Programming Resource Database

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 08:19 PM

Hi Everyone,
My question is I have a programming resources index , i just finished gathering informatin and submissions for the database . So far everything seems to be working fine for me. But my concern is how much to ask for it ?

It has
1565 ASP
2838 CGI
1080 JAVASCRIPTS
4213 PHP

9696 SCRIPTS LISTED

I know it's really hard to gather so much information and it already took time and effort.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/website-development/11615-programming-resource-database.html

If I sell it multiple times (Like 3 or 4 people) How much should i ask ?
If I sell a unique copy , how much should i ask ?

I know it doesn't provide a traffic , revenue generating site however I'm sure this database can generate traffic and revenue if you market it well .

Any inputs would be appreciated.

(No advertisement here , just trying to get ideas/inputs from experts)

GTech · 11-24-2003, 08:42 PM

Hi, I think I've seen your post on another forum.

I wish I were qualified to answer, but I'm not. I am a programmer, and would be interested in the resource myself. Personally, and possibly to start a site with. Probably more personally, as I stay pretty busy with web development and programming projects.

Is it in mySQL?

Taking a wild guess, if you found the right person(s) that were wanting to build a site like this, I'm sure it would be worth several hundred dollars to them. Time is money, money is time. Most people fit into one of those categories.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615

If you took a "Walmart" approach and sold it off to anyone wanting it, you might do better. Sell it as a personal resource.

Hope it works out, will keep an eye on the thread to see how it progresses.

Wade

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 08:45 PM

Thanks , I posted this on HHO and SPF also. As I didn't get a response from any of them i said let's give it a try and posted here.

Yes , it's mysql and uses (php script index - free php script)

GTech · 11-24-2003, 09:13 PM

SPF! I was hoping I was right, as I had this sudden feeling of deja vu

So are you planning on populating a site with the content, or having second thoughts and thinking about selling?

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 09:19 PM

I actually am thinking of populating but i need to know its worth.

Elefekt · 11-24-2003, 09:27 PM

It actually depends on the type of scripts. What I would do is make like a user type of thing where you can have membership for a few months etc.

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 09:30 PM

It depends on the type of scripts ? It's not a script database , it's a script resources database.

Am i missing something ?

Elefekt · 11-24-2003, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OnlyPhp.Com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615
It depends on the type of scripts ? It's not a script database , it's a script resources database.

Am i missing something ?

Yea I misread

sorry. I still take my idea of membership.

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 09:37 PM

Elefekt Can you explain it further ?
You mean i'll set a price and webmasters whoever wants to make a programming resource will pay and access to members area and download it .
Is that what you mean ?

redhippo · 11-24-2003, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OnlyPhp.Com
Hi Everyone,
My question is I have a programming resources index , i just finished gathering informatin and submissions for the database . So far everything seems to be working fine for me. But my concern is how much to ask for it ?

It has
1565 ASP
2838 CGI
1080 JAVASCRIPTS
4213 PHP

9696 SCRIPTS LISTED

I know it's really hard to gather so much information and it already took time and effort.

If I sell it multiple times (Like 3 or 4 people) How much should i ask ?
If I sell a unique copy , how much should i ask ?

I know it doesn't provide a traffic , revenue generating site however I'm sure this database can generate traffic and revenue if you market it well .

Any inputs would be appreciated.

(No advertisement here , just trying to get ideas/inputs from experts)

there other sites with some free. scripts. lots of competition.....BUT

since you spent time on the gathering.
I suggest you roughly calculate the time spent on the job($30-hr??

set your own rate+net fees+20-30%profit?

thats how i would do it??

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615

when can we check out the specs?

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 09:41 PM

you can see an online demo at : www.phplistings.com (needs a better design but that's all i could do within 10 minutes

)

BTW any appraisal would be appreciated please.

identity_00 · 11-24-2003, 10:18 PM

I would sell copies for $400.

I dont think a one time sale would be beneficial, maybe a 1,200 but that would be a tough sell. I would stick with the lower amount and sell several.

You would of course have to finish everything including the homepage. Seller friendly.

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 10:33 PM

Yes , but there is one thing and it's : Categories' dump files are seperated so as I'll be selling the database only the design is not that big problem.

Thanks for the input identity_00 That helps.

Chris_C · 11-24-2003, 10:40 PM

That's quite a useful resource you've compiled there but as a buyer I'd be concerned about what kind of licensing rights would be given with the database. I'm guessing this might be the reason behind why you haven't had many serious offers or appraisals on it yet.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615

I checked a few of the links and noticed that they were identical to the listing titles/descriptions at hotscripts.com. If you've used a bot to crawl some of the other resource sites on the internet without permission, there might be a can of legal worms opened up here.

What kind of agreement do you have with the owners of the sites you have listed in the index?

Where did you get the feed? i.e. is it going to be something that others can replicate easily?

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 10:47 PM

Quote:

i.e. is it going to be something that others can replicate easily?

That's what my concern is too.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615

I use hotscripts, resourceindex, scriptsearch and others to find decent scripts only. Mostly the best scripts are included, normal scripts too.I visited the site of the script, and write your my own description based on what I find. I then title the script correctly a give a link to the correct download page. This ensures that only relevant, upto date scripts and information is available.

There is not agreement with the owners of the sites I have listed as I'm not providing any personal information of their site.

I heard of bot to crawl sites and once someone else tried to sell it on Webhostingtalk and the links table was like :
http://www.hotscripts.com/cgi-bin/out.cgi....

But on my database it can easily be seen that all links were added manually.

BTW : For duplicates ; I'm not thinking of selling it to untrusted users . Buyer must have feedback on his/her earlier sales/buys. As we'll be making an agreement that database can never be (re-)sold unless he/she's selling the site which he setup the database with.

Chris_C · 11-24-2003, 11:02 PM

Quote:

There is not agreement with the owners of the sites I have listed as I'm not providing any personal information of their site.

This might be problematic in itself although I'll admit I'm not entirely sure. Namely, if you look at hotscripts' terms of service agreement submission agreement it's quite thick. That agreement only extends so far as hotscripts.com however. I can't *think* of any real problems in this respect, but then I'm guessing hotscripts did and also that's what a lawyer is for

I can immediately think of some implications for duplicate listings however. Assuming the site created off your database became successful, there's a chance one of these other sites might come after you. Namely, take the following two listings:

http://www.hotscripts.com/cgi-bin/se...em+2&catid=all

http://www.phplistings.com/CGI/view.php?id=1

I'm guessing that description probably is large enough to fall under copyright agreement. Who owns it? hotscripts? the poster? I'm really not sure but this is definitely something that should be looked into before any sales..

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-24-2003, 11:13 PM

I don't think there is a copyright problem.
I never said something like "We didn't gather info from other sites" but i said information was gathered from internet(programming sites) Such description can be found on http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Program...dvertisements/ too .

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Also you can see that when you click on it it displays different pages because it was double checked and entered to the database. That means csBanner 's information was gathered from Hotscripts. However who provided that information ? Ofcourse csbanner authors.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615

Chris_C · 11-24-2003, 11:35 PM

PM sent and I'm off to bed

cerebus · 11-25-2003, 01:32 AM

I think there's a copyright issue here, since compilations are often copyrighted, even though one post/category is not.

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-25-2003, 06:09 AM

cerebus like i said i don't see any problem like that.
As i mentioned :
Gathering information over internet and selling it is no illegal (Correct me if I'm wrong)
I'm not charging people for the database (Titles, Descriptions , Prices etc) I'm charging people to get services from me. I mean I spent time on gathering so much information over internet and I think my time means money also.

Also there is nothing unique here. For example my information ; If i submit my site to hotscripts and someone gets my link , title, description and publishes it on his website i think it's ok and nothing wrong with that. I would also appreciate the webmaster who took my information and linked to my website.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615

If there was something unique , stealing or such a thing , what you said would have been correct however this is just information and there is no need for an agreement between link owner and me. I'm not giving his personal information , I'm just giving the information he shared on the internet.

If Hotscripts, ScriptSearch , Resourceindex etc. published a tutorial , snipplets , script so If I used them and said these are mine then you'd be correct because they're the authors of that .

However there is no such issue here.

Chris_C ; Regarding your pm please investigate it further , I wouldn't like to see any negative feedback on my references also.

Thanks

GTech · 11-25-2003, 07:31 AM

Several ways you could market this. I sent a PM, but will share my thoughts here as well.

1) If you sold it as a personal reference; by that, I mean if you created a windows application to access the database content, and sold it as sort of a desktop reference tool, you might get $99.00 and bulk sell it. I'm thinking in terms of the cost of a few books bought at Amazon based on the content.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615

2) $300 to bulk sell it to potential web content providers looking to establish a community/site with this sort of content. In raw mySQL form, or even with some PHP behind it to break it down in categories.

I think you have a marketable resource. Unique? Somewhat, but I wouldn't hold out for a "highest bidder." If you feel you will not run into copyright issues, or people coming behind you saying "That was my article/submission and you didn't have my permission to compile it" then I would mass market it.

Of course, I'm simply giving you my perspective on it, so take it with a grain of salt.

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-25-2003, 07:46 AM

Wade I really appreciate your input . That's a

comment.

I think I'll populate the database by creating script directories and give it a try eh

Thanks

GTech · 11-25-2003, 08:25 AM

Best wishes OnlyPHP!

identity_00 · 11-25-2003, 09:25 AM

I think most people would like free advertising. If they think it is a copyright infrigdment or whatever..you just have to simply remove them.

I dont think your doing anything different than google.
Free advertising IMO.

OnlyPhp.Com · 11-25-2003, 09:48 AM

That's what i was trying to say

Thanks identity

11-24-2003, 08:19 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	Programming Resource Database Hi Everyone, My question is I have a programming resources index , i just finished gathering informatin and submissions for the database . So far everything seems to be working fine for me. But my concern is how much to ask for it ? It has 1565 ASP 2838 CGI 1080 JAVASCRIPTS 4213 PHP 9696 SCRIPTS LISTED I know it's really hard to gather so much information and it already took time and effort. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/website-development/11615-programming-resource-database.html If I sell it multiple times (Like 3 or 4 people) How much should i ask ? If I sell a unique copy , how much should i ask ? I know it doesn't provide a traffic , revenue generating site however I'm sure this database can generate traffic and revenue if you market it well . Any inputs would be appreciated. (No advertisement here , just trying to get ideas/inputs from experts) __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 08:45 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	Thanks , I posted this on HHO and SPF also. As I didn't get a response from any of them i said let's give it a try and posted here. Yes , it's mysql and uses (php script index - free php script) __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 09:19 PM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	I actually am thinking of populating but i need to know its worth. __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 09:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Elefekt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 3,529	It actually depends on the type of scripts. What I would do is make like a user type of thing where you can have membership for a few months etc. __________________ Standards Voice - Coming soon...

11-24-2003, 09:30 PM	THREAD STARTER #7 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	It depends on the type of scripts ? It's not a script database , it's a script resources database. Am i missing something ? __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
GTech NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 327	Hi, I think I've seen your post on another forum. I wish I were qualified to answer, but I'm not. I am a programmer, and would be interested in the resource myself. Personally, and possibly to start a site with. Probably more personally, as I stay pretty busy with web development and programming projects. Is it in mySQL? Taking a wild guess, if you found the right person(s) that were wanting to build a site like this, I'm sure it would be worth several hundred dollars to them. Time is money, money is time. Most people fit into one of those categories. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615 If you took a "Walmart" approach and sold it off to anyone wanting it, you might do better. Sell it as a personal resource. Hope it works out, will keep an eye on the thread to see how it progresses. Wade

11-24-2003, 09:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
GTech NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 327	SPF! I was hoping I was right, as I had this sudden feeling of deja vu So are you planning on populating a site with the content, or having second thoughts and thinking about selling?

11-24-2003, 09:37 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	Elefekt Can you explain it further ? You mean i'll set a price and webmasters whoever wants to make a programming resource will pay and access to members area and download it . Is that what you mean ? __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 09:41 PM	THREAD STARTER #11 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	you can see an online demo at : www.phplistings.com (needs a better design but that's all i could do within 10 minutes ) BTW any appraisal would be appreciated please. __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 10:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
identity_00 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 1,212	I would sell copies for $400. I dont think a one time sale would be beneficial, maybe a 1,200 but that would be a tough sell. I would stick with the lower amount and sell several. You would of course have to finish everything including the homepage. Seller friendly.

11-24-2003, 10:33 PM	THREAD STARTER #13 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	Yes , but there is one thing and it's : Categories' dump files are seperated so as I'll be selling the database only the design is not that big problem. Thanks for the input identity_00 That helps. __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 10:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
Chris_C NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 305	That's quite a useful resource you've compiled there but as a buyer I'd be concerned about what kind of licensing rights would be given with the database. I'm guessing this might be the reason behind why you haven't had many serious offers or appraisals on it yet. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615 I checked a few of the links and noticed that they were identical to the listing titles/descriptions at hotscripts.com. If you've used a bot to crawl some of the other resource sites on the internet without permission, there might be a can of legal worms opened up here. What kind of agreement do you have with the owners of the sites you have listed in the index? Where did you get the feed? i.e. is it going to be something that others can replicate easily? __________________ "There was a time when a fool and his money were soon parted, now it happens to everyone." -JM Keynes

11-24-2003, 11:13 PM	THREAD STARTER #17 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	I don't think there is a copyright problem. I never said something like "We didn't gather info from other sites" but i said information was gathered from internet(programming sites) Such description can be found on http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Program...dvertisements/ too . I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Also you can see that when you click on it it displays different pages because it was double checked and entered to the database. That means csBanner 's information was gathered from Hotscripts. However who provided that information ? Ofcourse csbanner authors. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615 __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-24-2003, 11:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Chris_C NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 305	PM sent and I'm off to bed __________________ "There was a time when a fool and his money were soon parted, now it happens to everyone." -JM Keynes

11-25-2003, 01:32 AM	#19 (permalink)
cerebus NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 395	I think there's a copyright issue here, since compilations are often copyrighted, even though one post/category is not.

11-25-2003, 06:09 AM	THREAD STARTER #20 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	cerebus like i said i don't see any problem like that. As i mentioned : Gathering information over internet and selling it is no illegal (Correct me if I'm wrong) I'm not charging people for the database (Titles, Descriptions , Prices etc) I'm charging people to get services from me. I mean I spent time on gathering so much information over internet and I think my time means money also. Also there is nothing unique here. For example my information ; If i submit my site to hotscripts and someone gets my link , title, description and publishes it on his website i think it's ok and nothing wrong with that. I would also appreciate the webmaster who took my information and linked to my website. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615 If there was something unique , stealing or such a thing , what you said would have been correct however this is just information and there is no need for an agreement between link owner and me. I'm not giving his personal information , I'm just giving the information he shared on the internet. If Hotscripts, ScriptSearch , Resourceindex etc. published a tutorial , snipplets , script so If I used them and said these are mine then you'd be correct because they're the authors of that . However there is no such issue here. Chris_C ; Regarding your pm please investigate it further , I wouldn't like to see any negative feedback on my references also. Thanks __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-25-2003, 07:31 AM	#21 (permalink)
GTech NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 327	Several ways you could market this. I sent a PM, but will share my thoughts here as well. 1) If you sold it as a personal reference; by that, I mean if you created a windows application to access the database content, and sold it as sort of a desktop reference tool, you might get $99.00 and bulk sell it. I'm thinking in terms of the cost of a few books bought at Amazon based on the content. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=11615 2) $300 to bulk sell it to potential web content providers looking to establish a community/site with this sort of content. In raw mySQL form, or even with some PHP behind it to break it down in categories. I think you have a marketable resource. Unique? Somewhat, but I wouldn't hold out for a "highest bidder." If you feel you will not run into copyright issues, or people coming behind you saying "That was my article/submission and you didn't have my permission to compile it" then I would mass market it. Of course, I'm simply giving you my perspective on it, so take it with a grain of salt.

11-25-2003, 07:46 AM	THREAD STARTER #22 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	Wade I really appreciate your input . That's a comment. I think I'll populate the database by creating script directories and give it a try eh Thanks __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

11-25-2003, 08:25 AM	#23 (permalink)
GTech NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 327	Best wishes OnlyPHP!

11-25-2003, 09:25 AM	#24 (permalink)
identity_00 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 1,212	I think most people would like free advertising. If they think it is a copyright infrigdment or whatever..you just have to simply remove them. I dont think your doing anything different than google. Free advertising IMO.

11-25-2003, 09:48 AM	THREAD STARTER #25 (permalink)
OnlyPhp.Com NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 122	That's what i was trying to say Thanks identity __________________ PROVIDING THE MOST USEFUL RESOURCES TO WEBMASTERS ! SUBMIT YOUR WEBMASTER RELATED SITE HERE ! :kickass:

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