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![]() | iPhone/iPad/Mobile Sites, is it worth having .mobi? Hi, I'm after a little advice on a few things really, which hopefully someone can answer. Is it worth purchasing a .mobi domain for the likes of iPhone/iPad etc? Or instead adding a sub domain like mobile.site.com Advice appreciated. Thanks |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | The mobile subdomain is usually shorter like http://m.facebook.com/ To be honest, if I wasn't a domainer I wouldn't even know there is such a thing as mobi. That tld has been a total failure. I'm surprised people still talk about such a useless thing. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Either .mobi or subdomain can work. It's expected to see more .mobi bashing here from a domainer perspective, and yet more and more .mobi sites emerge while domainers continue the bashing. My mobile web reading list includes cnnmoney.mobi, time.mobi, foxnews.mobi, circleid.mobi, espn.mobi, weather.mobi and more, while at the same time I keep hearing at NP of how dead the extension is. Whatever. |
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Mobis have so little resale value that it makes no sense to buy them for resale. For development they do as well in search as other tlds. If you already have a site on an existing domain it makes no sense to use a mobi as well and adds expense - the convention now is use m. or else no subdomain so you just serve mobile content on the same url. You can use this tool to search for actual active developed mobi sites and decide for yourself if there are many.
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![]() | Here are some points to consider for your decision. m.domain.com is one character longer than domain.mobi and .mobi looks better than all the other possibilities (Good for marketing).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 You can always drop it later if it doesn’t work for you. | ||||
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Sorry, but this stuff from MTLD is just NOT true, you should very, very careful about this company and what they say. They lost huge amounts of money and got dumped by all their backers while assuring domainers they were in profit and on course for success. Domainers lost really large amounts of money on .mobi. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 When MTLD / DOTMOBI said that stuff about mobi advantages five years ago it had some chance of coming true IF mobi domains ALL carried mobile content, which they planned to require. They gave up on that totally, another big failure, so you can do whatever you like with a mobi domain, and people do. So search engines and transcoders treat mobi like any other domain, no advantages to the site owner except maybe a short keyword domain for reg fee. And possibly disadvantages if people can't remember or trust the extension, or think it only has mobile content.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Yea, in google I haven't seen any specific benefit they give to .mobi. As for transcoders it seems that is becoming less of an issue as phone browsers improve. I've seen some of the transcoding whitelists and .mobi was usually listed, but so was other common naming conventions like mdot. Where transcoding is deadly is to pc sites that rely on auto detection because the mobile site can be ignored and the transcoded pc site shown to the site visitor. So for me the transcoding debate is less about .mobi and more about the use of auto detection alone. |
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When they are linked to .mobi most people will think that is a fake website or they will not understand what it is. It is some weird useless crap nobody knows about. Yet you think the length of characters is important. Good luck with that approach as a domain investor. I hope you invest all your money in mobi. ---------- Post added at 02:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:30 PM ---------- "m.facebook.com" can't be fake. It is a subdomain. But "facebook.mobi" could be fake. It is a completely different domain. The first thing I think when I see something unexpected such as "facebook.mobi" is that it might be fake. Then I spend some extra time searching whether or not it is fake. You might save people 0.01 seconds by using one character less but many people will end up spending a few minutes more just to check what that fake looking link is. Here are two examples: namecheapcoupons.com mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird Both of those links are official but when I saw them I thought they might be fake because it was not what I was expecting to see. I would expect to see namecheap.com/coupons and mozilla.com/thunderbird or mozilla.org/thunderbird or thunderbird.com ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 Whenever you show people an official link that they were not expecting, or can not connect directly to the official site, they will think it might be fake. Mobi does not look good, It looks fake! If I see something like namepros.mobi, I don't think namepros owners have created a mobi version. I think some scammer created an impersonating website to steal my password. Mobi looks as fake as it gets. It looks like a total scam, like a totally stupid idea and something totally useless. It is as stupid as fake wrestling.
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![]() | I’m always amazed about the reactions when mobi is mentioned even though it is said to be dead. To add some oil to the fire I've listed a few "real" companies that use a mobi. If your theory was true these companies would have only registered their names and would not have used them for their mobile websites. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 Bing.mobi Google.mobi Microsoft.mobi Nike.mobi Norton.mobi Blackberry.mobi T-Mobile.mobi Lufthansa.mobi Vodafone.mobi Nokia.mobi 3Skype.mobi MTV.mobi Cisco.mobi Xbox.mobi Coca-Cola.mobi Volkswagen.mobi NGC.mobi Visa.mobi Iberia.mobi Heineken.mobi BMW.mobi Barcelona.mobi Frankfurt.mobi Dublin.mobi Helsinki.mobi InformNY.mobi BofA.mobi Chase.mobi Deutsche-Bank.mobi Wachovia.mobi Barclays.mobi Fidelity.mobi Ing.mobi AXA.mobi Ferrari.mobi |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I didn't say companies don't use mobi. I said mobi looks fake. I'm not going to use any of the mentioned links before I search google and confirm that it is not fake. So why bother using a TLD that might be fake and needs checking before it is used? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 Have you ever heard about user experience? What kind of experience does mobi create? The answer is simple: an annoying experience. Why? Because people need to check that is genuine before using it. Do you automatically login to "gmail.de" without questioning whether it is genuine? It is in fact unrelated to google. When I go to Barclays.mobi and see a barclays logo and some content that looks genuine, what do I think? I still think it is fake because this is exactly what a scam site would do. A scam .mobi site would look exactly the same like a genuine .mobi site. There is no way to confirm whether a mobi is genuine without spending a few minutes and making a google search. Do I want my users to make a google search and waste a few minutes just so that they can confirm my mobi site is genuine because I was stupid enough to use .mobi instead a subdomain which would completely eliminate the problem? No. No matter what you do all mobi sites look fake because they are on a different tld than the genuine website. And because there are lots of fake websites on other tlds, the user rightfully will question any additional tld that is not the genuine tld of a site. Mobi is doomed to look fake by definition. There is no way to fix it. No matter what you do all mobi sites will always look fake to a new visitor. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 Then you obviously haven't visited their mobile banking page at http://www.barclays.co.uk/MobileBank...P1242561069586 which clearly tells their customers to visit www.Barclays.mobi If financial institutions (arguably the most sensitive type of content) are having success using .mobi for their online banking then your assumptions are not supported by fact. Please present even one .mobi website that is actively trying to trick customers of an existing PC website into providing their personal information. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | The question is not whether there are impersonating sites using .mobi, the question is, can you use .mobi instead a subdomain without creating fear that the mobi site might be fake? And the answer is no. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 Even if mobi is the most trustworthy extension and there is absolutely no problem with it, still it looks fake. If you told me to visit "godaddy.mobi" or "namepros.mobi" or "barclays.mobi", I would not visit any of them before I search on google if they are genuine. However if you told me to visit "m.godaddy.com", "m.namepros.com" or "m.barclays.com" I wouldn't have such a problem. Mobi does not provide a solution. It creates a problem that does not normally exist. Therefore I will not use mobi. If I design a website and my client wants me to use .mobi I will refuse it because I can not create a bad user experience for anybody. |
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 Refusing to do as your client requests seems foolish but that is your prerogative. The bad user experience probably would have more to do with your development skills than the .mobi extension you have an irrational hatred of (as evidenced by your statement "Even if mobi is the most trustworthy extension and there is absolutely no problem with it, still it looks fake."). But hey, it's your business to do with as you wish, I feel sorry for your clients who are not being given a balanced perspective.
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Paypal of all people actually send out surveys that take place on another domain, I took the trouble to verify it but I bet most people just think SCAM and don't do the survey. A really silly mistake that reduces response rates. Thanks for the transcoding info. I have a successful site on a mobi domain which google transcodes, which makes no sense since the site only has a mobile version. I actually have picked up the same domain in another extension, but in this case I stuck with mobi - using only one domain, not two - because it is very competitive and I really only want to compete and create an identity for that subject on mobile. So I can see why some would want a standalone mobi domain, but I doubt that is enough to create an aftermarket for domainers. But domains don't exist for domainers, really. ---------- Post added at 07:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:43 PM ----------
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It has been almost 5 years since the release of .mobi and the companies using .mobi has basically stayed the same if not decreased. Most on the list are redirects and redirecting does not constitute using. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 Thank you, have a nice day | ||||
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That's debatable. Companies like Bank of America that actively promote bofa.mobi to their customers but redirect those visitors to bankofamerica.com/mobile/ are clearly using a .mobi domain to interact with their customers and to disregard it over a technical aspect of their servers is unreasonable. Other companies are much more passive about it with the .mobi being one of many mobile naming options that redirect and don't promote the .mobi specifically. In the latter example I would generally agree the .mobi usage is nothing to get excited about. | ||||
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Mobi is the most stupid idea in domain history from a domainers point of view. However from the founders of this TLD it makes sense. They sold a stupid idea to thousands of people. This takes real talent. Congratulations to them. Mobi is a weird TLD a bunch of domainers assume it has value and they keep selling those domains between each other. Smart mobi investors found some naive people to offload those worthless names. If you are one of those naive people who bought into the hype, please keep writing here how good mobi is. It is kind of entertaining to read those desperate attempts to justify your poor decisions. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 But I still wonder if the OP was asking about .mobi from a site owner/developer point of view or a domainer point of view. You can get good TLD domains for reg fee to develop in .mobi if you think the extension will work for you, but don't expect to resell even with a developed site.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | This isn't true. Promotion occurs in many flavors. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809
What you get in .mobi is a decent opportunity but with little to no reseller fallback. You won't recover your $10 if you fail but you will more than recoup if you succeed. Sounds worth the risk to me. Full Disclosure: I have no .mobi and I was totally anti-mobi for a while but I'm re-investigating as opportunities abound for the clever thinker.
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=714809 The closest approximation to the shape of the world is an oblate spheroid or oblate ellipsoid.
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