I think 1&1 is trying to steal my domain!?

briman1970 · 02-24-2006, 07:02 PM

Read the email below to see what I mean. This was sent to me today.

Attention: Brian Raymond, United
States

Re: Transfer of und1.com

The Schlund+Partner AG has received a request from

1&1 Internet AG D-56410 Montabaur, Elgendorfer Stra? 57 on behalf of 1&1
Internet AG

on 24-Feb-2006 for us to become the new registrar of record.

You have received this message because you are listed as the Registered
Name Holder or Administrative contact for this domain name in the WHOIS
database.

Please read the following important information about transferring your
domain name:

o You must agree to enter into a new Registration Agreement with us. You
can review the full terms and conditions of the Agreement at:
(edited)

o Once you have entered into the Agreement, the transfer will take place
within five(5) calendar days unless the current registrar of record
denies the request.

o Once a transfer takes place, you will not be able to transfer to
another registrar for 60 days, apart from a transfer back to the
original registrar in cases where both registrars so agree or where
a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs.

If you WISH TO PROCEED with the transfer, you must respond to this
message via one of the following methods (note if you do not respond
by 10-Mar-2006 und1.com will not be transferred to us.).

o Please go to our website
(edited)

to confirm.

If you DO NOT WANT the transfer to proceed, then don't respond to this
message.

If you have any questions about this process, please contact
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/170994-i-think-1-1-trying-steal.html
(edited)

With kind regards
your Schlund+Partner Team

Of course, I will not be responding to their message, because I don't want to just give them my domain for free.

I originally registered this domain within a few days of registering several other llln.com names. I liked this particular one because it was pronounceable and had a "1" at the end. I only recently made the mental connection that my domain is a kind-of mispelling of 1und1, which is the German version of 1and1, which is the only way to spell 1&1 when you put it in your web-browser. I parked the domain at Sedo with "und1" as the keyword because I wasn't sure what else to use. It had fair traffic from the beginning and gets around 170-280 uniques a month. I also bought und1 in .net, .biz and .info flavors as well, in case I wanted to develop them or someone wanted to buy them as a group in the future (I've done that with several of my short names). I guess my point is, I had no malicious intent when I reg'd the domain.

After I got the email, I checked uspto.gov to see what their actual trademark is. It's 1&1 (with the ampersand) and that's the only way they use it except for here on the net. It has an archive.org history but it's just an email link on each page.

Do you think they have any cause to try and seize my name? Is this an attempted robbery? How should I proceed? Should I contact their company or wait to see what happens? Should I contact ICANN or my registrar? Opinions anyone?

weblord · 02-24-2006, 07:12 PM

is it und1.com vs. 1and1.com ? i don't see any similarities but a misspelled traffic, if they're interested see what they can offer you about your domain, but it's a tm infringement to me

Peter · 02-25-2006, 07:09 AM

double check that it is not a spoofed email or that any url's in it are spoof url's.

Chances are it is somebody playing about.

OK · 02-25-2006, 07:15 AM

I don't see any TM issues. Transfer the domain to another registrar and leave 1and1 forever.

Dannoth · 02-25-2006, 08:55 AM

1and1 are just being gready

cache · 02-25-2006, 12:22 PM

it is hard to say whether it is a TM. With google, anything oogle is a problem.
und1 is similar in that respect.

floatingworld · 02-25-2006, 01:16 PM

ignore them. there is no 1:1 TM problem.

larky_starz · 02-25-2006, 01:37 PM

It could be a scam also. You know, you click on those links it tells you to click on, then it takes you somewhere different, you put in your information and they steal your account?

Earthian · 02-25-2006, 07:36 PM

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briman1970 · 02-25-2006, 09:26 PM

Thanks fellas! Any other advice please?

Steve · 02-25-2006, 09:38 PM

Ignore the email, the domain is yours and it's a random domain name. Three letters that are shared between 1and1.com and und1.com doesn't mean a trademark issue. If it was a problem, every site with the word "and" in its domain would be a trademark issue.

If there would be any issue with trademarks (highly unlikely) the only thing I could think of is the basketball company AND1.

Good luck, keep us updated!

briman1970 · 02-27-2006, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Etab

Ignore the email, the domain is yours and it's a random domain name. Three letters that are shared between 1and1.com and und1.com doesn't mean a trademark issue. If it was a problem, every site with the word "and" in its domain would be a trademark issue.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=170994

If there would be any issue with trademarks (highly unlikely) the only thing I could think of is the basketball company AND1.

Good luck, keep us updated!

I will keep you guys updated... thanks!

Bri

02-24-2006, 07:02 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
briman1970 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 3,088	I think 1&1 is trying to steal my domain!? Read the email below to see what I mean. This was sent to me today. Attention: Brian Raymond, United States Re: Transfer of und1.com The Schlund+Partner AG has received a request from 1&1 Internet AG D-56410 Montabaur, Elgendorfer Stra? 57 on behalf of 1&1 Internet AG on 24-Feb-2006 for us to become the new registrar of record. You have received this message because you are listed as the Registered Name Holder or Administrative contact for this domain name in the WHOIS database. Please read the following important information about transferring your domain name: o You must agree to enter into a new Registration Agreement with us. You can review the full terms and conditions of the Agreement at: (edited) o Once you have entered into the Agreement, the transfer will take place within five(5) calendar days unless the current registrar of record denies the request. o Once a transfer takes place, you will not be able to transfer to another registrar for 60 days, apart from a transfer back to the original registrar in cases where both registrars so agree or where a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs. If you WISH TO PROCEED with the transfer, you must respond to this message via one of the following methods (note if you do not respond by 10-Mar-2006 und1.com will not be transferred to us.). o Please go to our website (edited) to confirm. If you DO NOT WANT the transfer to proceed, then don't respond to this message. If you have any questions about this process, please contact ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/170994-i-think-1-1-trying-steal.html (edited) With kind regards your Schlund+Partner Team Of course, I will not be responding to their message, because I don't want to just give them my domain for free. I originally registered this domain within a few days of registering several other llln.com names. I liked this particular one because it was pronounceable and had a "1" at the end. I only recently made the mental connection that my domain is a kind-of mispelling of 1und1, which is the German version of 1and1, which is the only way to spell 1&1 when you put it in your web-browser. I parked the domain at Sedo with "und1" as the keyword because I wasn't sure what else to use. It had fair traffic from the beginning and gets around 170-280 uniques a month. I also bought und1 in .net, .biz and .info flavors as well, in case I wanted to develop them or someone wanted to buy them as a group in the future (I've done that with several of my short names). I guess my point is, I had no malicious intent when I reg'd the domain. After I got the email, I checked uspto.gov to see what their actual trademark is. It's 1&1 (with the ampersand) and that's the only way they use it except for here on the net. It has an archive.org history but it's just an email link on each page. Do you think they have any cause to try and seize my name? Is this an attempted robbery? How should I proceed? Should I contact their company or wait to see what happens? Should I contact ICANN or my registrar? Opinions anyone?

02-24-2006, 07:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
weblord NamePros Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philippines - www.Nabaza.com Posts: 19,784	is it und1.com vs. 1and1.com ? i don't see any similarities but a misspelled traffic, if they're interested see what they can offer you about your domain, but it's a tm infringement to me __________________ Nabaza.com - Amaia

02-25-2006, 07:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
OK NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 458	I don't see any TM issues. Transfer the domain to another registrar and leave 1and1 forever. __________________ Oleg

02-25-2006, 08:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dannoth NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 514	1and1 are just being gready __________________ Signature Coming Soon...

02-25-2006, 12:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
cache Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Goblin Wars Zone & California Posts: 4,471	it is hard to say whether it is a TM. With google, anything oogle is a problem. und1 is similar in that respect. __________________ LaFrance Hods Raids Trik OXSI GoblinWars IQx yPortal Idel enlo Kitu Hytu Albums eMontage Cereal Tarf MDTalks Toch TV vald hosy iBoar Glem wolk corg ypen DiTV

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02-25-2006, 07:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Peter NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,074	double check that it is not a spoofed email or that any url's in it are spoof url's. Chances are it is somebody playing about.

02-25-2006, 01:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
floatingworld dawnofthefloatingworld Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: nightlesscity Posts: 3,413	ignore them. there is no 1:1 TM problem.

02-25-2006, 01:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
larky_starz NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 455	It could be a scam also. You know, you click on those links it tells you to click on, then it takes you somewhere different, you put in your information and they steal your account?

02-25-2006, 07:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Earthian NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 926	:deleted: __________________ ██__________██ ██____e-vj____██ ██__________██ Last edited by Godian; 02-25-2006 at 08:43 PM.

02-25-2006, 09:26 PM	THREAD STARTER #10 (permalink)
briman1970 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 3,088	Thanks fellas! Any other advice please? __________________ Check out MY PORTFOLIO at Sedo!!! *(and if you feel froggy, make an offer on one of my domains!)*

02-25-2006, 09:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
Steve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,187	Ignore the email, the domain is yours and it's a random domain name. Three letters that are shared between 1and1.com and und1.com doesn't mean a trademark issue. If it was a problem, every site with the word "and" in its domain would be a trademark issue. If there would be any issue with trademarks (highly unlikely) the only thing I could think of is the basketball company AND1. Good luck, keep us updated! __________________ Steve NamePros Staff Emeritus

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