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Read this before you ask for an appraisal or register a domain!

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Hey everyone, noticed there isn't a flip-side to the equation guide on appraisals. There's a guide here for Appraisers, two in fact. There's none for the people asking the questions.

GUIDE: Read this before you ask for an appraisal or register a domain!

A lot of people here have been asking for appraisals on some weird domains lately and I wanted to put together a bit of a guide and recommendation for people on what they should and should not be registering. The appraisals forum is a big reason people come to NamePros initially, so I think it's important that the established users continue to monitor it, but it becomes tiring when we see person after person registering horrendous domain names.

Please read all of this before asking for an appraisal and ideally before you even register your first domain which you hope will turn into a gold mine. If you've already done that, read it anyway and refer back to it before you register your next domain. This is valuable advice, and I'm sure others will add to the thread with additional tips on how to avoid burning your ~$10 over and over.

The Ten Commandments

Here's ten rules to remember, refer back to these before you register your names.

1. Do not register anything which is trademarked. If it is, it's worth $regfee and you're probably looking at either a potential lawsuit or UDRP claim. Unless you have some major, major reason why - stay away from trademarks.

2. Say your name out loud. Say it with any punctuation or numbers you put in there - ie. domain-example1.com will be "domain hyphen example one dot com". If it's unwieldy, not pronounceable, or you stumble over it, it's probably worthless.

3. Stay away from exotic extensions until you know what you're doing. Stick to .com and .net. Don't worry about the rest.

4. If your domain has more than one word, would you say it out loud to someone? ie. "RadBikes.com". "Hey man, I got a rad bike today". Sometimes, words just do not go together! ie. ToastyBikes.com "Hey man, I got a Toasty Bike today!"

5. Does it have any meaning to anyone else? Type the words into google. Look at how many results it has. The example I used before of "Rad Bikes" has 23,000 results. "Toasty Bike" has 104. Which do you think will be easier to find an end user for?

6. Would you pay another domainer on here $25 for it? If not, why are you paying $10 for it and why do you expect someone else will pay $x,xxx for it. It isn't going to happen. You need to see value in your own domains first.

7. Ask a friend. Ask a housemate.
"Hey, does (Keyword)(Adjective).com sound like a good domain name?". Try and ask someone who is and someone who isn't familiar with domain names. You'll be surprised how many domainers have delusions of grandeur about their awful domains.

8. Who are you going to sell it to?
There's a 99% chance the mountain will not come to you, you have to go to the mountain. Parking the name, listing it for $5,000 and waiting - you have a good chance of turning 80 before selling it. If you can't think of who will buy it (I don't mean "An insurance company. It has insurance in it.", I mean "ACME Insurance, it's relevant to them because it's BudgetInsurance and that's what they do") you probably should reconsider registering it.

9. Why isn't it registered?
There's millions and millions of .com's registered. Why isn't this one? There's a good chance if it's a brilliant name someone's already thought of it, bought it, and probably sold it! Question why it hasn't been already - it's probably because Dog-Suitcases.net isn't that great a name.

10. Has it been dropped before? Look at its WHOIS results on DomainTools and you may see it's been registered before but dropped. Question why. Why did someone else pay ~$10 for the name but then let it expire a year later? sdsinc recommended you check out HosterStats.com to help with these checks.

11. Keep learning. Revise your strategy. I started out with 10 commandments, now there's 11. Don't be afraid to admit you made an error. Leave the domain, park it, list it for sale for $XX and read, read, read. Then try again.

Guys, feel free to add to this. I've also published it on my blog since I figure it'll be useful to people outside NamePros as well :)
 
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1. Do not register anything which is trademarked. If it is, it's worth $regfee and you're probably looking at either a potential lawsuit or UDRP claim. Unless you have some major, major reason why - stay away from trademarks.

"MAJOR" being written confirmation from the trademark/copyright holders that you can indeed use the trademarked domain, though getting this is usually far more hassle than it is worth.

3. Stay away from exotic extensions until you know what you're doing. Stick to .com and .net. Don't worry about the rest.

.Org is also considered fine too as it is one of the TLDs, also in country specific .co.uk and .de are amongst the strongest with over 60% usage, however grammar may be different to those from other countries.
 
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Would like to add to #10. If the domain has been dropped before then please do an extensive research on it. There are high chances that it was probably sandboxed or blacklisted in search engines and is technically useless to develop for quite some time. Also check for fraud reports related to the name. It could have been earlier be used to scam people. So you will now be starting out with a great name but not listed in search engines or you are already branded a scamer.
 
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Awesome tool, sdsinc.

Thanks.

Bookmarked.

Rep if I can.

Also, thanks, Michael, for the 10, uh, 11 commandments of domaining.

Rep on its way.

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Thanks. Postings like this help all us NEWBS...
 
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Daily bump up to help out the newer members :)
 
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nice info, thanks
 
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Great thread. Thank you. It just doesn't belong inside of the appraisal forum. Only threads of those seeking appraisals should be posted in the appraisal forum. Thread moved to newbies forum for now until a better location is determined.

Thank you
Jennifer
 
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Excellent stuff Michael. Some simple, some obvious... yet all good useful tips that are worth referring back to every now and again.

Thanks sdsinc for that link - also bookmarked.
 
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Great thread. Thank you. It just doesn't belong inside of the appraisal forum. Only threads of those seeking appraisals should be posted in the appraisal forum. Thread moved to newbies forum for now until a better location is determined.

My concern with putting it in here is the Appraisals section is the first place a lot of people go, and there's already some partially relevant stuff in the Domain Newbies forum. :) Hopefully, this will get Stickied somewhere too, I think it's something everyone should read before they go registering and asking for free appraisals :)
 
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My concern with putting it in here is the Appraisals section is the first place a lot of people go, and there's already some partially relevant stuff in the Domain Newbies forum. :) Hopefully, this will get Stickied somewhere too, I think it's something everyone should read before they go registering and asking for free appraisals :)

I understand your concern Michael, however; if we permit you to post an article there, then we are going to have to make the option available to everyone. The appraisal forum is a "niche" forum solely for domain name appraisals. There are two stickies in place already.. one is by the owner himself and the other is a 5 star post from 2005. It is OK for you to offer suggestions to members, but only Admin, and Team leaders should be posting rule / guideline type posts. Another alternative is to add a link to the article in your sig. Thanks again for your effort.

Jennifer
 
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Fair enough :) Well, hopefully people find it useful anyhow. :)
 
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By no means am I saying your post isn't useful! It is very useful :tu: Many of the tips you have listed, I even use myself! I don't however, agree about the exotic extensions... some of my biggest sales were made off of exotic extensions FYI
 
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Nicely done.

.org work quite well for education, tax, political, legal...
 
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Great post, when you say "Stay away from exotic extensions", I think it depends on the name, sometimes those "exotic extensions" are better, although in most cases your correct.
 
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nice share!
im new at this domain shit, but it seems im mostly on the right path.

thanks everyone!
 
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I don't however, agree about the exotic extensions... some of my biggest sales were made off of exotic extensions FYI

Jennifer,

I certainly didn't mean "don't touch exotic extensions" (I personally own a good .mx and .au portfolio and a few random .in's) but the point was to learn your footing in .com/.net etc first due to the fact that sales tend to be more solid/constant and registration costs are frequently cheaper on a 1 year basis than certain exotics (eg. MX is $40 a year, .com is $8). I agree with your point, there's some great sales to be made but people who are "green" to domaining should probably steer clear until they know what they're doing.
 
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Great commandments, thank you for posting... As a newbie who has made mistakes even before I started, I now realise I have a lot to learn and this certainly helps...
 
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Thanks a lot a lot for tips. And there is never end of learning domaining. Learn more, selling more. Now, it is almost impossible to sell domain names without find end-users. It is my simple idea :)
 
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Little bit of a bump up for the new users coming through :)
 
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Thanks for the tips.

I've got a question about trademarks if thats alright?

does this apply to generic names too? I would think not?
 
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does this apply to generic names too? I would think not?

I'm not 100% sure what you mean. But I do not think so, no. Generic is generic. Do a trademark check if you wish. But AwesomeCars or FieldTrips or something isn't going to be an issue in most cases. Stick to generic/descriptive domains :)
 
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Thanks Michael!

I just registered here earlier today. Just as you said Michael, about the first place I went was to the free appraisal forum to see if some names I've bought over the past couple years, (with little to NO real clue about some of the biggest key factors in what truly makes a domain name REALLY good) have ANY monetary value by way of sale or development.

Though I'm on less then a shoe string budget at the moment so my abilities to develop are VERY limited.

Great advise, thanks for sharing your wisdom!

Make it a great day.
 
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3. Stay away from exotic extensions until you know what you're doing. Stick to .com and .net. Don't worry about the rest.

could you tell me why cause I am now collecting the extensions from small countries but with features like .do, .it , .to. Thank you !:hehe:
 
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