.mobi News, shopping, jewelry.mobi unsold from TRAFFIC?

yeah, just seen this.
he's bought them, he just needs to flip them apparently, he's allowed to.

actually the breaking news element of this for me RJ, is that you received this email. so.... been bidding on mobis have we? :hehe: :sold:

Maybe he's just from Southern Cal. and No longer has a Home.

arnie said:

yeah, just seen this.
he's bought them, he just needs to flip them apparently, he's allowed to.

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Agreed. But why does moniker seem so anxious to find a buyer if that is the case?

arnie said:

he's bought them, he just needs to flip them apparently, he's allowed to.

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Coming from Moniker and marked "urgent", this looks more like a non-paying bidder than a quick flip.

arnie said:

actually the breaking news element of this for me RJ, is that you received this email. so.... been bidding on mobis have we? :hehe: :sold:

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Not recently. They must have sent the email out to all silent auction bidders.

arnie said:

yeah, just seen this.
he's bought them, he just needs to flip them apparently, he's allowed to.

actually the breaking news element of this for me RJ, is that you received this email. so.... been bidding on mobis have we? :hehe: :sold:

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Im not going to speak for RJ , but alot of folks have recieved this Email and have stated they DID NOT BID on ANY Dot MObis at the auction.

I dunno, the language used appears pretty tight that he/she paid and possesses.

"The buyer/bidder .. wants to sell .. at cost due to other financial obligations. Here is a list of .. names sold at TRAFFIC to one bidder that now wants to sell them for cost."

Perhaps, they are offering customer service to big buyer with a seller commission and trying not to tarnish the auction's image.

bad sign.
If these names are so hot, what the deal to sell them ?
price.mobi Silent $3,993.00 ??? 4K for the golden Term price and none bought it yet ??

bad sign

teabag said:

bad sign.
If these names are so hot, what the deal to sell them ?
price.mobi Silent $3,993.00 ??? 4K for the golden Term price and none bought it yet ??

bad sign

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Did you see what Sahar had to say

SAHAR said:

Will we see others follow suit and sell, first at cost, and later at loss? .Mobi is a true case-study of crowd mentality. There were three domain heavyweights in the first auction (Rick Schwartz, Anything.com’s Larry Fischer and partners, and Webmagic founder Greg McLemore) that set the tone for many speculators to follow. The speculators thought the three knew something more then others (hack, some between the three thought the same on each other as well) and all hell broke loose.

The only one who I believe knew what he was doing, in my humble opinion, is Rick Schwartz. Rick knew very well his purchase was a long shot and took his chances, but it wasn’t as much based on .Mobi as it was circumstantial. The rest of the story about this I cannot disclose, but maybe Rick will one day, maybe he won’t.

In the final analysis, based on all I know, .Mobi = Total speculation. Highly unrecommended as a domain investment vehicle.

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http://www.conceptualist.com/

With all of the Volatility in the Stock Market, he may have taken a hit from there as well.

Who knows Really, but here's the RSS Feed,

http://www.domainnamenews.com/domain-aftermarket/mobi-buyers-remorse/

thegenius1 said:

Did you see what Sahar had to say



http://www.conceptualist.com/

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And here is my reply:

Is it really impossible to believe that it could be an ACTUAL family/personal issue that is preventing this person from keeping these names? Maybe they had a partner who backed out? Maybe they were not clear on the development requirements? Maybe they have had their bank accounts seized by the IRS?

It could be any number of possible reasons, but alas.. the naysayer majority all flow back to the ‘.mobi is a bad extension to invest in’ statements.

So, when the Cowboys returned cowboys.com last month, was it because .com is a bad extention to invest in, or was it for some other reason?

Over 550k .mobi names are registered in just over a year and thousands of reserved names are to be sold via this same auction platform. Eight names are bought and sold extremely fast for whatever reason the purchaser has… which is really none of our business.. and suddenly the sky is falling on the .mobi extension.

Anyone who manages to talk others out of investing in .mobi, helps the rest of us find and register great .mobi names. Keep it up.

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When will this ever end? Why do so many feel the need to try and talk people out of using .mobi? Why do so many care if they are not interested in investing? Seems time would be better spent on the extensions they DO like and building up their own portfolios/business/ppc empires.

The answer is totally obvious. The change in sentiment stems from the announcements by Firefox and Google to provide fully functional browsers along the lines of iPhone browser that will be compatible with all mobile phones.

This means that not only is the dot Mobi standard obscelete, but those who own dot Mobi domains will be restricted to applying these obscelete standards, just to support a lot of old legacy mobiles.

The Dot Mobi Dream is dead and buried. This buyer has seen the light is simply trying to turn the situation around without incurring a substantial financial loss.

Rubber Duck said:

The answer is totally obvious. The change in sentiment stems from the announcements by Firefox and Google to provide fully functional browsers along the lines of iPhone browser that will be compatible with all mobile phones.

This means that not only is the dot Mobi standard obscelete, but those who own dot Mobi domains will be restricted to applying these obscelete standards, just to support a lot of old legacy mobiles.

The Dot Mobi Dream is dead and buried. This buyer has seen the light is simply trying to turn the situation around without incurring a substantial financial loss.

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hmm ... over $750,000 just closed earlier today on some 60 odd names at sedo ... i wonder if they all knew of these advancements that render an entire extension 'obsolete'?

Rubber Duck said:

The answer is totally obvious. The change in sentiment stems from the announcements by Firefox and Google to provide fully functional browsers along the lines of iPhone browser that will be compatible with all mobile phones.

This means that not only is the dot Mobi standard obscelete, but those who own dot Mobi domains will be restricted to applying these obscelete standards, just to support a lot of old legacy mobiles.

The Dot Mobi Dream is dead and buried. This buyer has seen the light is simply trying to turn the situation around without incurring a substantial financial loss.

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Ahh, that clears it right up. Thank you for this inside information. You and the buyer are old friends that go way back I assume.

Rubber Duck said:

The answer is totally obvious. The change in sentiment stems from the announcements by Firefox and Google to provide fully functional browsers along the lines of iPhone browser that will be compatible with all mobile phones.

This means that not only is the dot Mobi standard obscelete, but those who own dot Mobi domains will be restricted to applying these obscelete standards, just to support a lot of old legacy mobiles.

The Dot Mobi Dream is dead and buried. This buyer has seen the light is simply trying to turn the situation around without incurring a substantial financial loss.

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I do not see any sense in that statement.

The new browsers and expensive phones are wonderful tools for those who can afford them. Yes, people with deep pockets can have the latest and greatest phones that will show the full web in chopped up slices with never-ending scrolling and zooming. That does not appeal to me in the slightest... especially for a whopping $500 on average.

Also, there are billions of people who do not have access to those phones or the money it will take to buy those phones. They may not have access to those phones for years to come. The majority of U.S. (not to mention other countries) phone packages do not include unlimited bandwidth, so downloading those big beautiful PC sites will cost a pretty penny for a while yet, and lets not forget the massive phone bills people received for roaming and downloading tons of email on those pretty, new, always on, hi-tech phones.

I think it will be a good amount of time before the whole world can use these new browsers and the need for steamlined low bandwidth sites is diminished. There are still too many sites in all extensions that need to clean up the sizes of their images, remove java, flash, etc and add device detectors and redirects before there is no longer a need for a standard like .mobi offers.

How many people are you willing to exclude in your business marketing? How many customers are you willing to exclude? IMO, a business must be able to reach as many customers as possible to be truly successful. But if you don't want them, I would bet my right arm there are a LOT of .mobi businesses who will be happy to take them off your hands

IMO, the whole idea behind .mobi and its standards is to allow everyone on every phone, no matter the type or age of the phone, to access the mobile web. That has not changed and I don't see if changing for a few years or more. By then, it will be common practice for ppl to type in .mobi first and then try other extensions. They will know they will be able to see a .mobi site for sure. The other extensions.. maybe.

That Must Explain this Last Minute Reg by Google Inc.,

Domain Name:OPENSOCIAL.MOBI
Created On:31-Oct-2007 01:33:57 UTC
Expiration Date:31-Oct-2008 01:33:57 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:1&1 Internet AG (83)
Created by Registrar:1&1 Internet AG (83)
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:SPAG-34865334
Registrant Name:Mark Costigan
Registrant Organization:Google, Inc.

Well for a start Dot Mobi is irrelevant to much of the developing World because it does not support the unicode scripts that most of these people use.

Big Business can see where things are going and the truth is most phones will have browsing similar to PC within a couple of years, except for perhaps the US where yes you do seem to be dealing with a legacy of obscelete infrastructure. By contrast most of the developing nations will have the latest technology that is light years ahead of tht of the US. Don't forget many of these place are leap frogging technologies. Many places are not even going for fixed line broadband at all! There mobile connection have to be able to handle a lot more than SMS.

The other big problem for businesses is not so much the design of the web-pages but if they have separate site for Mobile, the databases need synchronisation. It is quite possible for them to present the kind of compact web pages you are talking about within the confines of their dot com sites. By doing it this way they obviate the need to synchronise databases. Without such synchronisation, you will have two passenger per airline seat in a lot of instances.

I am afraid the truth is you have been sold a simplistic dream, and have fallen for it hook line and sinker. Most of the so called sponsors of Dot Mobi have moved onto the next thing, leaving you lot holding the baby.

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I do not see any sense in that statement.

The new browsers and expensive phones are wonderful tools for those who can afford them. Yes, people with deep pockets can have the latest and greatest phones that will show the full web in chopped up slices with never-ending scrolling and zooming. That does not appeal to me in the slightest... especially for a whopping $500 on average.

Also, there are billions of people who do not have access to those phones or the money it will take to buy those phones. They may not have access to those phones for years to come. The majority of U.S. (not to mention other countries) phone packages do not include unlimited bandwidth, so downloading those big beautiful PC sites will cost a pretty penny for a while yet, and lets not forget the massive phone bills people received for roaming and downloading tons of email on those pretty, new, always on, hi-tech phones.

I think it will be a good amount of time before the whole world can use these new browsers and the need for steamlined low bandwidth sites is diminished. There are still too many sites in all extensions that need to clean up the sizes of their images, remove java, flash, etc and add device detectors and redirects before there is no longer a need for a standard like .mobi offers.

How many people are you willing to exclude in your business marketing? How many customers are you willing to exclude? IMO, a business must be able to reach as many customers as possible to be truly successful. But if you don't want them, I would bet my right arm there are a LOT of .mobi businesses who will be happy to take them off your hands

IMO, the whole idea behind .mobi and its standards is to allow everyone on every phone, no matter the type or age of the phone, to access the mobile web. That has not changed and I don't see if changing for a few years or more. By then, it will be common practice for ppl to type in .mobi first and then try other extensions. They will know they will be able to see a .mobi site for sure. The other extensions.. maybe.

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Rubber Duck said:

The answer is totally obvious. The change in sentiment stems from the announcements by Firefox and Google to provide fully functional browsers along the lines of iPhone browser that will be compatible with all mobile phones.

This means that not only is the dot Mobi standard obscelete, but those who own dot Mobi domains will be restricted to applying these obscelete standards, just to support a lot of old legacy mobiles.

The Dot Mobi Dream is dead and buried. This buyer has seen the light is simply trying to turn the situation around without incurring a substantial financial loss.

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RubberDuck,

Why did Rachel, a Google customer service rep, suggest that I look at .mobi tools when building a MobileWebsite?

Why does Google showcase on their site .mobi tools/resources/guidelines on Google.com?
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=72462

Do you know the reasons for the buyer's release of the .mobi domains or are you spreading false rumors?

Perhaps, as Mej rightly stated, perhaps, it was a family tragedy, a foreclosure or other crises that caused this investor to sell?

But the "so-called experts," often get things wrong.

Experts who said dotMobi had no chance. And after a rocky college career, 6th round pick Tom Brady inevitably no future NFL career. The 1980 Miracle On Ice. All the experts who said to buy homes in 2006 and tech stocks in 2000.

It seems silly now. It was taken as gospel then.

So lesson to all now.

Be very careful when most say something is inevitable, like the death of dotMobi. It rarely is.

And as they say, history is defined not by things we expected, but by things we did not.

We know that. But we forget that.

Like the boxer playing it safe because he's ahead on all the judges' scorecards going into the final round, then ends up getting knocked out in the final round. Like IBM dismissing Microsoft in the 1970s. And Microsoft dismissing Google in the 1990s.

Until they don't. And the game plays on. Only this time without them, the Schillings, Sahirs and all naysayers, playing in it.

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Well for a start Dot Mobi is irrelevant to much of the developing World because it does not support the unicode scripts that most of these people use.

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Dot mobi does not support a lot of scripting that a lot of places use, simply becasue there is no 'constant'. There are so many different codes and scripts and applications being used by so many different palces/phones/devices.. that is what makes .mobi important for the mobile web as of RIGHT NOW. The standards are so that all phones all over can use at least one similar format and be viewable on all phones. At some point, the device manufacturers will get with the program and create devices similar enough so that there will not be a need for these standards and restrictions. But, for now, .mobi is the stand-in and will help with the growth of the mobile web so that these manufacturers will have a reason to come together and work towrds the common goal of the mobile web.

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Big Business can see where things are going and the truth is most phones will have browsing similar to PC within a couple of years, except for perhaps the US where yes you do seem to be dealing with a legacy of obscelete infrastructure. By contrast most of the developing nations will have the latest technology that is light years ahead of tht of the US. Don't forget many of these place are leap frogging technologies. Many places are not even going for fixed line broadband at all! There mobile connection have to be able to handle a lot more than SMS.

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Yes. agreed. But again, in the mean time.. while everyone catches up and gets on the same page, there is a need for a set of standards that will promote global growth for the mobile web. If it remains fractured the way it is now, there will be nothing to entice these companies to work together. There wil be some doing this, and some doing that, and others will remain stagnant in growth with few subscribers for their mobile web packages. It is necessary to have a common ground and access to everyone in the world before companies will risk the money it will take to move forward. They have to see the demand and desire for the mobile web. Again, .mobi is there to get that ball rolling.

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The other big problem for businesses is not so much the design of the web-pages but if they have separate site for Mobile, the databases need synchronisation. It is quite possible for them to present the kind of compact web pages you are talking about within the confines of their dot com sites. By doing it this way they obviate the need to synchronise databases. Without such synchronisation, you will have two passenger per airline seat in a lot of instances.

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We all agree, the mobile web is completely do-able w/o .mobi. Anyone can make a mobile site and anyone can add device detection. The problem is, unless a very large amount of site owners do this and they all agree on at least one subdomain or type of redirection that works on all devices, it will not catch on. If I want to surf the mbile web and tehre is no .mobi.. I will have to hack my way into many differnt doorways/subdomains and guess what the address for the mobile portion of the site is...m.site.com, mobile.site.com, wap.site.com,.site.com/mobile etc. Who wants to do that?
Its far easier to go with .mobi in that respect. Even if the .mobi name redirects to the subdomain or mobile extension of the .com site.. there is no guesswork and the branding of .mobi will get your mobile customers to your site.

With device detecting, that will be a whole other horse to break. There are hundreds of devices and the same # of browsers and types of phones that will all need seperate detecting to make the .com site available to all. Again, this is most likely a shorter term issue, but having the .mobi restrictions in use untill the point that all devices have similar browsers will only improve on the use of the mobile web, which again, will move the manufaturers to make changes more rapidly.

Rubber Duck said:

I am afraid the truth is you have been sold a simplistic dream, and have fallen for it hook line and sinker. Most of the so called sponsors of Dot Mobi have moved onto the next thing, leaving you lot holding the baby.

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I think that you and I are talking apples and oranges. The dream is not just in domain sales $$, its in the mobile web. We all have an opportunity to create some wonderful sites with fantastic domain names. Sites that everyone in the entire world can access before they see any other version on any other extension. So many people still do not have PCs.. but can access a mobile phone. Its not just about the flip

What I see in .mobi is not what you think I see. It is not the end of .com, nor is it a replacement for all other extensions. It is a beginning. Its what the mobile web needs to jump-start things. To get people all around the world using the mobile web so that the advances you speak of WILL happen. If there are no customers for the mobile internet and no desire or demand for it, why should the companies band together in any way to make these changes? We need a universal way for everyone to access it while its this young. A way for interest to grow that will force companies into action. WAP has been around for many years, but it has not gone anywhere. My guess is it is beacuse is was impossible to find them due to random and hard to recall addresses, and the huge fees paid to access them, on top of the time it takes to download. These are all still real issues today, but .mobi is helping with the growing pains with their restrictions and standards. It may just be a temp fix and all the device companies will come together with the mobile service providers and make it easier to see the PC web on every mobile device, but that will take time. We are banking on many remembering the .mobi extension and will continue to use it even after all the restrictions are removed.

In all honesty, every extension should be applauding .mobi and mtld for creating this opportunity. There is no denying, .mobi IS helping to get the mobile web rolling. Large corps are making mobile sites and new sites are going up daily. New advances are made every day that were not here before mtld started its campaign. Progress is being made daily and manufacturers are seeing the light. None of this was happening at even a fraction of the pace it is now.. ever since mtld started thier extension.

The investors would not have invested for a few pennies on each domain name registered after profit-share. They have a plan. We just are not in the loop. It will be interesting to see what happens.

BocaVision said:

Like IBM dismissing Microsoft in the 1970s. And Microsoft dismissing Google in the 1990s.

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Powerful comparisons there.

http://alexa.com/search?q_orig=mobi...r=url&site=&dmoz=&adult=maybe&traffic=&advs=y

http://alexa.com/search?q_orig=com&...r=url&site=&dmoz=&adult=maybe&traffic=&advs=y

http://alexa.com/search?q_orig=ws&q...r=url&site=&dmoz=&adult=maybe&traffic=&advs=y

Rubber Ducky, actually it's inurl:mobi site:mobi

Google Results: Results 1-10 of about 2,110,000 for inurl:mobi site:mobi

Not that is not my point.

My point is how many Dot Mobi domains actually have traffic on them? The answer is a lot fewer than even dot WS. You might be building lots of sites but up until now the evidence is that they are just roads to nowhere!

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http://alexa.com/search?q_orig=mobi...r=url&site=&dmoz=&adult=maybe&traffic=&advs=y

http://alexa.com/search?q_orig=com&...r=url&site=&dmoz=&adult=maybe&traffic=&advs=y

http://alexa.com/search?q_orig=ws&q...r=url&site=&dmoz=&adult=maybe&traffic=&advs=y

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OK, strange comparison. Lets play with that tho.

.mobi is 14 mos old
.ws is 7 years old
.com is 22 years old

Alexa- (yours)
Results 1 - 20 of about 20,000 for mobi
Results 1 - 20 of about 3,346,000 for ws
Results 1 - 20 of about 1,738,310,000 for com

Alexa with (dot)
Results 1 - 10 of about 540,000 for .mobi
Results 1 - 10 of about 14,996,000 for .ws
Results 1 - 10 of about 446,432,451 for .com

yahoo -
1-10 of 26,000,000 for .mobi
1-10 of 132,000,000 for .ws
1-10 of 20,500,000,000 for .com


Any way you slice it, .mobi is doing well for only being 14 mos old.. and having at least 3 of those mos with no idea how to make sites according to restrictions.

Rubber Duck said:

Not that is not my point.

My point is how many Dot Mobi domains actually have traffic on them? The answer is a lot fewer than even dot WS. You might be building lots of sites but up until now the evidence is that they are just roads to nowhere!

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Comparing .ws to .mobi is not realistic.

The mobile web is JUST NOW starting to move. The PC web has been here for decades. If you are going to compare that way.. how many .com sites were up and running in 1986.. one year after .com was released? How much traffic did those sites get back then?

2 different ball games here.

Well I was looking at it more in traffic rankings than the number of sites thrown up.

Your point about format restrictions is very valid. It means you are going to be locked into a format that makes no sense with the emergence of the latest mobile browsers that are in the pipe. It would seem that FF will run on Symbian, thereby giving proper access even to most of the handsets already in circulation. If you are worried about the establishment of mobile browsing you should do your case studies in the biggest markets, China and India. The bottom line is that mobile browsing is emerging very rapidly even if the US is dragging its heals a little. The problem though at least from a speculators perspective is that it will all happen without any real requirement for dot Mobi, indeed most people accessing the web via a mobile will probably never have heard of dot mobi.

mejcdj said:

OK, strange comparison. Lets play with that tho.

.mobi is 14 mos old
.ws is 7 years old
.com is 22 years old

Alexa- (yours)
Results 1 - 20 of about 20,000 for mobi
Results 1 - 20 of about 3,346,000 for ws
Results 1 - 20 of about 1,738,310,000 for com

Alexa with (dot)
Results 1 - 10 of about 540,000 for .mobi
Results 1 - 10 of about 14,996,000 for .ws
Results 1 - 10 of about 446,432,451 for .com

yahoo -
1-10 of 26,000,000 for .mobi
1-10 of 132,000,000 for .ws
1-10 of 20,500,000,000 for .com


Any way you slice it, .mobi is doing well for only being 14 mos old.. and having at least 3 of those mos with no idea how to make sites according to restrictions.

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NewWorldArk said:

Rubber Ducky, actually it's Site: .mobi

http://alexa.com/search?q=site:+.mobi&x=15&y=7

(Alexa) Results 1 - 10 of about 8,300,000 for site: .mobi

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Something strage at Alexa..

Results 1 - 10 of about 8,300,000 for site: .mobi
http://alexa.com/search?q=site:+.mobi


Results 1 - 10 of about 8,826,000 for site: .com
http://alexa.com/search?q=site:+.com

Results 1 - 10 of about 20,626,000 for site: .ws
http://alexa.com/search?q=site:+.ws

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