domain philosophy.tv

Very Nice Name.

$200 - $4/500 here at NP.

AfterMarket and/or EndUser Sale outside of NP...
$x,xxx+
Sky's the limit.

Best of luck,
Vito

a cool name to develop. PM sent.

the dot stop said:

Very Nice Name.

$200 - $4/500 here at NP.

AfterMarket and/or EndUser Sale outside of NP...
$x,xxx+
Sky's the limit.

Best of luck,
Vito

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I agree with this valuation, just not the sky is the limit part.

Aloha!

I like the name, great reg.

I own Philosophical.tv

Mike

Won't put a price on it but I will say the value likely went up with PhilosTV.com launching a few months ago, in Sept. (the name was only regged in July).

I was happy to get a heads-up on the launch... not because its a tv.com, but a viewer of my SpeciesTV.com site thought I'd be interested.

The site is a hit, in its circle, and is finding its audience... as the format really works. I have yet to click away once I click play.

The presenters are so distinguished I think they will find an audience of sponsors as well.

Would say around $100, ok term though not much commercial relevance, not sure who would really pay a significant premium for it.

I would guess the reg fees will erode any potential margin within 2 to 3 years sans development.

MicroGuy said:

I would guess the reg fees will erode any potential margin within 2 to 3 years sans development.

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Agree, value wise I don't think it is a name worth holding for anything length of time if you've got $10 renewals on a $100 name.

There's a decent market for philosophy books, documentaries and courses. Sure, the dot tv isn't the most valuable extension but seeing the .co.uk sold for over 15k, there's clearly a market for the subject.

I bought this from someone who got this when the premiums were released. So there are at least two people who thought it was more valuable than $100 or $1000 for that matter. Also, I had higher offers than $100 on this domain.

Why would I pay a premium? I study philosophy, I want to develop this domain in the future.

I don't want to sound defensive but I believe you guys underestimate both the commercial value of the term and the personal value it has for some people. As I believe my examples proofed.

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what's with the abusive tags?

Agree elius.

I once heard a professor commented: 'American' Philosophy = gasoline philosophy (a valuation system based on commercial value & practical use).

Not sure if that's true?

It's understandable that Oil, Gas, Gold are more valuable to folks than Poetry, Philosophy, History...

Fortunately, the 'super' rich tend to get bored with commodity values quickly and usually shoot higher for the intangible (e.g. PHILOSOPHY .

Best wishes.

elius said:

I bought this from someone who got this when the premiums were released. So there are at least two people who thought it was more valuable than $100 or $1000 for that matter.

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Not sure what you mean, are you saying the prior owner paid over $1000? If not how do you justify that at least two people thought it was worth more than $1000?

elius said:

Why would I pay a premium? I study philosophy, I want to develop this domain in the future.

I don't want to sound defensive but I believe you guys underestimate both the commercial value of the term and the personal value it has for some people. As I believe my examples proofed.

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what's with the abusive tags?

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Buying something because you have in interest in the subject doesn't mean you got a great deal in terms of price, actually usually it works the other way around.

elius said:

what's with the abusive tags?

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Just ignore it, there is some people on this sub forum with issues.

Yes, I meant the previous owner and myself. I had some bids thru pm as well since I started this thread.

Maybe I shouldn't count myself but I bought it for development purposes and not for reselling so in this case I'm an enduser. I know I didn't pay reseller price. I just wondered how other people would appraise it.

My point is that $100 or even a few hundred is way less than was paid by the previous owner, by me or was offered through pm to me.

I presented a few arguments why the term and the specific domain has more value than some believe. I haven't seen much of an argument for the $100 appraisel, just opinions and attempts to counter my arguments.
Saying "no commercial value" without supporting it with arguments makes it just an opinion. It is also provably wrong.

snoop said:

Not sure what you mean, are you saying the prior owner paid over $1000? If not how do you justify that at least two people thought it was worth more than $1000?



Buying something because you have in interest in the subject doesn't mean you got a great deal in terms of price, actually usually it works the other way around.



Just ignore it, there is some people on this sub forum with issues.

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I see the name as having value greater than $100. If you know the topic and like the name that is most important. The name would get more than $100 at a wholesale level any day of the week. Again IMO

elius said:

Yes, I meant the previous owner and myself. I had some bids thru pm as well since I started this thread.

Maybe I shouldn't count myself but I bought it for development purposes and not for reselling so in this case I'm an enduser. I know I didn't pay reseller price. I just wondered how other people would appraise it.

My point is that $100 or even a few hundred is way less than was paid by the previous owner, by me or was offered through pm to me.

I presented a few arguments why the term and the specific domain has more value than some believe. I haven't seen much of an argument for the $100 appraisel, just opinions and attempts to counter my arguments.
Saying "no commercial value" without supporting it with arguments makes it just an opinion. It is also provably wrong.

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The name was bought for reg fee, was it not?

I didn't say it had no commercial value, I said I thought it was worth about $100, I said it has "ok term though not much commercial relevance". Not much commercial relevance is more a fact than an opinion in my view, you can look at the advertisers on google and see there is not much commercial relevance, all the ads relate to skincare because of the philosophy brand, there is nobody bidding $1 per click to get people to read a site about Plato.

domainacrobat said:

I agree with this valuation, just not the sky is the limit part.

Aloha!

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I agree with this.

I've seen names I think are equivalent sell for $400-600 this year and some similar (but for me better) at under $200.

Doesn't rule out more but I wouldn't expect a killer number. I don't think X,XXX is out of the question but it's less likely than the values above.

Philosophy is somewhat of a education market over a business market and extremely broad; however, it's a name that could be used in a business context but it's not a natural fit and someone would really want to do that.

My first thought was actually that there's a lotion called this This will massively skew any "exact" search numbers which is why I think Phrase searches are often actually more relevant.

But you bought the name because you have an interest - so why do you care what it's worth because it's likely worth more to you than anyone else. If you've had bids (plural) then you already have a realistic idea.

Finally - Snoop is ONLY PROVABLY wrong by actually making a sale.

If you REALLY think this name is valuable then you should also reg. Philosophe imho which is available still.

CAVEAT: I'm not sure anyone on this board really knows. Everyone here has passed over names for under $1K that have sold for more than > $10K and passed over names at < $50 that sold for > $1000

elius said:

I had an idea about it's value. It was confirmed by pm's

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People did appraisals via PM? Or people made offers via PM?

defaultuser said:

People did appraisals via PM? Or people made offers via PM?

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both and by several people

elius said:

lol, I don't like the odds at $1. I could lose it to some cheap bastard having a break.
I have the Dutch version also and I wanted to develop them but obviously it's taking some time

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Do you still intend to develop or just sell ?
If any, your development concept attached to the name could be much more valuable than the name alone.

elius said:

both and by several people

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Don't you wonder why Appraisals are done via PM?

It is the same old story, person puts name up for appraisal then argues about values they don't like, extending to wishy washy claims of offers. Lets look for a real verified sale, personally I don't think we'll be seeing it at the level talked about.

Hey Elius,

You need to really take these appraisals with a grain of salt.

Every domain is valued to everyone differently.

I would have paid prob $3K-ish for owning my own name, others here wouldn't have paid $10 for it.

People will always question anything that is written when you say yu were offered this much or that much - Thats just the nature of the beast.

Don't take it personally.

To someone who teaches an online class all about Philosophy it could be worth $10K. To some who have absolutely no interest in philosophy it is worthless.

Be confident. It is a very good name, and thats it but remember if you state that I sold this for $x,xxx, or I was offered $x,xxx for this, people will queston you. Whether you answer or not, up to you.

But if you put a "this is what I was offered matter of fact" out there, just be ready for some to say - Bull$hit

The whole name of the game here is money, and most everything done day in, and day out affects our Market so most people want that confirmation for their own sales/valuations/arguements, etc.

elius said:

I don't care if you think this domain is reg fee or if everybody thinks is regfee. I bought it for myself not for resell.

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Since you bought the name for yourself (like I bought my first name) then it is priceless, and asking anyone for their opinion really doesn't matter anyways so don't even create a debate here, just be confident and happy you own it, and develop it one day. You will never see me add Vito.tv to an appraisal thread. I don't care what anyone thinks about it. I would have paid $10K for it if I had that amount of money lying around.

Good Luck with it,
Vito

elius said:

Okay, I overlooked this post, my bad. I believe he paid $1000 because that was the premium fee.

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I believe it was a unregged $1000/year premium that was bought for normal Regfee this year.

The so called "former premium".

elius said:

I don't care if you think this domain is reg fee or if everybody thinks is regfee.

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I said I thought it was worth around $100, that is a lot different to reg fee.

elius said:

Maybe if you take the trouble to post an appraisal you could try to give arguments pro or con (whatever your position).

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I did that in my first post,

"Would say around $100, ok term though not much commercial relevance, not sure who would really pay a significant premium for it."

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defaultuser said:

I believe it was a unregged $1000/year premium that was bought for normal Regfree this year.

The so called "former premium".

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I that is the case as well, was not on the premium list.

It wasn't meant to be taken literally. I probably should have said; "even if you etc think it's reg fee"

To me the definition of an appraisal is putting a (monetary) label on the commercial relevance of a domain. So when you say it is worth $100 because of little commercial relevance you are basically saying the same thing twice. Of course your definitions may differ.

I was under the impression these former premiums where released by paying the premium fee once and after that normal reg fee. Apparently this was not the case.
I wasn't really interested in dot tv anymore except for this domain. When a lot of domains lost their premium status I only noticed a few days later. Of course the domain had been immediately regged. So I offered what I thought was a good price to still get the domain.

snoop said:

I said I thought it was worth around $100, that is a lot different to reg fee.



I did that in my first post,

"Would say around $100, ok term though not much commercial relevance, not sure who would really pay a significant premium for it."

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I that is the case as well, was not on the premium list.

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