Legacy Google Keyword Tool is no more

DNabc · 09-24-2010, 12:41 PM

Google removed their legacy keyword tool:
https://adwords.google.com/select/Ke...rceLegacy=true
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/678850-legacy-google-keyword-tool-no-more.html

And you can read more here:
Updated Keyword Tool: Out of Beta - Inside AdWords

If they want to provide the new one, fine, but give us access to the old one. Only who really wants it and understand it's limitations go to that url!

I don't care if numbers were overestimated, it gave many more related phrases than this new one, and I know that some are really searched, it's not taken from anywhere else. I know this from my own experience, I know that particular market very well.

And note, I don't want to get all those suggestions. I just want to enter MY list of keywords and see the search number for those. If I select that option on the current interface I get 0 results!

If you want the other interface and results back, send that feedback to Google.

Fellow members, complain

bmugford · 09-24-2010, 01:50 PM

Yeah, the new tool is much worse. I would prefer to just get the search volume for the keywords I choose. As far as I know there is no way to remove suggestions like with the old tool.

Brad

DNabc · 09-24-2010, 02:30 PM

And they say this data is more accurate? Try broad search for macbook , country: germany, language: german. No results????

How is that right?

P.S. Brad, almost 5000 posts? Congrats!

HC82 · 09-24-2010, 03:44 PM

Terrible. The new one sucks.

venturefile.com · 09-24-2010, 03:45 PM

Yeah this is really bad. The new interface is just bad..

And the numbers are far far away from the ones before.. I just checked the exact searches of a few of my top domains, for keywords that i know the numbers in the previous interface, and they are off ever for 100k.. How is that possible?

The phrase search numbers are looking much more similar to the previous exact numbers..

I must say that this is just oonfusing..

bmugford · 09-24-2010, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by DNabc

P.S. Brad, almost 5000 posts? Congrats!

I better make my 5000th post worthwhile. Oops

Brad

DomainName1 · 09-24-2010, 03:55 PM

2 thumbs down...the new tool is terrible.

Bannen · 09-24-2010, 04:23 PM

I'm really missing most things about the previous interface; but when it all boils down, I only have one important question:
WHICH EXACT SEARCH AMOUNTS ARE/WERE ACCURATE?
In the old interface, the exact search amounts on almost all my names varied wildly with what the new interface says are exact searches. In a few names the number is in the same ball park, but in many other names the two figures are so far apart it begs the question, which is accurate?
If I had a name that the old 'exact' searches said 10,000, and the new interface says 'exact' 390, which is correct? That's a pretty darn wide gap there... a gap I'm seeing all too often with the new setup.

Which is the accurate figure?

the_poet · 09-24-2010, 04:25 PM

That's some sad news! I loved the previous version, the current is sh**ty!

Bannen · 09-24-2010, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

I better make my 5000th post worthwhile. Oops

Brad

You FOOL! You blew it. Only one chance to create a life-altering, world-helping 5000th post, certainly as important a decision as whether or not to have a child, or to travel to third world countries to try help those less fortunate, and you totally louse it up. I was going to give you $5K on your 5000th, but this proves you would be completely irresponsible and squander it on hookers, cigs and beer like you usually do. Sigh.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=678850
I will expect more from you on your 6000th.

venturefile.com · 09-24-2010, 04:28 PM

This is exactly what i was talking about.. I dont really care about the new interface, i will get used to it, but all i want to know is which info i should use when deciding on registering a new name..

Originally Posted by Bannen

I'm really missing most things about the previous interface; but when it all boils down, I only have one important question:
WHICH EXACT SEARCH AMOUNTS ARE/WERE ACCURATE?
In the old interface, the exact search amounts on almost all my names varied wildly with what the new interface says are exact searches. In a few names the number is in the same ball park, but in many other names the two figures are so far apart it begs the question, which is accurate?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=678850
If I had a name that the old 'exact' searches said 10,000, and the new interface says 'exact' 390, which is correct? That's a pretty darn wide gap there... a gap I'm seeing all too often with the new setup.

Which is the accurate figure?

Sparhawke · 09-24-2010, 04:34 PM

I hate the new one, it does not work half as well for what I want as the old version and doesn't even load in Opera.

It is useless.

You know when a beta version is being tested?
Does that mean that bugs are tested, feedback is collected and the kinks are worked out or does it mean that something that doesn't work is simply forced upon everyone?

What pisses me off more than anything is that they didn't even bother to check that it works in a major browser, and though Opera does not have anywhere near the usage of Firefox or IE it is still a major player...just completely ignored.

To quote Gordon Ramsay: "Bunch of ****ing muppets."

DomainName1 · 09-24-2010, 05:32 PM

the new version is still very slow...tick, tock, tick, tock...

Avabelle · 09-24-2010, 07:37 PM

I did all of my research using the old system - I don't understand the new one.

If anyone figures out a good alternative - please feel free to post it.

Thanks

ecalc · 09-24-2010, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bannen

WHICH EXACT SEARCH AMOUNTS ARE/WERE ACCURATE?

We may never know the answer but no big deal. The tool isn't designed for domainers but it's direct from the source and the price is right. It remains valuable despite the absolute volume uncertainty if the volume ratios are true. I'm seeing a narrow band (60-75%) drop across the board, new tool vs old, which gives me early confidence in the new tool. That magnitude reduction makes no sense since Google owns 85% of the market and they simply tossed out their partner's meager share, but again, domainers can use the imperfect data if it reliably compares keyword A to keyword B. My advice is to recalibrate based on the names in your portfolio. If 15,000 was the old green light, 6,000 may now signal go. Also sanity check other free keyword tools such as Keyword Discovery and SEObook.

liquidcherry · 09-24-2010, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sparhawke

I hate the new one, it does not work half as well for what I want as the old version and doesn't even load in Opera.

It is useless.

You know when a beta version is being tested?
Does that mean that bugs are tested, feedback is collected and the kinks are worked out or does it mean that something that doesn't work is simply forced upon everyone?

What pisses me off more than anything is that they didn't even bother to check that it works in a major browser, and though Opera does not have anywhere near the usage of Firefox or IE it is still a major player...just completely ignored.

To quote Gordon Ramsay: "Bunch of ****ing muppets."

All they care is chrome :-)
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Cheers

Liquid

Avabelle · 09-24-2010, 08:35 PM

Does anyone know how accurate Wordtracker is? And the price?

Is Wordtracker fairly easy to understand?

I am a newbie and totally lost without the old version

Bannen · 09-24-2010, 08:35 PM

A few of my minisite names (all dot.com), the old 'exact searches' compared to the new keyword tool:
Chlamydia in men - old about 13,000 new 2900
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=678850
5th wheel rv - old about 13,000 new 720
smiley piercing - old about 33,000 new 5400
neon sunglasses - old about 7,000 new 1000
fake tattoo sleeves - old about 7,000 new 1600
pink digital camera - old about 74,000 new 4400 This is a HUGE difference

i Love You Pictures - old about 34,000 new 8100
slip on exhaust - old about 6000 new 720

The exact searches aren't important to a lot of domainers, but to those of use who buy or reg names for minisites, having accurate exact monthly searches is possibly the primary factor in most of our decisions to get a name. Appreciate if anyone knows of a tool we can use that has accurate numbers. And would sure be nice to know whether it's the old or the new google numbers that are accurate, as you can see by my above examples there are some huge differences, differences that are definitely large enough to have affected my buying or regging certain names if I had known the search numbers were inaccurate or overblown.

futuretaster · 09-24-2010, 09:32 PM

ah, so google have changed their algorithm big style - i thought i was going mad the first time i used their new dynamic search.
I think liquidcherry is correct - google want users to migrate to Chrome.

ecalc · 09-24-2010, 09:53 PM

No keyword tool is bulletproof. Reduce risk by using multiple tools to find strong numbers across the board. Raise the bar (higher search, fewer words) if regs underperform. The registries are littered with available 3-word names that have direct and search traffic potential.

[rar file opener]
adwords old 18,100
adwords new 8,100
keyword discovery 64
seobook 34
wordtracker 20

liquidcherry · 09-24-2010, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by eco-scheme

ah, so google have changed their algorithm big style - i thought i was going mad the first time i used their new dynamic search.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=678850
I think liquidcherry is correct - google want users to migrate to Chrome.

THX eco, now it is time to rep me!!!

Cheers

Liquid :-)

daj · 09-24-2010, 10:56 PM

This affects everyone. Practically all domainers & website owners have relied on google's keyword tool for exact search data when thinking about buying a certain domain, getting into a certain niche, and writing an article. Many buyers will only buy domains that have 1,000+ exact searches and those will be extra hard to come by. I guess you'll just have to base registering domains now on past sales data and current trends.

Estibot.com seems to still be using data from google's old search tool. So you can check there to see how it values a domain.

Sparhawke · 09-24-2010, 11:54 PM

So all this time everyone has been basing their whole strategy on Googles so called "infallible" technology and it has been a fraud?

Isn't that nice and peachy?

DNabc · 09-25-2010, 12:58 AM

I sent an email to the Adwords team, complaining. If you feel the same, complain as well.

I want the data from your search partners, not just from Google.com
Google may have a big quota on the search market but it's a mistake to think it's all from people going directly to Google.com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=678850

There are portals with millions and millions of visitors that use their search, and now the new tool doesn't include that data.

Aren't those visitors as valuable as the others?

That is a BIG MISTAKE!

Now advertisers think that there is almost no market for some keywords, mistakingly!

The "advertisers" that asked for this change don't understand much about the internet world, sorry to say.

evirtual1 · 09-25-2010, 04:16 PM

how can we compress the results i wonder , takes forever to scroll down while only seeing a few results at a time

09-24-2010, 12:41 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
DNabc NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Domain Posts: 514 Follow @centraldomain	Legacy Google Keyword Tool is no more Google removed their legacy keyword tool: https://adwords.google.com/select/Ke...rceLegacy=true ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/678850-legacy-google-keyword-tool-no-more.html And you can read more here: Updated Keyword Tool: Out of Beta - Inside AdWords If they want to provide the new one, fine, but give us access to the old one. Only who really wants it and understand it's limitations go to that url! I don't care if numbers were overestimated, it gave many more related phrases than this new one, and I know that some are really searched, it's not taken from anywhere else. I know this from my own experience, I know that particular market very well. And note, I don't want to get all those suggestions. I just want to enter MY list of keywords and see the search number for those. If I select that option on the current interface I get 0 results! If you want the other interface and results back, send that feedback to Google. Fellow members, complain __________________ Partnerships : DN abc - Looking for domain partners - My best partners will get many valuable gifts.

09-24-2010, 01:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
bmugford www.DataCube.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,838	Yeah, the new tool is much worse. I would prefer to just get the search volume for the keywords I choose. As far as I know there is no way to remove suggestions like with the old tool. Brad __________________ DataCube.com - Buy and Sell Premium Domains

09-24-2010, 02:30 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
DNabc NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Domain Posts: 514 Follow @centraldomain	And they say this data is more accurate? Try broad search for macbook , country: germany, language: german. No results???? How is that right? P.S. Brad, almost 5000 posts? Congrats! __________________ Partnerships : DN abc - Looking for domain partners - My best partners will get many valuable gifts.

09-24-2010, 03:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
venturefile.com NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 473	Yeah this is really bad. The new interface is just bad.. And the numbers are far far away from the ones before.. I just checked the exact searches of a few of my top domains, for keywords that i know the numbers in the previous interface, and they are off ever for 100k.. How is that possible? The phrase search numbers are looking much more similar to the previous exact numbers.. I must say that this is just oonfusing.. __________________ Backlinks\|Nanny Cams Sick of spun sh*t content? Get 500 word UNIQUE articles on PR2 to PR6+ websites!\|

09-24-2010, 04:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bannen Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Beautiful British Columbia, Canada Posts: 2,621	I'm really missing most things about the previous interface; but when it all boils down, I only have one important question: WHICH EXACT SEARCH AMOUNTS ARE/WERE ACCURATE? In the old interface, the exact search amounts on almost all my names varied wildly with what the new interface says are exact searches. In a few names the number is in the same ball park, but in many other names the two figures are so far apart it begs the question, which is accurate? If I had a name that the old 'exact' searches said 10,000, and the new interface says 'exact' 390, which is correct? That's a pretty darn wide gap there... a gap I'm seeing all too often with the new setup. Which is the accurate figure? __________________ BANNEN'S Best Available Dot.Com's List!

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09-24-2010, 03:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
HC82 NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 112	Terrible. The new one sucks.

09-24-2010, 03:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
DomainName1 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 323	2 thumbs down...the new tool is terrible.

09-24-2010, 04:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
the_poet Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Web Posts: 4,648 Follow @ThePoet82	That's some sad news! I loved the previous version, the current is shty! __________________ RunningShoes.in @ just $300 on Sedo auction (RunningShoes.com sold for $700,000 in 2011) Coater.com** for sale - Premium industrial 1-worder.

09-24-2010, 04:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sparhawke Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: England Posts: 1,726	I hate the new one, it does not work half as well for what I want as the old version and doesn't even load in Opera. It is useless. You know when a beta version is being tested? Does that mean that bugs are tested, feedback is collected and the kinks are worked out or does it mean that something that doesn't work is simply forced upon everyone? What pisses me off more than anything is that they didn't even bother to check that it works in a major browser, and though Opera does not have anywhere near the usage of Firefox or IE it is still a major player...just completely ignored. To quote Gordon Ramsay: "Bunch of ***ing muppets." __________________ I taut I taw a Putty Tat Available Domain Names Last edited by Sparhawke; 09-24-2010 at 04:47 PM.*

09-24-2010, 05:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
DomainName1 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 323	the new version is still very slow...tick, tock, tick, tock...

09-24-2010, 07:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
Avabelle NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 360 Follow @kidstablet	I did all of my research using the old system - I don't understand the new one. If anyone figures out a good alternative - please feel free to post it. Thanks __________________ Clip Art Smart - Kids Tablets - Kids Tablet - Tablet for Kids - Breading Cats

09-24-2010, 08:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
Avabelle NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 360 Follow @kidstablet	Does anyone know how accurate Wordtracker is? And the price? Is Wordtracker fairly easy to understand? I am a newbie and totally lost without the old version __________________ Clip Art Smart - Kids Tablets - Kids Tablet - Tablet for Kids - Breading Cats

09-24-2010, 08:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bannen Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Beautiful British Columbia, Canada Posts: 2,621	A few of my minisite names (all dot.com), the old 'exact searches' compared to the new keyword tool: Chlamydia in men - old about 13,000 new 2900 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=678850 5th wheel rv - old about 13,000 new 720 smiley piercing - old about 33,000 new 5400 neon sunglasses - old about 7,000 new 1000 fake tattoo sleeves - old about 7,000 new 1600 pink digital camera - old about 74,000 new 4400 This is a HUGE difference i Love You Pictures - old about 34,000 new 8100 slip on exhaust - old about 6000 new 720 The exact searches aren't important to a lot of domainers, but to those of use who buy or reg names for minisites, having accurate exact monthly searches is possibly the primary factor in most of our decisions to get a name. Appreciate if anyone knows of a tool we can use that has accurate numbers. And would sure be nice to know whether it's the old or the new google numbers that are accurate, as you can see by my above examples there are some huge differences, differences that are definitely large enough to have affected my buying or regging certain names if I had known the search numbers were inaccurate or overblown. __________________ BANNEN'S Best Available Dot.Com's List!

09-24-2010, 09:32 PM	#19 (permalink)
futuretaster NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United States of England Posts: 192	ah, so google have changed their algorithm big style - i thought i was going mad the first time i used their new dynamic search. I think liquidcherry is correct - google want users to migrate to Chrome.

09-24-2010, 09:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
ecalc Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,102	No keyword tool is bulletproof. Reduce risk by using multiple tools to find strong numbers across the board. Raise the bar (higher search, fewer words) if regs underperform. The registries are littered with available 3-word names that have direct and search traffic potential. [rar file opener] adwords old 18,100 adwords new 8,100 keyword discovery 64 seobook 34 wordtracker 20

09-24-2010, 10:56 PM	#22 (permalink)
daj Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,073	This affects everyone. Practically all domainers & website owners have relied on google's keyword tool for exact search data when thinking about buying a certain domain, getting into a certain niche, and writing an article. Many buyers will only buy domains that have 1,000+ exact searches and those will be extra hard to come by. I guess you'll just have to base registering domains now on past sales data and current trends. Estibot.com seems to still be using data from google's old search tool. So you can check there to see how it values a domain.

09-24-2010, 11:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
Sparhawke Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: England Posts: 1,726	So all this time everyone has been basing their whole strategy on Googles so called "infallible" technology and it has been a fraud? Isn't that nice and peachy? __________________ I taut I taw a Putty Tat Available Domain Names

09-25-2010, 12:58 AM	THREAD STARTER #24 (permalink)
DNabc NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Domain Posts: 514 Follow @centraldomain	I sent an email to the Adwords team, complaining. If you feel the same, complain as well. I want the data from your search partners, not just from Google.com Google may have a big quota on the search market but it's a mistake to think it's all from people going directly to Google.com ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=678850 There are portals with millions and millions of visitors that use their search, and now the new tool doesn't include that data. Aren't those visitors as valuable as the others? That is a BIG MISTAKE! Now advertisers think that there is almost no market for some keywords, mistakingly! The "advertisers" that asked for this change don't understand much about the internet world, sorry to say. __________________ Partnerships : DN abc - Looking for domain partners - My best partners will get many valuable gifts.

09-25-2010, 04:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
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