.tv I'm seeing a lot of "bad" .TV names being reg'd...

im not bitter at all just giving my opinion

Bad names are bad names in any extension. With .tv they just cost more.

In order to curb the potential for burning cash, I invite all of you to use the following process when acquiring names:

1. Idea / Concept.
2. Check availability on "dotster.com". They have the most extensions and the snappiest response times. Has your name been taken in many extensions? Is it only available in extension .XX? A good indication of keyword popularity / rarity.
3. Would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.
4. Check the Overture numbers for the name with and without the extension. Again, a good measure of keyword popularity and potential development potential. 50,000+ is acceptable without the extension. If less forget it.
5. Check Sedo.com. Do the other extensions listed for the name get a lot of traffic or bids? If so continue.
6. Again, would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.
7. Go to your registrar of choice and reg the name.

This has worked well for me in the past and will continue to be my MO in 2006.

Name-Maker said:

Bad names are bad names in any extension. With .tv they just cost more.

In order to curb the potential for burning cash, I invite all of you to use the following process when acquiring names:

1. Idea / Concept.
2. Check availability on "dotster.com". They have the most extensions and the snappiest response times. Has your name been taken in many extensions? Is it only available in extension .XX? A good indication of keyword popularity / rarity.
3. Would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.
4. Check the Overture numbers for the name with and without the extension. Again, a good measure of keyword popularity and potential development potential. 50,000+ is acceptable without the extension. If less forget it.
5. Check Sedo.com. Do the other extensions listed for the name get a lot of traffic or bids? If so continue.
6. Again, would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.
7. Go to your registrar of choice and reg the name.

This has worked well for me in the past and will continue to be my MO in 2006.

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This is the method I used and set out to find some great names. In one week (12-05) Four (4 ) names were regged and Three (3) of those names were accepted by greatdomains. Two of them are .TV's. With very good OVT and most all other ext's gone. Although I still like a good brandable name like "Grafrica" for the most part this is very sound adice from Name-Maker :imho:
And my newly adopted model based on the quality advice of many namepros members .



namenut

onlineeducation.tv - onlineschool.tv - careereducation.tv

namenut said:

This is the method I used and set out to find some great names. In one week (12-05) Four (4 ) names were regged and Three (3) of those names were accepted by greatdomains. Two of them are .TV's. With very good OVT and most all other ext's gone. Although I still like a good brandable name like "Grafrica" for the most part this is very sound adice from Name-Maker :imho:
And my newly adopted model based on the quality advice of many namepros members .



namenut

onlineeducation.tv - onlineschool.tv - careereducation.tv

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still nobody seems to understsand..

1. GreatDomains can accept as many domains as they want... Most sales are going thru SEDO atm....

2. GreatDomains runs .tv so they are a bit bias.

JeffM2 said:

still nobody seems to understsand..

1. GreatDomains can accept as many domains as they want... Most sales are going thru SEDO atm....

2. GreatDomains runs .tv so they are a bit bias.

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So your saying I don't understand based on the refference to greatdomains acceptance...yet you've completely omitted the OVT's. The popularity and potential of the name and The google results from your comment ?

I agree...I don't understand. I'm here to learn so please ......I'm open to any good sound advice.
But......

OnlineEducation 1.9 mil ovt
CareerEducation 870k ovt
OnlineSchool 72k ovt



In fact these two word phrases out rank the single word ovt's

Count Keyword "education"

1904466 education online
1287894 education
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Count Keyword "career"

827285 career education
632971 career
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Count Keyword "online"

2373200 online dating
1904466 education online
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273027 online
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The Google results are quoted.

Results 1 - 20 of about 7,020,000 English pages for "online education". (0.17 seconds)

Results 1 - 20 of about 2,160,000 English pages
for "online school".

Results 1 - 20 of about 3,210,000 English pages for "career education". (0.23 seconds)

Another factor I use is that the keywords to these domains all use the actual name in almost all the related keywords phrases. such as.....

Searches done in November 2005
Count Search Term
1904466 online education

1904466 education online
26790 online college education
22625 continuing education online
12353 online education degree
6073 online education course
3692 free online education
3240 online nursing education
3090 california driver education online
2507 adult education online
2406 online distance education
1833 education distance online learning
1833 online driving education
1771 driver education online
1768 adult continuing education online
1700 diego driving education online san
1633 graduate online education course
1433 online higher education
1343 master degree education online
1329 master of education online
1221 online special education course
1045 online education program
1028 online insurance continuing education
902 online bachelor degree education
902 online master degree in education
866 online education journal
832 online education high school
794 online degree in education
763 online education university
747 online special education
710 education learning online
707 online business education
678 distance education general online
632 online education class
557 online education canada
553 online physical education degree
544 early childhood education online degree
532 online christian education
489 thomson education direct and online
486 continuing education course online
486 elementary education degree online
485 online master in education
446 early childhood education online
434 music education online
432 computer education online
431 online graduate education
403 distance education degree online
391 online trading education
385 universal council for online education accreditation
374 online accredited education
361 hunters education online
349 online bachelor degree in education
345 online education college degree
341 online continuing medical education
339 online education game
333 online hunter education course
329 master degree in special education online
324 online medical education
319 online nursing continuing education
303 online degree education compass
297 online education degree program
291 master education degree online program
280 engineering education online
279 online graduate education degree
270 online special education degree
258 distance education loan online
245 online education journal article
245 doctorate education online
243 sex education online
240 online education software
235 online education master program
229 driver education online course
227 master online special education degree
226 online master distance education degree
221 online education in canada
220 online education with thomson
219 education online phd
217 colorado education online
217 degree education music online
214 online education article
214 future online education
201 laureate online education
197 online bachelor degree elementary education
195 online education for teacher
192 online continuing legal education
191 online education guide
190 online education in india
188 university of phoenix online education
187 online adult education program
180 online real estate continuing education course
177 online career education
175 education distance online learni
174 education direct online
174 online education jobs
172 best online education
171 free online education course
165 christian distance education online
164 online education australia
162 driver education online class
159 online education specialist degree
157 online education school

Searches done in November 2005
Count Search Term
827285 career education
1624 career education corporation
1168 education amp career
888 career and technical education
789 career in education
421 career education corp
420 career education institute
377 career education system
340 career in early childhood education
279 career education college
246 association for career and technical education
207 elementary education career
200 national career education
199 early childhood education career
197 career and technology education
196 chronicle of higher education career network
194 physical education career
193 career education center
177 online career education
167 special education career
166 chronicle of higher education career
157 career health education
145 career music education
138 career in physical education
135 career education lesson plan
132 education career fair
132 career in special education
129 dvd education and career
127 career education en language
120 education career employment
120 career in higher education
118 higher education career
116 middle school career education
101 education career .com
98 education development and career
95 7 8 career education grade
95 career physical education and lifetime fitness system
93 career in elementary education
93 career in health education
92 career degree education
91 car education and training
85 education career alternative program
85 career education requirement
83 life centered career education
83 career education high school
83 education career job search
82 harrison center for career education
81 career education nursing
80 ata career education
77 oklahoma department of career and technology education
74 golf career education
73 career education nursing vocational
70 business and career education
70 career education corporation lawsuit
69 art education career
69 journal of career and technical education
68 career in music education
67 information about education and career
64 career education special teacher
63 adult career education
63 education career recruiting
61 career education search
60 secondary education career
59 wisconsin education career access network
59 career education popup
58 career education curriculum
55 career education goal
52 career education medical
51 100 apply career cv education experience frsh java job not not resume skill submit vitae
51 career education system kansas city
51 career computer education
49 career education program
49 special education career school
47 career in adult education
47 career colorado education
47 career and education jobs
47 career education planning
46 association career education
46 career education for kid
45 career education philosophy technical
45 career education schools
45 uk career education
43 career education teaching
41 100 603 apply career education experience frsh hampshire information job new nh not resume skill submit
41 career change education
41 career education it
40 special education career opportunity
39 alternative career in education
38 bargain business career education training training training.tripod.com videos.html
38 career education services
37 career education field plan training
37 career opportunity in education
37 pearson education career
37 career educational resource
37 career and vocational education
36 adult career and vocational education
36 career denmark education in medical
36 real estate career education
36 career education information technology
36 career for education majors


It's hard for me to find my lack understanding in these names. But I very well could be completely wrong. I would love to develop any of these names personaly.

This almost seems you have something personal against greatdomains......or me? I hope not.

namenut

The advice I posted earlier was in response to izopod's correct assertion that people are registering crap domains just because they are available.

In order to curb the potential for burning cash, I invite all of you to use the following process when acquiring names:

1. Idea / Concept.

2. Check availability on "dotster.com". They have the most extensions and the snappiest response times. Has your name been taken in many extensions? Is it only available in extension .XX? A good indication of keyword popularity / rarity.

3. Would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.

4. Check the Overture numbers for the name with and without the extension. Again, a good measure of keyword popularity and potential development potential. 50,000+ is acceptable without the extension. If less forget it.

5. Check Sedo.com. Do the other extensions listed for the name get a lot of traffic or bids? If so continue.

6. Again, would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.

7. Go to your registrar of choice and reg the name.

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A few other tests I left out of my 7 steps were:

1. MarketLeap.com - test for backlinks and SE exposure. Does the name have inbound links? Is the name already listed in the search engines?

2. Archive.org - review the domains history. If you are hoping to sell coloring books via the domain name, it may be smart to ensure it was not used for an adult site in the past.

Post registration:

1. Measure the traffic and monetize the parking. This can be done easily via a brokerage site like Sedo.com. The more traffic, the more valuable and viable the investment. If you leave your name parked at your registrar, you are just leaving money (potential income) on the table.

2. Optional. Install a whois block. If you register at NameCheap.com, you get this for free. Anonymity is a good thing. Be sure you place it for sale on a brokerage site first. They will need to verify the whois before prior to it being blocked.

3. Lock down the domain via a registrar lock, so it cannot be stolen from you.

I've used this recipe for success over the past year and have registered, developed, and sold several names using it. The technique applies to all extensions, not just .TV. However, one of my more recent .TV acquisitions using this method earned me its regfee in its first 20 days last month and is on par for 5,000 uniques a month. Money in the bank.

Lastly, in no way am I advocating the usage of GreatDomains.com or any other brokerage service; however, they do have their place and utility to the domainer. I personally no longer use GD, although I have listed MANY names there in the past. I have had MUCH success with SEDO and I've been quite happy with their services over the past two years.

Happy New Year everyone.

stuff all the "this is the measuring tool for buying any kind of domain" formulas.

If you need to check as to whether a domain has value then you need to get on either the :

Im turning up at the party 2 days late when all the Vol-au-vents have already been eaten bus

or the

How come as a blind squirrel i cant even find my allotted acorn quota bus

For emerging whatever industry you want requires speculation and gut feeling.

Most of the .tv registrations i see here getting regged would be worth their weight in gold in .com and, if you get it right, should and can be worth more under .tv.

Badger said:

stuff all the "this is the measuring tool for buying any kind of domain" formulas.

If you need to check as to whether a domain has value then you need to get on either the :

Im turning up at the party 2 days late when all the Vol-au-vents have already been eaten bus

or the

How come as a blind squirrel i cant even find my allotted acorn quota bus

For emerging whatever industry you want requires speculation and gut feeling.

Most of the .tv registrations i see here getting regged would be worth their weight in gold in .com and, if you get it right, should and can be worth more under .tv.

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Every market has "key indicators".... I'm sorry, but how people search for things and what words they key in the browser are of keen interest to most seasoned domainers.

What were trying to say is that one should be a shrewd .TV investor. Use the tools that have been thoroughly vetted by most domainers to pick up domains.

..But you can certainly feel free to rely on your gut instincts to buy .TV domains. Certainly the "gut" has some use. My gut tells me that those people who take the time to "get it right" this time, will be rewarded handsomely. Those who do not, will still be making the rounds on the domain boards in 2016 telling people how the "big one" got away from them.

NOTE: You mentioned emerging markets and speculation/gut feel... I hope you're not thinking .TV is going to replace .com. .TV doesn't represent a new technology. Domain names have been around for awhile. The beauty of .TV is that they represent a new "Branding" strategy. Which will fit perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle. If you understand this, then you will make money, if you don't then you'll then be really disappointed when Amazon.com, doesn't switch to Amazon.TV.

Shoot, where do i start

izo-pod said:

What were trying to say is that one should be a shrewd .TV investor. Use the tools that have been thoroughly vetted by most domainers to pick up domains.

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And the people who need to do this, to continue my analgesic theme, are the ones who are under the buffet table right now talking about the time there were Vol-au-vents on the table and some guy came in and just ate them all.

izo-pod said:

My gut tells me that those people who take the time to "get it right" this time, will be rewarded handsomely. Those who do not, will still be making the rounds on the domain boards in 2016 telling people how the "big one" got away from them.

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Well, this is a little presumptuous, that you are suddenly turning up here telling people, who i would regard in general terms as being very visionary in terms of domains, something new

izo-pod said:

I hope you're not thinking .TV is going to replace .com. .TV doesn't represent a new technology. Domain names have been around for awhile. The beauty of .TV is that they represent a new "Branding" strategy. Which will fit perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle. If you understand this, then you will make money, if you don't then you'll then be really disappointed when Amazon.com, doesn't switch to Amazon.TV.

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Well, my speculation is that certain areas of the namespace will take over from .com. I may be wrong, sure.. But im laying a small amount of capital on the premise that im not...

And wow, interesting last comment.. ".tv fits perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle" What a great comment...

So you'll understand my confusion when i see you then compare this to amazon.com switching to amazon.tv.. Bizarre. im interesting to know how this example fits your first and most profound comment..

Did somebody call the domain police? :notme:

izo-pod said:

Every market has "key indicators".... I'm sorry, but how people search for things and what words they key in the browser are of keen interest to most seasoned domainers.

What were trying to say is that one should be a shrewd .TV investor. Use the tools that have been thoroughly vetted by most domainers to pick up domains.

..But you can certainly feel free to rely on your gut instincts to buy .TV domains. Certainly the "gut" has some use. My gut tells me that those people who take the time to "get it right" this time, will be rewarded handsomely. Those who do not, will still be making the rounds on the domain boards in 2016 telling people how the "big one" got away from them.

NOTE: You mentioned emerging markets and speculation/gut feel... I hope you're not thinking .TV is going to replace .com. .TV doesn't represent a new technology. Domain names have been around for awhile. The beauty of .TV is that they represent a new "Branding" strategy. Which will fit perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle. If you understand this, then you will make money, if you don't then you'll then be really disappointed when Amazon.com, doesn't switch to Amazon.TV.

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you seem pretty narrow minded

I think your bubble will burst when you hear .us and .tv start heating up

JeffM2 said:

you seem pretty narrow minded

I think your bubble will burst when you hear .us and .tv start heating up

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Did I say anything about .us? As far as .TV, I think people know where I stand.

One interesting observation in all this. What I've said is nothing different then I or others have said before on this topic.

Many of us have been through the boon and bust of the domain market. It's a lot more complicated then just buying a certain extension and "hoping" it will pay off. We've evolved (hopefully) more than that. We use tools to determine "worth". Traffic is a huge indicator of value. It will become moreso in the future. So if you have a "gut feel" on names like "BuyCable.TV" then go for it, but think about what you're passing up in the .TV space for that name.

In the end, no one is stopping you from buying up .TV domains. However don't expect to get 10K appraisals on names that wouldn't even get a bonifide $100 offer on the spot.

izo-pod said:

Did I say anything about .us? As far as .TV, I think people know where I stand.

One interesting observation in all this. What I've said is nothing different then I or others have said before on this topic.

Many of us have been through the boon and bust of the domain market. It's a lot more complicated then just buying a certain extension and "hoping" it will pay off. We've evolved (hopefully) more than that. We use tools to determine "worth". Traffic is a huge indicator of value. It will become moreso in the future. So if you have a "gut feel" on names like "BuyCable.TV" then go for it, but think about what you're passing up in the .TV space for that name.

In the end, no one is stopping you from buying up .TV domains. However don't expect to get 10K appraisals on names that wouldn't even get a bonifide $100 offer on the spot.

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as with many of the $5 or reg fee appraisals on the board by people who have no clue what they're talking about.

i am reducing my .tv portfolio (200+) by 20% this year, just cleaning out some of the more obscure domains that were "long shots" and focusing on premium "one worders" in 2006.

Australia said:

i am reducing my .tv portfolio (200+) by 20% this year, just cleaning out some of the more obscure domains that were "long shots" and focusing on premium "one worders" in 2006.

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are the premiums the $500+ names are standard regs? how many $500+ names do you have

JeffM2 said:

are the premiums the $500+ names are standard regs? how many $500+ names do you have

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they will be $500 and more i have a few selected

just watching "meet the press" in aus. meetthepress.tv?

jeff, australia has a serious .tv collection interesting to hear you are downsizing to quality this year adrian.. a good move as always, i hope you can sell the others.. im also going to reg much fewer this year, its development time for me now.

Domain speculation is a gamble, and it all depends on how you view the odds.

I'm bullish on .tv because so many excellent names are still available, "tv" is already a famous and influential entity, and the business world is increasing its use of .tv in its marketing campaigns.

As a math teacher, I like to approach things statistically. Say that there is a 1/5 (20%) chance that .tv will, in the next few years, become 1/5 as popular as .com is now. (Your view of either of those figures could differ dramatically.) In that case, all other things being equal, it makes sense to reg a .tv domain that would be worth at least 25 times the .tv reg price if it were a .com domain.

It costs about $30 to reg a .tv, so (in this scenario) it makes sense to grab a .tv that would be worth at least $750 as a .com. The very best ones are gone, but some of the names I've reg'd in the past couple of weeks would be worth at least mid-X,XXX in .com versions, so I feel good about those investments.

This is all an oversimplification, of course, as it ignores things like renewal costs, opportunity cost (profits you could be earning in other ways with the money that you are tying up in your .tv portfolio), and the fact that a domain would still have some value even if .tv's popularity didn't rise that much and that it could have greater value if the popularity rose more. But it's a reasonable place to start one's thinking.

Way back when somebody (I forget who now) was taking registrations for .web domains, I picked up about 5, on the chance that they would succeed in becoming the officially recognized .web registrar. Well, that didn't happen, so I lost my bet (and 100 bucks or so). But with .tv names, they already exist and have some value, so this should be less of a gamble.

That's all! Just enjoying the "early-.com-days" feel of the current .tv market.

Cheers,
randomo

and why do you have to again bring my domain name into your attempt at disuading people as to the value of .tv or trying to tell them "you are the only one that has the correct method in choosing names" I own buycable.tv and no i dont think i passed up a better .tv name to get that one. Others feel the same as i have said. When i posted the name on these boards I got 7 or 8 appraisals of X,XXX with one of "Reg Fee" that came from you Izod. Just seems wierd that you put so much disdain in others names and hold yours in such high regard. My personal opinion is like i said "you like many kids on this forum, are convinced that you are the only one who actually knows how to choose a quality name and that the names you choose are the only ones that are going to sell" I am sorry to say but I think you are badly mistaken.

izo-pod said:

Did I say anything about .us? As far as .TV, I think people know where I stand.

One interesting observation in all this. What I've said is nothing different then I or others have said before on this topic.

Many of us have been through the boon and bust of the domain market. It's a lot more complicated then just buying a certain extension and "hoping" it will pay off. We've evolved (hopefully) more than that. We use tools to determine "worth". Traffic is a huge indicator of value. It will become moreso in the future. So if you have a "gut feel" on names like "BuyCable.TV" then go for it, but think about what you're passing up in the .TV space for that name.

In the end, no one is stopping you from buying up .TV domains. However don't expect to get 10K appraisals on names that wouldn't even get a bonifide $100 offer on the spot.

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Speaking of BuyCable.tv, do i sense a little jelousy on you part?

http://www.greatdomains.com/en-def-13a099f4215d/cgi-bin/makeOffer.cgi?domain=buycable&tld=tv