are still one of the most undervalued asset classes, if not the most. theres enormous hidden value that doesnt often translate well to sales prices but a good use for a good name could literally be worth *millions* in brand equity right from the get go. .com is the one tld most think to build something substantial on and is still by far the most recognizable domain but cc's work great too if the use/business is local to the region. the only other tld i think can work well to a branders advantage is .tv since everyone everywhere knows what "tv" and when they see anything.tv they have a an immediate built-in perception of credibility. for the right use a .tv can be just as or even more valuable than a .com.

my best advice to every one is find a good name, a very good name, and then find good partners, so that together you can turn some of that hidden equity into real dollars. of course this is a lot easier to say than do. good luck to all!

I think its a great time for buyers.

i think the value will increase over time , its just up to your personal agender as to what you want. the more .tv exposure i see the better i feel about it as an extension, but i do think we should all develop at least one name

It's worse for me for the last two years. I cut down to 10% at .TV.

I still own some .TV for development at acceptable maintenance (renewal cost).

There are so many keywords .TV available to purchase but no one is buying.

IMHO, maybe good for you.