But at Godaddy networksolutionsarescammers.com is unavail

Ross · 01-08-2008, 12:59 PM

I think that you guys are over looking the potential of this and the reason it is prolly in place. If you really think about it this can be a very powerful tool, especially to a new business or a startup. A business usually does not just jump into buying a domain they brainstorm and have meetings to decide on what they will use. How would you feel if you were in meetings for a week deciding between 2 or 3 different names and then you come to find out when its all said and done that the name you just wasted 50 hours of your life deciding on is gone and has been hoarded by someone else?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/415767-network-solutions-unethical-go-hand-hand.html

I think this is why NetSol is held so highly by businesses and companies. Honestly i dont like it at all.

Is it ethical? No

Can it be used in an ethical way? Yes

Opinions?

-NC- · 01-08-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tivo

How would you feel if you were in meetings for a week deciding between 2 or 3 different names and then you come to find out when its all said and done that the name you just wasted 50 hours of your life deciding on is gone and has been hoarded by someone else?

Thing is, 50 hours of my life ( + the other people in the meeting ) makes it financially viable ( actually, necessary ) to just register all the names, then choose.
( even without tasting - just dropping the ones decided against )

As far as I can see, NetSol registering domains based on availability searches has no merit unless they are admitting that they are selling this data to others in real time, and therefore this is necessary to protect their customers.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
But then thats performing one unethical act in order to cover up another unethical act.

Seabass · 01-08-2008, 01:07 PM

Can you imagine how many more searches for domains are done than actual registrations?

There will be a ton of Whois' with this info.

gazzip · 01-08-2008, 01:12 PM

Sounds very dodgy and very unethical

I just tested a few too going from netsol first then to moniker and domainsite.com and they all showed as taken.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

But when I tried going from Netsol to eurodns.com it did'nt show as taken ?

I wonder if networksolutions are actually registering them or are they using some sort of script to track the IP of the user and then blocking the domain from being registered further down the line somehow ???

One way to find out is - can someone check the domain networksolutionsarescammers.com at a couple of different registers at your end to see if it shows as taken > then check it at netsol to see if it shows as available.

Then reverse the process.

..This is weired

and I'm very curious - Thanks

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Ross · 01-08-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by -NC-

Thing is, 50 hours of my life ( + the other people in the meeting ) makes it financially viable ( actually, necessary ) to just register all the names, then choose.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
( even without tasting - just dropping the ones decided against )

As far as I can see, NetSol registering domains based on availability searches has no merit unless they are admitting that they are selling this data to others in real time, and therefore this is necessary to protect their customers.
But then thats performing one unethical act in order to cover up another unethical act.

So if you owned a business and you have lets say about 70-100 names that your team came up with, you would reg them all at $35 a piece(considering they are a business lets say NetSol)? thats any where from $2450- $3500 wasted. As a business that is a huge expense no matter who you are.

Steve · 01-08-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Tivo

I think that you guys are over looking the potential of this and the reason it is prolly in place. If you really think about it this can be a very powerful tool, especially to a new business or a startup. A business usually does not just jump into buying a domain they brainstorm and have meetings to decide on what they will use. How would you feel if you were in meetings for a week deciding between 2 or 3 different names and then you come to find out when its all said and done that the name you just wasted 50 hours of your life deciding on is gone and has been hoarded by someone else?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

I think this is why NetSol is held so highly by businesses and companies. Honestly i dont like it at all.

Is it ethical? No

Can it be used in an ethical way? Yes

Opinions?

I don't think so. Once a serious set on a name, you grab a bunch of varieties -- at least that's the way I've seen things done. A company I've worked with took 26 domains upon the launch of a single product.

If it's anything original, which I'd assume it is, and it wasn't registered from the beginning of time up until now, who would take the name?

NetSol is used because they've been around a long time and have a lot of credibility. I personally don't think they're a very good organization, and this stunt is just another of example of why I feel that way.

Ross · 01-08-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by gazzip

Sounds very dodgy and very unethical

I just tested a few too going from netsol first then to moniker and domainsite.com and they all showed as taken.

But when I tried going from Netsol to eurodns.com it did'nt show as taken ?

I wonder if networksolutions are actually registering them or are they using some sort of script to track the IP of the user and then blocking the domain from being registered further down the line somehow ???
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

One way to find out is - can someone check the domain networksolutionsarescammers.com at a couple of different registers at your end to see if it shows as taken > then check it at netsol to see if it shows as available.

Then reverse the process.

..This is weired

and I'm very curious - Thanks

.

use a proxy. im pretty sure that will do it for you.

Alex · 01-08-2008, 01:17 PM

networksolutionsarescammers.com has a shiny page on it if you go and visit it. Try it!

gazzip · 01-08-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by npcomplete

Totally agree on the fun part. Apparently "asdf9akafmasd9fgar.com" is taken by netsol too. If it is a shopping cart thing, I wonder when it times out. The whois says it is reserved until Jan 8, 2009
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Marc

Strange, it shows as available when I do it with NetSol, maybe it is an IP thing happening ??

.

Originally Posted by alexsimon

networksolutionsarescammers.com has a shiny page on it if you go and visit it. Try it!

Wow, stranger by the minute - it says on the page This Domain is available - Get it Now!

Do you see that too ?

check this one I just checked 2 mins ago www.network-solutions-is-shit.com/

They instantly (2 mins) put up a page fro the domain you check, the bit I would like someon to answer is - on a name I have checked, once parked - does it show "This Domain is available - Get it Now!" for other people too or just me ?

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Alex · 01-08-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by gazzip

They instantly (2 mins) put up a page fro the domain you check, the bit I would like someon to answer is - on a name I have checked, once parked - does it show "This Domain is available - Get it Now!" for other people too or just me ?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
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Not just you ...

Don · 01-08-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tivo

I think that you guys are over looking the potential of this and the reason it is prolly in place. If you really think about it this can be a very powerful tool, especially to a new business or a startup. A business usually does not just jump into buying a domain they brainstorm and have meetings to decide on what they will use. How would you feel if you were in meetings for a week deciding between 2 or 3 different names and then you come to find out when its all said and done that the name you just wasted 50 hours of your life deciding on is gone and has been hoarded by someone else?

I don't see how this argument makes sense... since now every time anyone ramdomly types the names your company has checked into their browser... there's a page begging them to buy the domain.

I would think you'd lose more this way.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
They are obviously taking advantage of the SERPs/paid adverts... locking you into their pricing... ridiculous.

thetruman · 01-08-2008, 01:27 PM

yes, I get it too...

very very dodge.. can this be reported to ICANN somehow.?

thebutler · 01-08-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by gazzip

Strange, it shows as available when I do it with NetSol, maybe it is an IP thing happening ??
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Wow, stranger by the minute - it says on the page This Domain is available - Get it Now!

Do you see that too ?

check this one I just checked 2 mins ago www.network-solutions-is-shit.com/

They instantly (2 mins) put up a page fro the domain you check, the bit I would like someon to answer is - on a name I have checked, once parked - does it show "This Domain is available - Get it Now!" for other people too or just me ?

.

So are they paying anything to ICANN when they hold these (ie networksolutionsarescammers.com as one example). Interesting to see how long the name stay in limbo (four days or one).

gazzip · 01-08-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by alexsimon

Not just you ...

Thanks, that sucks !

dodgy dealings indeed ! That makes me think they are indeed registering them for the "free" period and will drop them if nobody else buys it, I'll check the ones I did in a few days.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

weired

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-NC- · 01-08-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tivo

So if you owned a business and you have lets say about 70-100 names that your team came up with, you would reg them all at $35 a piece(considering they are a business lets say NetSol)? thats any where from $2450- $3500 wasted. As a business that is a huge expense no matter who you are.

To be fair, your original post said 2-3 names. But I also disagree that $2450-$3500 is a huge expense for a business - compare it to how much you are paying all the people in the meeting. How much does it cost if a week of their time is wasted? If they're decision makers, they are probably not junior staff.

gazzip · 01-08-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by thebutler

So are they paying anything to ICANN when they hold these (ie networksolutionsarescammers.com as one example). Interesting to see how long the name stay in limbo (four days or one).

Not sure, I'll know in a few days or so

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

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Ross · 01-08-2008, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Whois Record
Registrant:
This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
US

Domain Name: NETWORKSOLUTIONSARESCAMMERS.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 08-Jan-2009.
Record created on 08-Jan-2008.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 15:29:13 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55
ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55

Wow...I think they actually register them at a cheap price and resell for $35.

Steve · 01-08-2008, 01:40 PM

I wonder how fast they'd drop the name if someone were to "almost" register a trademark-infringing domain and receive a C&D...

Honestly, NetSol lost all their remaining credibility.

rudyhernandez · 01-08-2008, 01:42 PM

The rest of the domain "public" is starting to hear about this.
I'm in awe.

gazzip · 01-08-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Etab

I wonder how fast they'd drop the name if someone were to "almost" register a trademark-infringing domain and receive a C&D...

Honestly, NetSol lost all their remaining credibility.

What, like this one ? - http://www.microsoftarescammers.com/

The next thing netsol will be doing is putting on PPC links on every name people check - would'nt that be something !
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

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**Mark** · 01-08-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by gazzip

The next thing netsol will be doing is putting on PPC links on every name people check - would'nt that be something !

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Actually : http://www.icann.org/topics/wildcard-history.html

At one point they were doing just that on .com and .net ...

You all seen how "Up in Arms" people in and out of the industry became over Mr. Ham doing this on .cm ?

Well - We were the same way just 5 years ago about the same thing on .com/.net ....

Ah , The good old days. Gone - But not forgotten

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Originally Posted by gazzip

Thanks, that sucks !

dodgy dealings indeed ! That makes me think they are indeed registering them for the "free" period and will drop them if nobody else buys it, I'll check the ones I did in a few days.

weired

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And will you be surprised to see DomainDoorman or another taster holding it 5 days later ?

sdsinc · 01-08-2008, 02:25 PM

OK I checked network-solutions-really-really-sucks.com at Dynadot -> available
Trying with Netsol -> available
Again with Dynadot -> taken

Now playing the devil's advocate: could it be that their scripts just secure your desired name to avoid being beat to someone else by a few seconds... (preemptive registration).
If you go to network-solutions-really-really-sucks.com
you CAN take it...

**Mark** · 01-08-2008, 02:29 PM

Yes - but it isnt reserved for just you .....

Anyone can register it.

gazzip · 01-08-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

OK I checked network-solutions-really-really-sucks.com at Dynadot -> available
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
Trying with Netsol -> available
Again with Dynadot -> taken

Now playing the devil's advocate: could it be that their scripts just secure your desired name to avoid being beat to someone else by a few seconds... (preemptive registration).
If you go to network-solutions-really-really-sucks.com
you CAN take it...

thats what I was intially trying to check, baring in mind there's been alot of talk about people checking a name and then finding out it has been taken 10 mins later by someone else.

However, so far this does not look like it was meant for that purpose, if it was I would not be able to go to the parked page that you checked network-solutions-really-really-sucks.com

and then click on This Domain is available - Get it Now! and then buy it.

The way I see it, NetSol is not exactly acting on behalf of the customer that searched the name.

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goodkarmaco · 01-08-2008, 02:41 PM

If industry leaders know about this and do nothing, then we are nothing.

Where are the advocates for domaining?. Ron at Dnj or some other person who we pay attention to needs to address this issue.

Someone should mention this to Rick Schwartz. I would like to hear what he says about this as his style of writting is so polite, lol.

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01-08-2008, 12:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ross Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,132	I think that you guys are over looking the potential of this and the reason it is prolly in place. If you really think about it this can be a very powerful tool, especially to a new business or a startup. A business usually does not just jump into buying a domain they brainstorm and have meetings to decide on what they will use. How would you feel if you were in meetings for a week deciding between 2 or 3 different names and then you come to find out when its all said and done that the name you just wasted 50 hours of your life deciding on is gone and has been hoarded by someone else? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/415767-network-solutions-unethical-go-hand-hand.html I think this is why NetSol is held so highly by businesses and companies. Honestly i dont like it at all. Is it ethical? No Can it be used in an ethical way? Yes Opinions?

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Seabass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,259	Can you imagine how many more searches for domains are done than actual registrations? There will be a ton of Whois' with this info.

01-08-2008, 01:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
gazzip First Time Poster ! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GB Posts: 6,881	Sounds very dodgy and very unethical I just tested a few too going from netsol first then to moniker and domainsite.com and they all showed as taken. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 But when I tried going from Netsol to eurodns.com it did'nt show as taken ? I wonder if networksolutions are actually registering them or are they using some sort of script to track the IP of the user and then blocking the domain from being registered further down the line somehow ??? One way to find out is - can someone check the domain networksolutionsarescammers.com at a couple of different registers at your end to see if it shows as taken > then check it at netsol to see if it shows as available. Then reverse the process. ..This is weired and I'm very curious - Thanks .

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rudyhernandez The brain Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 465	The rest of the domain "public" is starting to hear about this. I'm in awe.

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