RE For Real Estate? (Parte Deux)

I did a bit of digging on this. It turns out if you want a .re domain name, you will only get one if you have no intention of actually owning it. The guy basically registers the name in his name at say $30, and charges you 59 euros a year to use it but you have no access to it!

Hi Kevin,

Thank you for your Email, you’re welcome.

.re (for Reunion Island) , Reunion is French Island located in Indian Ocean within European community but not in European VAT area (Schengen), there are about 800 000 peoples living in Reunion.

Rules for .RE domain names registration are :
owner of .re domain MUST be
1/ corporate located in Reunion Island
or
2/ personal located in Reunion with a French trade Mark.

For .RE domains, in the WHOIS there are only data for the owner and data for technical (registrar), no other data level.

For above reason, as corporate I can supplies to you a perpetual exclusive licence of use for custom domain you wish ; In usual term that mean you can buying to me the exclusive right of use a .re domain name. You will not be owner of the domain name and you will not be mentioned on any part of the WHOIS data.

Annual fee for the perpetual right of use is 59 Euros/year. No other registration fee to pay

see attached example of licence & FAQs

Some activities are forbidden, regarding Parking I’m open

Because you will not be owner of domain, I can’t give you access to the domain setup panel (WHOIS modification & domain transfer are not allowed).
For using the domain you need a web/email hosting account from another suppliers than me, see FAQs n°3 for details.

By now, my licence don’t authorise the transfer of right of use to other, but if you wish to develop a domain and next to sell it (sell the exclusive right of use), I can modify my example licence. Rules in this case will be :
I need first to check new customer and if OK, then I take 10% of sale, and new licence is signed with new customer at same fees as starting (59 Euros /year).

Process to setup licence is :

Step 1
- Give me syntax of domain you wish
- I need to know what king of content/activities you plan to do with, and wish countries, region you will target customer

This is for I check there are no trade mark infringement and all respect the naming policy

Step 2
If step 1 ok, then I ask you to send me by email a copy :
*/ of your identity card (2 faces) or 4 first page of your passport
*/ an evidence of your postal address : example water invoice or telephone invoice, … this less old than 3 month.

Then I put your personal data and domain name in the same licence same as attached example, I send you by email, you print and sign by hand, next you send to me, next I sign, I send you licence, you pay (bank wire or PayPal) and I register the domain.

If you want I secure domain registration more quickly, I can register domain ending step1. Next you signs & you pay after.

If you have any question please let me know.

Kind regards.

Guy FRANKIN

Founder - Manager

Just to clarify... is this legal?

Are there risks doing it this way?

Regardless if it's legal (I believe it is as he is clearly stating that you will not be the legal owner - so the person is honest about the way it works), usually using a ccTLD as abbreviation for some term only works if the abbreviation already is widely used in everyday language. This is why .TV for Television is doing so well, while other attempts to "turn a ccTLD into a gTLD" were less successful. Take for example .WS for WebSite: the abbreviation .ws for WebSite is not used in everyday language so few people will make the connection. In the Philippines, it was tried to brand .PH for Phone, again a failure simply because people don't make that connection and thus saw it as a weird extention they found odd or hard to remember.

ccTLDs for non-local sites are good only if it makes sense to a large group of people. .TV does (Television, more people say TV than they say Television in full), .CD and .DJ may be borderline cases (especially CD could work if it was cheaper and if bands started using it to promote their music online) but every other example is too forced to work.

.SC = Science / Scotland
.MD = Medical Doctor
.ST = Street
.CC = Credit Card
.WS = World Site / Web Site
.SR = Senior
.FM / .AM = Radio sites (in theory makes sense but too few people use this term in daily language)
.TK = Telekommunikation (German but the abbreviation is not used in normal German language or press)


So to brand .RE for Real Estate?? It would be like trying to sell .ES for Employment Service ... As long as people won't know the abbrevation in daily language, it's pointless to think you can do the trick with a domainname.

Gerrit said:

Regardless if it's legal (I believe it is as he is clearly stating that you will not be the legal owner - so the person is honest about the way it works)

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Thanks for the info, I wasn't asking for myself, just for clarity in the forum.

I personally would not pay for a domain I can't fully own or control.

Thanks for the followup.. I'm not buying domains at the moment so figured I'd just pass on the info..

you would be crazy to do business this way

That you must to know is with AFNIC in fact there are NEVER owner of domain, like there are with .com.

This is because there is not a legal definition for domain name in FRANCE, it’s just doing by past legal judgement.

for .eu .fr .re and many other European dot it's usual to say "owner" , but if you read naming policy, there is only a licence for the right of use, they just says “holder of the domain”. The registry only know registrant as legal responsible.

They cant’say you are just owner because, they is not exact legal definition for domains.

From usuals .com owner I understand you're find this choking, but it's just reality.

But, it’s just legal/cultural difference, In fact what are difference between real owner of domain (. com case) and exclusive user under a perpetual licence the registry give you ?

This don’t stop .fr sale on sedo, .fr average value of individual sale are very good, more than .com or .de.

Regarding legal aspect for licence of use I made, it's just common right, AFNIC contract with registrar or AFNIC naming policy, don't say nothing regarding that.

There are thousands of licensee users on .fr this for foreigner not located in FRANCE, this is made under trustee/local service, and it’s very common. All big reseller system do it under the same kind of contract I sended to Kev.

Next month I should work with some of European biggest resellers...

On past, a juridical battle between AFNIC and EURODNS (many trademark infringement,...) AFNIC and judge say nothing wrong regarding trustee service it was used for .fr, in fact AFNIC policy say they only know the registrant as only legal responsible in any case.

For this reason trustee service / local service can never be same price as registration fee, kev if you read 5 pages licence I sended you, you could understand in fact Trustee is responsible of ALL regarding content you will publish and website and Email.

what is 59 euros by year comparing 250 USD reported in the begining of this theard ?

Difference is I clearly write you will not be owner, and many trustee agent are afraid to clearly write it, but even if you have acces to transfert or doing whois modification with them, they writed on contract this automaticaly stop the trustee/local service agrément,

That you must understand it is impossible to be legal owner of .fr, eu, re...if you are not in the condition of the naming policy (local residence)

One of the raison registrant must be local for .eu , fr , re is that legal authority want legal responsible on hand. They also afraid typo squatting, trade Mark infringement….in the reason they first authorise only corporate to register (this case was .fr in past, but it’s by now reunion) there is a cultural difference with US, in FRANCE (but not only) they prefer to go carefully to preserve corporate from many infringement by personal. In Reunion for example many corporate don’t yet have registered their dot.re, That mean authority afraid that personals will do many infringement….for this reason, when many corporate will be registered (some years), then they will open to personal located in Reunion.

Even is .fr & .re is more regulated, I own hundred of .re & .fr, I never have any legal case. Rules are well know, just need to be professional and respect them.

Regarding .re for the real estate sector, if you shearch " RE property" on google, what related information do you find ? ; One of the bigest US REAL ESTATE website name is REMAX, do they use RE for REUNION ISLAND, let me know ?

For me no hesitation, for these reasons I own so many generic names....and differents French tradeMark related to real estate & .re domains.

I'am curentelly setup a like private registry only focused on end-cliends in the real estate sector

I hope not being too long and this will help, let me know if you have any question.

Guy

It is true gold for me to have participation with forum members, this helping me to understand domainer opinions. Because domainer are trader, and generally not real end client of domain they buy. I well understand most prefer working with full open registry.

I think for the end client point of view, if they find RE good for real estate agent, or other use….there will not find so many problem regarding the “owner aspect” this because they just want to use it and with my licence they own the exclusive perpetual right of use the domain.

To say you thanks with the valuate feedback you give me,

To 5 first NP forum members they will contact me by PM for .re domain (by now Kev was the only first) I'm very happy to offer (0 Euros), for each member, one not registered (custom) .re domain under my perpetual licence of use. Just PM, give me syntax of domain, and next I sent to you licence & FAQs.

Other question/opinions in this post are very welcome, please let me know.

Guy