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This is kind of a rant, because someone got needlessly hosed for five figures...Classic example of how much impact targeted exposure makes when selling *anything* very rare/unique and extremely desirable (a domain name, art, a $100,000 bottle of wine, whatever)

Back in May, someone stumbled into the Appraisal forum asking about Pepe.com.
http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/580322-domain-name-aprraisal-pepe-com.html
Meet the hose-ee.

Shockingly enough, he elected to sell this gem on BIDO of all places and it brought 15K. Oops.

Shameless self back-patting: I actually tweeted about it shortly after it sold.
Me:Pepe.com sold for 15K on BIDO. Note to self- do not sell good names on BIDO. That's a mind-bogglingly good brand platform worth much more. 12:56 PM Jan 17th via web Retweeted by 1 person

It was just flipped for 45,000 Euros and arguably, probably worth more to a buyer-and-holder.

This, ladies and gents, is why Tiffany's doesn't have a store in Gary, Indiana. This is also a classic example of how 'domainer to domainer' sales of fantastic names is simply chumming the water for the real sharks to swoop in, buy great names from clueless 'domainers' for pocket change and sell them to the right people for the right prices. Of course, it's pretty damn rare when a name of this caliber is actually listed on a site like BIDO (which may as well change to BIDO.vc, given the incessant stream of backwater TLD names they've been listing lately), but behold the unfortunate results of what happens when someone is actually dumb enough to try it.
 
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I have an IQ of 155. What's yours?

According to the average figure espoused by people on discussion forums citing their own IQ, mine would be about 842.
 
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There seems to be a theme running throughout this thread and others regarding using BIDO as the auction of last resort - can someone explain to me why - no chaff, just the facts please.
 
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Sorry for not paying closer attention to your signature. I can't believe I mistook you for a .tel supporter.

Congratulations on your insight though, you should be truly proud you spotted that undersold name.

Next time, if somebody doesn't share your exact opinion or decide to massage your ego over the most trivial accomplishment, don't take it so personally.
 
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Could've just been timing and luck. I've done it before, flipped a name I purchased on Afternic auction a few weeks later after being contacted from someone interested in the name. It was a bit of luck and timing and resulted in a 500%+ ROI.
 
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The sales venue isn't always a determinant of value...


I bought a name at Traffic, New York (a better platform that Bido?!) for mid $xx,xxx....Three months later I got an offer for it for mid $xxx,xxx....Over 3 times what I paid for it.


What does that say?


To me, it says BOTH luck and judgement...

Luck (for me) because a person (later) wanted that name at 3 x the price than anyone wanted to pay at the auction....

And, judgment, because it was a good name.


The Pepe.com sale/resale saga looks very similar to me......ie who saw it, and when...

The first seller was less lucky - The second seller was more lucky - And, the sales venue might have had very little to do with it.

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The sales venue isn't always a determinant of value...


I bought a name at Traffic, New York (a better platform that Bido?!) for mid $xx,xxx....Three months later I got an offer for it for mid $xxx,xxx....Over 3 times what I paid for it.


What does that say?


To me, it says BOTH luck and judgement...

Luck (for me) because a person (later) wanted that name at 3 x the price than anyone wanted to pay at the auction....

And, judgment, because it was a good name.


The Pepe.com sale/resale saga looks very similar to me......ie who saw it, and when...

The first seller was less lucky - The second seller was more lucky - And, the sales venue might have had very little to do with it.

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Your post precisely displays the mentality that separates winning poker players from losing poker players, winning businessmen from losing businessmen, winning traders from losing traders. I know you're a smart guy, so I just don't understand it, coming from you.

Luck can definitely play a role in anything. Luck is what keeps the losers coming back, however, probability wins out over time and continually taking positions with a negative expectation (ie- selling Pepe.com on BIDO rather than on, say, any other venue) and writing the outcome off to chance is the same flawed mentality that keeps the lights glowing in Las Vegas.

The fact is, the summary resale of this name for a substantial profit wasn't "luck". It was entirely contingent on the fact that it was initially sold in an inefficient marketplace- in this case, a HORRIBLY inefficient marketplace, given the magnitude of that name and the wares that are generally sold on BIDO

BIDO is a venue for domains that aren't in the same quality-universe as Pepe.com, so the buyers who buy names like that just aren't there, no different than people don't go antiquing at Wal Mart. I know that isn't what Sahar envisioned when he started it, but that's definitely what it's become... It would be like going to a country farm auction and trying to sell a Rembrandt. Maybe there are a couple rich farmers there who recognize it's value and fight over it, but at the end of the day, it's sale price in that inefficient venue is what leaves money on the table to 'profit' later on. Very little "luck" involved here, save for the people who were at that auction and lucky enough to have money fall from the sky like that.

This had very little to do with "luck" and everything to do with arbitraging the market differences between a place like BIDO and the value of Pepe.com in an open market, more targeted sale... Again. Writing this off to "luck" is why there are winners and losers. Maybe luck was a distant component, but it certainly wasn't the prevailing theme.
 
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BIDO is a venue for domains that aren't in the same quality-universe as Pepe.com, so the buyers who buy names like that just aren't there, no different than people don't go antiquing at Wal Mart. I know that isn't what Sahar envisioned when he started it, but that's definitely what it's become...

please can you state why you believe that to be the case with bido -instead of claiming it as fact. U r repeating what many other domainers have stated - im just curious as to why there is such negative sentiment with BIDO.

I have never bid or placed names on bido - so this is not a loaded question
 
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please can you state why you believe that to be the case with bido -instead of claiming it as fact. U r repeating what many other domainers have stated - im just curious as to why there is such negative sentiment with BIDO.

I have never bid or placed names on bido - so this is not a loaded question

I live in the city of Chicago, which is one of the few remaining places in the US that, for all intents and purposes, has a complete ban on handguns. It can be a very dangerous city in certain areas, so needless to say, good guys and bad guys alike routinely ignore this law in favor of their own most basic, self interests.

Some time back, a homeowner was charged for unlawful possession of an unregistered handgun after shooting an armed burglar who was breaking into his house. During his sentencing, the judge asked him why he felt the need to have a handgun.

Anyway, your question in this context kinda strikes me as being sorta similar to that. You're asking me why I believe the quality of buyers on BIDO is very low in a thread where the entire context of the discussion is basically evidence that affirms that claim.

As far as the quality of names on BIDO, that isn't even a relative question. They're usually garbage, with the occasional outlier. For example, here's the most recent list of names I got from BIDO.

Hello XXXXX

Today's upcoming auctions on Bido are:
03/11/2010 12:30 AM EST: 12lb.com
03/11/2010 9:00 AM EST: epaperwork.com
03/11/2010 9:01 AM EST: burgerpros.com
03/11/2010 9:02 AM EST: viperpit.com
03/11/2010 9:03 AM EST: mutualfundrisk.com
03/11/2010 9:04 AM EST: mutualfundreturn.com
03/11/2010 9:05 AM EST: tabletstylus.com
03/11/2010 9:13 AM EST: explores.de
03/11/2010 9:16 AM EST: announces.de
03/11/2010 9:23 AM EST: mystery.cc
03/11/2010 11:22 AM EST: langkawi.asia
03/11/2010 11:32 AM EST: sailors.in
03/11/2010 11:54 AM EST: girlsbicycles.net
03/11/2010 11:55 AM EST: womansshoes.net
03/11/2010 11:56 AM EST: buffalonickel.net
03/11/2010 11:57 AM EST: usedguitar.org
03/11/2010 11:58 AM EST: weightliftingsupplements.net
03/11/2010 11:59 AM EST: campingtrailers.org
03/11/2010 12:00 PM EST: romance.bz
03/11/2010 12:01 PM EST: desks.mx
03/11/2010 12:02 PM EST: 12-3.com
03/11/2010 12:03 PM EST: ecop.net
03/11/2010 12:04 PM EST: seasonaljobs.us
03/11/2010 12:05 PM EST: 3dfilms.org
03/11/2010 12:06 PM EST: icam.info
03/11/2010 12:07 PM EST: nationalservice.us
03/11/2010 12:08 PM EST: hdprinters.com
03/11/2010 12:09 PM EST: eaj.me
03/11/2010 12:10 PM EST: kiev.mx
03/11/2010 12:11 PM EST: edg.me
03/11/2010 12:12 PM EST: freevideos.cn
03/11/2010 12:15 PM EST: law.cx
03/11/2010 12:20 PM EST: isues.com
03/11/2010 12:26 PM EST: xeyk.com
03/11/2010 12:29 PM EST: partysupplier.net
03/11/2010 12:30 PM EST: usb2.us
03/11/2010 12:31 PM EST: industrialtools.net
03/11/2010 12:32 PM EST: fanfictionworld.com
03/11/2010 12:33 PM EST: amazingpets.us
03/11/2010 12:34 PM EST: creditvisa.net
03/11/2010 12:35 PM EST: cbd.co.uk
03/11/2010 12:36 PM EST: memorialsite.com
03/11/2010 12:37 PM EST: aboutthe.net
03/11/2010 12:38 PM EST: vjump.com
03/11/2010 12:39 PM EST: ifollower.com
03/11/2010 12:40 PM EST: convictsearch.com
03/11/2010 12:41 PM EST: bisonranching.com
03/11/2010 12:42 PM EST: correctiveeyesurgery.us
03/11/2010 12:43 PM EST: bangormaine.us
03/11/2010 12:44 PM EST: flowersfast.us
03/11/2010 12:45 PM EST: visamerchant.net
03/11/2010 12:46 PM EST: clinicalspecialist.org
03/11/2010 12:47 PM EST: printerinformation.com
03/11/2010 12:48 PM EST: creditdifficulty.com
03/11/2010 12:49 PM EST: sharefile.us
03/11/2010 12:50 PM EST: websitelayouts.net
03/11/2010 12:51 PM EST: allinstitutes.com
03/11/2010 12:52 PM EST: officeclients.com
03/11/2010 12:53 PM EST: siliconalley.us
03/11/2010 12:54 PM EST: militarysupply.us
03/11/2010 12:55 PM EST: newjerseygreenhomes.com
03/11/2010 12:56 PM EST: microfiberbag.com
03/11/2010 12:57 PM EST: landloancalculator.com
03/11/2010 12:58 PM EST: cheaptv.info
03/11/2010 12:59 PM EST: dreamweaver.in
03/11/2010 1:00 PM EST: optimaldeal.com
03/11/2010 1:01 PM EST: obamanomics.ws
03/11/2010 1:02 PM EST: browseanonymous.com
03/11/2010 1:03 PM EST: vgq.us
03/11/2010 1:04 PM EST: catbreeder.us
03/11/2010 1:05 PM EST: plastico.us
03/11/2010 1:06 PM EST: sitegaming.com
03/11/2010 1:07 PM EST: g5u.com
03/11/2010 1:08 PM EST: taggirls.com
03/11/2010 1:09 PM EST: biddable.com
03/11/2010 1:10 PM EST: sitelearn.com
03/11/2010 1:11 PM EST: stomachache.us
03/11/2010 1:12 PM EST: calorie.org
03/11/2010 1:13 PM EST: proprietorship.us
03/11/2010 1:14 PM EST: gastrologist.in
03/11/2010 1:15 PM EST: videogamestatistics.com
03/11/2010 1:16 PM EST: webdesignvalue.com
03/11/2010 1:17 PM EST: xdie.net
03/11/2010 1:18 PM EST: womensites.net
03/11/2010 1:19 PM EST: celebhairstyles.net
03/11/2010 1:20 PM EST: pokersite.tv
03/11/2010 1:21 PM EST: lengua.mx
03/11/2010 1:22 PM EST: mucky.org
03/11/2010 1:23 PM EST: inclusiveholidays.net
03/11/2010 1:24 PM EST: remortgagequote.net
03/11/2010 1:25 PM EST: lmbu.com
03/11/2010 1:26 PM EST: dieselvehicles.net
03/11/2010 1:27 PM EST: compactstereo.net
03/11/2010 1:28 PM EST: workoutmachines.net
03/11/2010 1:29 PM EST: firesuits.net
03/11/2010 1:30 PM EST: longbeachca.us
03/11/2010 1:31 PM EST: beachresortdeals.net
03/11/2010 1:32 PM EST: educationgrant.org
03/11/2010 1:33 PM EST: fotofido.com
03/11/2010 1:35 PM EST: mob.mx
03/11/2010 1:36 PM EST: webstudio.cc
03/11/2010 1:37 PM EST: avoidingforeclosure.us
03/11/2010 1:45 PM EST: ironshelving.com
03/11/2010 1:59 PM EST: womensfashion.in
03/11/2010 2:00 PM EST: youlisted.com
03/11/2010 2:01 PM EST: customlaptop.net
03/11/2010 2:02 PM EST: isaxophone.com
03/11/2010 2:05 PM EST: airborneshipping.com
03/11/2010 2:10 PM EST: ggas.net
03/11/2010 2:11 PM EST: shady.info
03/11/2010 2:15 PM EST: mobicreative.com
03/11/2010 2:25 PM EST: uzex.net
03/11/2010 3:00 PM EST: kitchenovens.net
03/11/2010 3:01 PM EST: msx.net
03/11/2010 3:03 PM EST: dasp.com
03/11/2010 3:04 PM EST: comedyvideos.net
03/11/2010 9:31 PM EST: altered.de

So you basically have about 90% complete trash, 9% that aren't totally awful by 2010 'domainer' standards and a scant handful that are semi-decent. There is nothing on that list that's within 1000 universes of a name like Pepe.com... and for the most part, this is what their lists look like, every time. I really hope you don't need me to articulate what the implications are of this, as far as BIDOs status as a buyers market and what sort of buying clientele these names are apt to attract.
 
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This isn't entirely accurate.
Domainers (the ones who actively buy with the express intent to resell) are arbitraging against a perfectly reasonable and understandable knowledge gap that exists between people who do this all day, every day and people who are more concerned with minding the affairs of their keyword-related business and don't have time to keep up with the minutiae of a market that's only tangentially related to what they do. This split in knowledge is where the profit exists between end users and domainers. Just as the farmer knows how a cold snap is going to affect the crop before that knowledge prices into the market at CBOT, we recognize certain dynamics pertaining to domain names before other, less interested parties by virtue of our intimate involvement in 'the game'.
I appreciate that. You took me too literally. The fact is that in a world of buyers and a world of sellers there are those that lose money and those that make money. I understand your feeling that the venue was wrong (and I agree).. Just stating the obvious... rather than the first person got screwed it was actually the last buyer that got screwed... the one in middle made money.

Your 800 IQ should have figured that out :)

That the end-user wasn't in on the auction is perfectly understandable.
The fact that someone would put a name like Pepe.com on that sales platform just boggles the mind.

As far as 'tweeting about it', I was pretty clear about that. To be honest, I don't know how strong of a play I would've made at that name, but I'm pretty confident I would've bid right around what it wound up selling for and I'm a seriously cheap SOB who generally can't afford to be spending that kind of money on domain names when an equal amount can net me much more when spent on meaningful development... but yeah, that right there was just flat out free money lying on the sidewalk.

So which was it? Money on the floor or something that you may have made a play at but not really sure :)

I actually agree with everything you've said. I miss your previous avatar.
 
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jjj.com was sold and resold for good profit within a year ......it happens
 
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Your post precisely displays the mentality that separates winning poker players from losing poker players, winning businessmen from losing businessmen, winning traders from losing traders. I know you're a smart guy, so I just don't understand it, coming from you.

No, I don't think my post displays anything remotely as you suggest, Dong.....I've never quite understood why you feel the need to wildly over-interpret, in some of your replies to posts.


My post simply recognises the reality that, even if you place your domain in a so-called good venue, you can still NOT sell at a top price (as per my example).....And, that good fortune can play a part, when the 'right' eyes happen to see it for sale - wherever that sale venue is.


I'm not arguing Bido was the best place to market this name, either (see my first post) - tho, I do allow the possibility that the occasional deep-pockets might wander in to Bido.


And, I'm not arguing that 'luck' is a core element in conducting smart business, or the making of a good sale - only that it can play a part, sometimes.


Essentially, we agree, of course.....Ferrari's generally do sell better anywhere, than in a ghetto...

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I live in the city of Chicago, which is one of the few remaining places in the US that, for all intents and purposes, has a complete ban on handguns. It can be a very dangerous city in certain areas, so needless to say, good guys and bad guys alike routinely ignore this law in favor of their own most basic, self interests.

Some time back, a homeowner was charged for unlawful possession of an unregistered handgun after shooting an armed burglar who was breaking into his house. During his sentencing, the judge asked him why he felt the need to have a handgun.

Anyway, your question in this context kinda strikes me as being sorta similar to that.....I really hope you don't need me to articulate what the implications are of this, as far as BIDOs status as a buyers market and what sort of buying clientele these names are apt to attract. .

Heaven forbid I ask you to articulate........just step back a second. What the hell does handguns and homeowners and judges have to do with a simple enquiry as to why BIDO has got such a bad rep amongst serious domainers.

No need to get sarky. Ive dropped better names than you have ever sold - so stop with the big boy routine...

And i find your "I mock those" signature line to sum yourself up . Maybe get yourself a nose job and you wont be such a miserable person to engage with.....
 
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What does it matter... unless it was Pepe jeans it's going to end up a parked page with ads... They should have WIPO'd it.. lol. But perhaps they did get TM'd afraid which people on NP's are banging on about endlessly.

Viva la stupid keyword internet!

Jose.com must be worth a fortune.
 
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bido is just a platform, if you are going to have a domain listed there, they give you plenty of time to 'invite' in the right buyers -- it should be your responsibilty if you want to sell to an enduser at enduser prices and not the normal resale crowd.

sometimes a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush so selling there may be a vialble alternative

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You don't take a Van Gogh painting down to the local grange to see how much 3 farmers would pay for it....

to my point, if you let enough of the right art dealers know about such a sale, they would be lined up outside of said grange
 
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to my point, if you let enough of the right art dealers know about such a sale, they would be lined up outside of said grange

Would you tell them that the auction would start at 2.12 am pacific time and run exactly 2 minutes... :)
 
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Heaven forbid I ask you to articulate........just step back a second. What the hell does handguns and homeowners and judges have to do with a simple enquiry as to why BIDO has got such a bad rep amongst serious domainers.

No need to get sarky. Ive dropped better names than you have ever sold - so stop with the big boy routine...

And i find your "I mock those" signature line to sum yourself up . Maybe get yourself a nose job and you wont be such a miserable person to engage with.....

Great Post Millers, Repped.


Hey Dong,
Everyone here knows you are somewhat intelligent because you can write a lot of big words very well.
BUT...
Does that give you the permission to absolutely rip everyone who disagrees with you, to shreds in every other post?
No!

Like I asked you in a previous thread, Are you the self proclaimed "Domaining (small "g") god" ?
Maybe your intelligence causes you to have a superiority complex, and everyone else around you just isn't even worthy of posting in the same thread as you?

You do realize that most of your posts whether trying to be helpful or not, seem to always cut someone down, (Bido, Owner of Pepe, Half of the Domainers on this Forum, etc.).
Your condescending, self serving remarks only make you look like a little 13 yr old Prima Donna Princess, and I am sure people here don't appreciate it one bit.

Bido has a $28.00 start price.

Sedo has a $60.00 start price.


So, of course Bido is going to have a lot of their domains as half the value of other Auction Venues.
They don't hide that fact.
As a matter of fact Bido has done more for the Domaining Community in the past year, than you will ever attempt to.
Just give it a rest, Jesus Christ!

BTW, Lets see YOUR Superior Portfolio.
 
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The sales venue isn't always a determinant of value...


I bought a name at Traffic, New York (a better platform that Bido?!) for mid $xx,xxx....Three months later I got an offer for it for mid $xxx,xxx....Over 3 times what I paid for it.


What does that say?


To me, it says BOTH luck and judgement...

Luck (for me) because a person (later) wanted that name at 3 x the price than anyone wanted to pay at the auction....

And, judgment, because it was a good name.


The Pepe.com sale/resale saga looks very similar to me......ie who saw it, and when...

The first seller was less lucky - The second seller was more lucky - And, the sales venue might have had very little to do with it.

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Great post :tu: there are only so many domainers with deep pockets and with more places selling domains it's harder for them to keep an eye on all of them. Luck and Timing are also important factors....not that many domainers would admit luck is important


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Heaven forbid I ask you to articulate........just step back a second. What the hell does handguns and homeowners and judges have to do with a simple enquiry as to why BIDO has got such a bad rep amongst serious domainers.

It was an illustration of how hilariously stupid it is to be perplexed as to 'why' when amidst context that displays 'why' with about as much subtlety as a cast iron frying pan over the head.

No need to get sarky. Ive dropped better names than you have ever sold - so stop with the big boy routine...

lol. You a betting man, MillersCrossing?

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Great Post Millers, Repped.


Hey Dong,
Everyone here knows you are somewhat intelligent because you can write a lot of big words very well.
BUT...
Does that give you the permission to absolutely rip everyone who disagrees with you, to shreds in every other post?
No!

Like I asked you in a previous thread, Are you the self proclaimed "Domaining (small "g") god" ?
Maybe your intelligence causes you to have a superiority complex, and everyone else around you just isn't even worthy of posting in the same thread as you?

You do realize that most of your posts whether trying to be helpful or not, seem to always cut someone down, (Bido, Owner of Pepe, Half of the Domainers on this Forum, etc.).
Your condescending, self serving remarks only make you look like a little 13 yr old Prima Donna Princess, and I am sure people here don't appreciate it one bit.

Crying, wounded, etc

Bido has a $28.00 start price.

Sedo has a $60.00 start price.


So, of course Bido is going to have a lot of their domains as half the value of other Auction Venues.
They don't hide that fact.
As a matter of fact Bido has done more for the Domaining Community in the past year, than you will ever attempt to.

Why did you even bother posting this?
No one here said "Bido isn't a good place to sell crap domains". The point is that BIDO is an awful place to sell great names. As far as what bido has 'done for the domaining community', it's basically stood itself as an example of how stupid 'domaining' is once you cross beneath a certain threshold of quality. Hope there were no 'big words' to trip you up here. Good luck with future endeavors. I'm sure you have a bright future.
 
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It was an illustration of how hilariously stupid it is to be perplexed as to 'why' when amidst context that displays 'why' with about as much subtlety as a cast iron frying pan over the head.
lol. You a betting man, MillersCrossing?

you know, having taken a second look at your avatar, I'm not convinced that's a nose, it could be a very well known two word phrase
 
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you know, having taken a second look at your avatar, I'm not convinced that's a nose, it could be a very well known two word phrase

Well, thats OK. You don't have to like me personally and I'll be weeping and writhing in agony over your dislike of me later on. The point here wasn't to get into personal pissing matches as much as it was to outline just how awful a sales venue BIDO appears to be for names like Pepe.com. As far as "why", it seems to answer it's own question.
 
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