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NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)?

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People often ask me for my opinion on numerical domains, and in particular 4-digit dot coms (1234.com) and 4-digit dot nets (1234.net). Since number domains do not trade as frequently as letter domains, there is often uncertainty about their market value. Western webmasters/domain resellers rarely encounter websites developed on numerical domains, and question how easy such domain names are to monetize. Do these names get traffic? Can they make you money in the short term or long term or both? Here is my story, and hopefully it will answer some questions on what is happening now and where this segment of the domain market might be headed.

I have become a collector/investor of numerical domains. It started over a year ago when I noticed that a handful of 4-digit dot com domains (a.k.a NNNN.com domains) were selling for high prices in auctions for expired names. It was puzzling why some of these NNNN.com domains were available to register for the basic reg fee while others were commanding prices over $100. I asked around, but most people did not have any answers. In fact, a large majority thought these types of domains had very little value - reg fee at best. That is when I began to do my research. I began to track what prices these names were selling for in the open market, who was doing the buying, and how many NNNN.com domains remained unregistered. Based on the upward trend of such names, I concluded that it was worthwhile to register as many of these as possible for $8 and lower. It wasn’t long before all 10,000 possible NNNN.com combinations were registered. My attention then shifted to the expired name marketplace. At first it was possible to catch these names as they dropped using inexpensive services like Enom’s Club Drop. As NNNN.com domains deleted, most of them could be secured for $10 (+ registration fee). This lasted for a few weeks before the competition picked up and the names began heading to auctions. It was at this time that prices rose into the $30-$60 range, with some of them selling for over $100. A few high profile public auctions took place last year with the names going for $300+ each.

At this point I began to dig deeper into these types of names. There were many questions and very few answers. Early research showed that number combinations beginning with the numeral 0 (e.g., 0136.com, 0591.com) were the least desired, followed by numbers that contained the numeral 4. Apparently, “4" has negative meanings in various non-Western cultures. For example, in Ancient Hebrew and Chaldean philosophies, the number 4 is associated with mortality and death. Also, the Chinese people try to avoid the number 4 because it sounds the same as death in Cantonese. The numbers most in demand by domain owners were those with repeating numbers, those representing special historical dates, and those with numbers 3, 6, and 8. Again, this preference for certain numbers over others seems to be rooted in ancient numerology - where cultures believe that the universe is based on mathematical principles. As a result, numbers have great significance in people’s daily lives. In China lucky phone numbers such as 133-3333-3333 or 8888-8888 were reported as sold for more than $200,000 each. There are many other possible meanings for numbers. They represent dates, product numbers, physical addresses, phone abbreviations (think SMS) and they even substitute for words in mobile business services (see http://worddial.com).

Today, demand for NNNN.com domains is still strong. Just this morning, 8582.com sold for $180 at Enom. But what is really making the story of number domains interesting is the recent surge in interest of 4 digit dot net domains (a.k.a NNNN.net domains). Just a month or two ago, you could find many of these available to register. The demand was low and so were the prices. That has changed in a hurry. Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder. More auction results from today:

4623.NET $60
1383.NET $60
9915.NET $60
7818.NET $55
4080.NET $100

Yesterday I ran a check to see how many 4 digit domains were available in the .INFO and .ORG extensions. Since I knew all .COM and .NET versions were taken, I thought it might be interesting to see how popular they were in other TLDs. Here is what I found:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
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	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789


The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening. Does anyone remember Duke’s article entitled The Great Three-Letter .Info/.Biz Buyout: Elequa Alters the New Extension Landscape ? History might be repeating itself. Elequa publicly discussed numerical domains earlier this year in a February 23rd interview on DomainMasters radio. In the interview, Elequa talked about many topics, but in particular he gave some unique insight into why pure number domains have significance to the Arabic speaking world. If you would like to hear that interview, you can find it archived at Monikers website: Domain Masters: Online Radio Talk Show Archives.

So here we are today. We find that NNNN.nets are picking up steam in the marketplace. We know that NNNN.coms are still hot, and some of them are hitting new highs (last week 0753.com sold for $3,433 and 0572.com sold $2,450). We see that NNNN.infos and NNNN.orgs are being slowly absorbed into strong hands. To me, there is little to indicate that the value of these domains will go anywhere but up. They are scarce - only 10,000 four-digit combinations exist per each extension. They are often preferred by cultures who do not use the Western alphabet. As an owner of 4 digit domains, I notice that some names receive very high numbers of foreign type-in traffic. Experts predict millions and millions of new internet users will emerge from non-Western areas in the next several years. The long term potential for these names looks promising, from an investment point of view. But what about the short term? If domain owners want to hold on to their digit domains, can they make money from them?

When I first started to acquire these domains, I did not believe they would be easy to monetize. I tried parking them at various places like Sedo and DomainHop. Eventually, I moved them around to other PPC programs like DomainSponsor and Fabulous. It became clear that most of these programs were not well-suited for these domains. Most of them do not pay for Asian traffic. One program even contacted me directly to know that the type of traffic I was sending through my numerical domains was not the type they were looking to send their advertisers. They asked me to remove the domains. Next, I decided to give Google Adsense a try. I developed a few nice, simple pages and displayed some ads - and sure enough I got a few clicks. But total earnings were not much more than I got through parking with PPC companies. But since I now owned hundreds and hundreds of these domains, developing & hosting & tracking pages in this manner seemed not worth my time and effort. I was about to give up until I found GoldKey. Miraculously, GoldKey offers a solution for numerical domain owners. Some of my pure number domains that made nothing at other programs, were suddenly making several dollars per day (each). For those of you that own number domains that are not making you much money, consider giving these guys a try. Goldkey has an affiliate program, so if you are interested PM me. I can show you screenshots comparing the results for the same domains at various PPC programs as well as provide you my referral code. ;)

To be honest, not all of my digit domains receive traffic and generate click revenue. The majority of them are profitable, but some of them get no visitors at all. Rarely in the domain business is anything guaranteed - and making money off these domains is no different. To summarize: 4 digit domains are being accumulated in the major TLDs. All the .COM and .NET versions have been registered and as demand continues to be stronger than the supply, these names are consistently rising in price. You can make steady income parking these domains, as you wait for the next tidal wave of internet users to come online. As mobile and internet technology advances, who knows what new applications & systems will be developed that may increase the value of these domains. If you’re looking for an investment with a nice potential return - and limited downside, you could do worse than picking up some NNNN domains. As a reseller, you can decide to trade if these if you desire, but I doubt you will be able to flip these overnight for sizable profits. IMHO, the best course of action is to acquire them and be patient, picking up income along the way. You might be able to offset registration renewals with the parking revenue you earn.

Good luck.
 
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wow very interesting and informative :D nic epost
 
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Nice article, and now I too may get a laugh at all of those that gave me heck about my 4 # .net's ;)

You paint a very rosy picture of the outlook, and I'd certainly like to see it come to fruition, but only time will tell...

Thread bookmarked so I can come back in 6 months and see what happened B-)

-Allan :gl:
 
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Very Nice Paxton

Thanks
- Virtua
 
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IAmAllanShore said:
Nice article, and now I too may get a laugh at all of those that gave me heck about my 4 # .net's ;)

You paint a very rosy picture of the outlook, and I'd certainly like to see it come to fruition, but only time will tell...
Thanks, Allan.

I agree I do sound a bit optimistic, but this is heavily influenced by actual short-term PPC earnings off NNNN domains. I hope everyone has similar success because I know for a long while I was making only pennies with my number domains. If the long-term value of these turns out to be a disappointment, the ongoing revenue should help to offset the pain.

:cy:
 
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Just a quick update since a lot of people have been asking about parking their NNNN domains at GK. Starting next week, GoldKey will start monetizing traffic for visitors not originating from North America. Among the big areas that will be supported are: UnitedKingdom, Germany, France, and Korea. This is very good news for numerical domain owners. Number domains tend to have a very high percentage of traffic that originates from Asia.

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Excellent thread, thanks for the insight. I just picked up a NNNN.org from that list you posted, I'll send on all the NP$ I have left and add to your rep!
 
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Nice, thanks for sharing pax! :)
 
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Paxton ok i signed up for at goldkey.com to try a few nnnn.com that i have

this is part of the email me they sent me

For each domain, you can click on the TEMPLATE icon to see exactly
what your site will look like when it is live. The keywords which are
displayed on the site are automatically generated from an Overture
algorithm. If for some reason, you are not satisfied with the keywords
displayed, please submit a support ticket, and we will help you
optimize keywords related to your domain. Customizing your own
Overture keywords requires us to get special permission from Overture
and may take up to a full business week.


now how did you pick keywards for your nnnn domains?? or did you let them get automatecally get generated from the overure algorithm???? any advise for chossing template for the ppc landing page???
can we see an example of one that you have parked????





Thanks Paxton for inspiring me to try ppc for my number domains..
 
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Harpo,

PM sent.

If anyone else wants to try this system, PM me and I'll show you screenshots of how well some of my number domains have done (compared to other PPC programs). Like I said, I have tested them at many places. In addition to the screenshots, I can give you some pointers on how to setup and I'll also provide you my referral code. :hehe:

Cheers.
 
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Thankyou mucho glasios thanks thanks !!!!, terrific anyways i didnt have your referral code when i signed up
but i will email them letting them know about how you sent me there and if you could get a referral to you....
Paxton i have tons of three nummer .biz .us .info i wonder if those will get traffic or if they even park these ext on there site?????

Ps::: with this new NNNN.com info the drop will start to get even more viscious
"The tigers in the wild will start to smell their pray"


 
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Keep in mind many NNNN.nets still fall all the way to manual dropcatching.
 
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damitssam said:
Keep in mind many NNNN.nets still fall all the way to manual dropcatching.
Sam, if you read the first post, you'd see that is not the case any longer.

paxton said:
...Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder.
We can use this thread to track NNNN sales, so everyone sees what is transpiring in the marketplace. In the last couple of weeks, all NNNN.net domains are being caught by dropcatchers. In fact, no longer are all of them going for $10 - $30 at Enom, but people are actually using Pool and Snapnames now to catch them (minimum $60 bid at each of these places). Should they fall into reverse auctions at Enom (when multiple bidders only bid $10 or $20), someone else comes along and uses the BIN option to claim the name.

Here is the recent data I have for NNNN.net domains at dropcatchers:

Code:
[b][u]Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price[/b][/u]
5910.net	07/13/05	Club Drop	in auction
9315.net	07/13/05	Club Drop	in auction
8755.net	07/13/05	Club Drop	in auction
0277.net	07/12/05	Club Drop	in auction
9319.net	07/11/05	Club Drop	$15
1640.net	07/11/05	Pool	        in auction
3250.net	07/11/05	SnapNames	in auction
6415.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
7564.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
9713.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
9420.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
9241.net	07/10/05	Club Drop	$35
8278.net	07/09/05	Club Drop	$60
7726.net	07/09/05	Club Drop	$60
9886.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
5139.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
6230.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
9503.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
8590.net	07/08/05	Club Drop	$60
5622.net	07/07/05	Club Drop	$15
9568.net	07/07/05	Club Drop	$15
5006.net	07/07/05	Club Drop	$45
4623.net	07/06/05	Club Drop	$60
9915.net	07/06/05	Club Drop	$60
1383.net	07/06/05	Club Drop	$60
3198.net	07/05/05	Club Drop	$30
7818.net	07/05/05	Club Drop	$55
5370.net	07/04/05	Club Drop	$15
4080.net	07/04/05	Club Drop	$100
You can see from the table above that these are definitely rising in price and demand for them is strong. No NNNN.nets can be regged by hand unless someone gets very lucky at droptime.

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is club drop enom????
 
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harpo said:
is club drop enom????
Yes, Enom's drop catching service is called Club Drop.

On another note, equity78 posted a great article in his Online Population Numbers thread. From the article he references, we can get a real good idea of just how many potential new internet users will be coming online in the not so distant future. From this report, there is another link to an article entitled Asian Internet Market to Surpass United States and this one is a real eye-opener. Very interesting stuff.

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Thanks for the sales data Pax.
 
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The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening.

I see a different reason low numbers are more likely taken. Here are my thoughts.

numbers from 0001 to 2005 are years that may have historical implications (birthdays, historical significance, future graduation dates, etc.) as usage for a website as well as numbers up to 2030 or so for speculation.

A potential usage for numbers is the address of a building. I know of several building know as the #### building. Even small towns would have low numbers, but only the very largest cities would have 50 or more blocks numbered consecutively that could use numbers over 5000. People naturally start numbering things in order, so anything would be less likely to use the high numbers that gets numbered.

2 and 4 are often used for "to" and "for". 6 through 9 don't have this common usage, even though 8 could be use for "ate" in a stretch.

We don't naturally use leading zeros unless we have to so, they would naturally be confusing for real use.

even though taken and some do get PPC traffic, I see little useful value in speculation in random 4 number domains. particularly non-.com ones.
 
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even though taken and some do get PPC traffic, I see little useful value in speculation in random 4 number domains. particularly non-.com ones.
The asian world would disagree with you greatly on that point.
 
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too good not to bump. IMO

Thanks Again Paxton.
 
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Awesome post paxton :) It was a great to read. Thanks for posting.

-Pratik
 
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Very weird. I hand regged a NNNN.net around 3-4 days ago -_-. (8997.net i think).

BTW how the crap is 4080 going around $100 -_-. HOORAY FOR ME :) ( i have 3090 and 3060 .net BOTH manually dropcatched :bingo: :bingo: ) D-: D-: D-:

I have around 10 NNNN that dont start with 0 so yea long term investment :tu:
 
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