Google's Penguin - Consequences for Domainers

GiftedDomains · Apr 28, 2012

Google just flushed many keyword domains down the toilett. At least here in Germany its a disaster, From those websites who really lost a lot of positions or simply vanished, were nearly all keyword domains. Nearly no brands were punished.

Consequence: prices for keyword domain names will go down and domainers will have a hard time. Google is simply giving up his bonus for keyword domains.

Google already indirectly warned us last year,
(check out 2:23)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAWFv43qubI"]How important is it to have keywords in a domain name? - YouTube[/ame]

and now its happening slowly but surely.

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0St9B1kmJ2g"]Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google Penguin update (04-24-2012) - YouTube[/ame]

novatheory · Apr 29, 2012

It seems 1990's is gonna repeat itself. FTC is about to get in to Google's Biznass. Same stuff that the FTC did in 1990's to Microsoft that give birth to Google and others, is happening.

lennco · Apr 29, 2012

That might explain why one of my websites took a dump in rankings 4 days ago.
Went from page 1 and 2 on many keywords to page 5 and lower.

:td:

novatheory · Apr 29, 2012

lennco said:
That might explain why one of my websites took a dump in rankings 4 days ago.
Went from page 1 and 2 on many keywords to page 5 and lower.

:td:

Is still going trough changes. I am seen new sites moving to top 20, I see old sites jumping down and up. I see old sites moving to top 3. I am seen top 3 moving to below 6. IS CRAXY!!

JB Lions · Apr 29, 2012

"Consequence: prices for keyword domain names will go down and domainers will have a hard time."

Have to disagree. You have a nice 1 word/2 word generic .com, those are still going to be great for the reasons Matt gave in the video at the beginning. If you have some keyword-keyword-keyword.info/us/biz etc. maybe more those types. Those domains are more likely to be of the crapola variety. Depends on what you're talking about.

Just did a quick check - art, hotels, shoes, fabric all .com all #1 or #2 position on page 1 Google

2 word .coms - gift baskets, pet supplies those .coms all #1 or #2

Just checked my sites with targetted keywords in domains, still ranking fine.

Those good generic .coms besides having the targetted keywords, can be brands as well.

Will check again next few days/week.

novatheory · Apr 29, 2012

JB Lions said:
"Consequence: prices for keyword domain names will go down and domainers will have a hard time."

Have to disagree. You have a nice 1 word/2 word generic .com, those are still going to be great. If you have some keyword-keyword-keyword.info/us/biz etc. maybe more those types. Depends on what you're talking about.

Just did a quick check - art, hotels, shoes, fabric all .com all #1 or #2 position on page 1 Google

gift baskets, pet supplies those .coms all #1 or #2

I have to agree and disagree. Yes generic domains will still be top dollar, and generic-keyword.info/.us/.etc would see the drop. But I still think a good 3-4 keyword could be sold for good cash. I think we might see a raise of .pro well develop sites as well.

JB Lions · Apr 29, 2012

novatheory said:
I have to agree and disagree. Yes generic domains will still be top dollar, and generic-keyword.info/.us/.etc would see the drop. But I still think a good 3-4 keyword could be sold for good cash. I think we might see a raise of .pro well develop sites as well.

Oh, I agree, I just stopped at 1 and 2 word. You can make a factual video doing the opposite of what he said. You can find a bunch of keyword domains ranking nicely and then have some non keyword type domains buried in the SERPS. It's just one aspect, quality site is probably the most important. Plus, there is a world beyond Google, other factors to consider when deciding on a domain for your site.

alien51 · Apr 29, 2012

My competitor's Tweeter account is back on top.

Just an example:

His twitter account: twitter.com/orangejuice now outranks my domain orangejuice.com. Several weeks before, Google kicked him down the 2nd page. Now all of sudden, he rocketed back to No.1.

SK1990 · Apr 29, 2012

alien51 said:
My competitor's Tweeter account is back on top.

Just an example:

His twitter account: twitter.com/orangejuice now outranks my domain orangejuice.com. Several weeks before, Google kicked him down the 2nd page. Now all of sudden, he rocketed back to No.1.

Possibly because it's just a parked page.

Blake · Apr 29, 2012

JB Lions said:
"Consequence: prices for keyword domain names will go down and domainers will have a hard time."

Have to disagree. You have a nice 1 word/2 word generic .com, those are still going to be great for the reasons Matt gave in the video at the beginning. If you have some keyword-keyword-keyword.info/us/biz etc. maybe more those types. Those domains are more likely to be of the crapola variety. Depends on what you're talking about.

Just did a quick check - art, hotels, shoes, fabric all .com all #1 or #2 position on page 1 Google

2 word .coms - gift baskets, pet supplies those .coms all #1 or #2

Just checked my sites with targetted keywords in domains, still ranking fine.

Those good generic .coms besides having the targetted keywords, can be brands as well.

Will check again next few days/week.

JB,

I have to disagree with you and say my .info domains are doing fine if not better then before the algo change. I find that keyword stuffing goes on with .com far more often then .info and as such .com will soon see a fall as well. Personally if you do your development properly and such it shouldn't matter what extension your using. I'm happy with the new update it has knocked a lot of my competition into the abyss.

Blake

alien51 · Apr 29, 2012

SK1990 said:
Possibly because it's just a parked page.

If it was a parked page, it would have been deindexed in Google.

It's an elaborate minisite. lol. The thing is, i'm banking on the power of my "exact keyword domain"... and i still got beaten by a twitter account.

My elaborate minisite still ranks No.2, ahead of a lot of brandable well-established sites.

lennco · Apr 29, 2012

alien51 said:
My competitor's Tweeter account is back on top.

Just an example:

His twitter account: twitter.com/orangejuice now outranks my domain orangejuice.com. Several weeks before, Google kicked him down the 2nd page. Now all of sudden, he rocketed back to No.1.

You own OrangeJuice.com?
That should really fatten up your retirement fund.

Nice :gn:

JB Lions · Apr 29, 2012

Blake said:
JB,

I have to disagree with you and say my .info domains are doing fine if not better then before the algo change. I find that keyword stuffing goes on with .com far more often then .info and as such .com will soon see a fall as well. Personally if you do your development properly and such it shouldn't matter what extension your using. I'm happy with the new update it has knocked a lot of my competition into the abyss.

Blake

Said maybe

Agree with you on the development: "It's just one aspect, quality site is probably the most important. "

But this part have to disagree:

"I find that keyword stuffing goes on with .com far more often then .info and as such .com will soon see a fall as well."

I see it the other way, since .info were/are so cheap over the years. It's the cheapest mainstream type extension. Just as you're likely to find more spam on blogspot than wordpress. Again, development plays a major part. Crap is crap, regardless of what extension it's on.

.X. · Apr 29, 2012

<<<< Shakes his head and wonders why we keep playing these games, All take and no give, If there is ever a boycott, That will be a evolving positive move forward for the whole web.

alien51 · Apr 29, 2012

lennco said:
You own OrangeJuice.com?
That should really fatten up your retirement fund.

Nice :gn:

No. It's just an example. I don't want to reveal my domains in public.

SK1990 · Apr 29, 2012

alien51 said:
No. It's just an example. I don't want to reveal my domains in public.

When I mentioned the parked page it was because I checked orangeJuice.com not knowing it was just an example lol.

lennco · Apr 29, 2012

alien51 said:
No. It's just an example. I don't want to reveal my domains in public.

lol...Its late here, I should have noticed that.

JB Lions · Apr 29, 2012

alien51 said:
My competitor's Tweeter account is back on top.

Just an example:

His twitter account: twitter.com/orangejuice now outranks my domain orangejuice.com. Several weeks before, Google kicked him down the 2nd page. Now all of sudden, he rocketed back to No.1.

That's just Google trying to mix it up some. If there is a relevant Twitter account for any given search, good shot at it getting a decent ranking. I make one for every site I have and for one of my main sites, have seen it jumping around some. Right now page 1 for targetted term, in fact I have 3 out of the top 5 spots, main site, Twitter account, Squidoo lens, with the lens and Twitter account having links to main site. Coverage.

alien51 · Apr 29, 2012

Blake said:
Personally if you do your development properly and such it shouldn't matter what extension your using. I'm happy with the new update it has knocked a lot of my competition into the abyss.

That's true.

In fact, when i was researching on the internet myself (my mind was set on Snooki mode), i seriously devoured information published on websites never realizing (after i have spent a good 15 minutes on the site) that domain was a .INFO or a hyphenated .COM domain, or some weird brandable types like Granyanovski.COM (just a hypothetical example).

And yes, these domains were ranked on top of search results for the search terms i typed.

novatheory · Apr 29, 2012

Well on a positive note, got a mini site performing good and with CTR @ 11.11% and CPC 0.50. I am dancing naked (don't image that, bad for your brain)... woot woot

Fonzie · Apr 29, 2012

The reason this is so puzzling to 'domainers' is because essentially none of you are involved in relevant, front side eCommerce.

You're involved with splogs, sham development, "minisites", affiliate networking, Wordpress.

How you know if you fall into this category: If your main concern is "traffic and clicks" rather than "clients and relationships"...

Steven · Apr 29, 2012

This update boosted some of my websites' traffic by 100% - 800%.

novatheory · Apr 29, 2012

Fonzie said:
The reason this is so puzzling to 'domainers' is because essentially none of you are involved in relevant, front side eCommerce.

You're involved with splogs, sham development, "minisites", affiliate networking, Wordpress.

How you know if you fall into this category: If your main concern is "traffic and clicks" rather than "clients and relationships"...

:lol:

You give so much to this community, is just amazing.

First you generalize your comment saying and I quote - "none of you", then a few lines later you write the conditions that would qualify some one as?

Why someone with your experience and knowledge, don't explain to us what front side eCommerce means. Is that even a term? I have heard of front end eCommerce, but haven't head of front side. Are you trying to imply of user experience? I guess that would be a different topic, as well "clients and relationships".

MyFuture · Apr 29, 2012

Fonzie said:
The reason this is so puzzling to 'domainers' is because essentially none of you are involved in relevant, front side eCommerce.

You're involved with splogs, sham development, "minisites", affiliate networking, Wordpress.

How you know if you fall into this category: If your main concern is "traffic and clicks" rather than "clients and relationships"...

15 minutes of fame...and its so true.

novatheory · Apr 29, 2012

Steven said:
This update boosted some of my websites' traffic by 100% - 800%.

Nice. A have a client that analytics is showing a growth in traffic by 30% for a top keyword. Show me the money!! LOL

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