Ion Design Team

I love this design so much that I just have to say again how wonderful this is.
I hope one day to design as well as you can.

Great design I like it a lot =)

*speachless*

Okay now that you've heard how great your site is 1,000 times, here's my, generally more negative, critique.

The site is a rather obvious imitation of 2Advanced work. The design is exceedingly flashy (yes, even if it was ALL done in dhtml, which is by far the coolest part about the site), and it does not look like any attention was given to a creative layout of the site's content. Overall, the site looks great compared to the billions of other pages out there, but if you were looking to create something truely special, you've failed.

It's my believe that "web technicians" are the people who only take pieces of other people's past work to create their sites, while the artists, the true web designers, are the ones creating original concepts and content. You make a great technician.

Ed

mcfry said:

Okay now that you've heard how great your site is 1,000 times, here's my, generally more negative, critique.

The site is a rather obvious imitation of 2Advanced work. The design is exceedingly flashy (yes, even if it was ALL done in dhtml, which is by far the coolest part about the site), and it does not look like any attention was given to a creative layout of the site's content. Overall, the site looks great compared to the billions of other pages out there, but if you were looking to create something truely special, you've failed.

It's my believe that "web technicians" are the people who only take pieces of other people's past work to create their sites, while the artists, the true web designers, are the ones creating original concepts and content. You make a great technician.

Ed

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*speachless again*

mcfry, I liked your comment!
Well the concept at least, a little bit less I liked the agressivity, it is not needed, and quite out of place (IMHO) , by the way you outlined the difference between a technician and an artist, that fits in each field.
That is a topic that would involve much more reasoning and writing, I just want to add that there are great technicians so great that they are even arise their skill to a form of art, on the other hand there are artist with great creativity and little technicall skill, so that the result can't be properly defined a form of art...but simply an expression of creativity....

I would be pleased if you open another topic (this topic belong to the person who started it so in some way it is like his own home) and place there some link to some site that you consider worth to be seen for the artistic value...
So we can grab some idea maybe

thank you

Genialnames said:

mcfry, I liked your comment!
Well the concept at least, a little bit less I liked the agressivity, it is not needed, and quite out of place (IMHO) , by the way you outlined the difference between a technician and an artist, that fits in each field.
That is a topic that would involve much more reasoning and writing, I just want to add that there are great technicians so great that they are even arise their skill to a form of art, on the other hand there are artist with great creativity and little technicall skill, so that the result can't be properly defined a form of art...but simply an expression of creativity....

I would be pleased if you open another topic (this topic belong to the person who started it so in some way it is like his own home) and place there some link to some site that you consider worth to be seen for the artistic value...
So we can grab some idea maybe

thank you

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sounds interesting - could you post the link here, or pm me with it... but for now... back to IonDesign website.

If it is not done in Flash, i am even more speachless. It is an amazing site. It looks great, but not too "busy". It looks like a web design site!

If it is not done in Flash, i am even more speachless. It is an amazing....!

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Yes , true, I miss to mention that has so much impressed me too, I will check asap because stil I cant believe it.

BTW, how is supported DHTM by most of browsers?
What advantages respect FLASH? (dunno : weight, speed,)
just interested to know

DHTML is actually an inferior technology to implement than Flash (in all aspsects: filesize, rendering ability and speed, and broswer compatability [both are at about 98%]). The only cool thing about using DHTML in place of Flash is that it's a technical feat. I imagine that it's much more difficult to create a page such as this in DHTML than in flash. But while it's technically impressive, it isn't logically the best technical choice for use in creating the site.

No one here has previously mentioned 2advanced. Frankly im honored that it finaly has happened. I don't put myself in the same category as 2advanced but i will happily forfit my design talent if you show me one 2advanced site that in the slightest resembles mine.

In light of your comments i can live out the rest of my life being a "good technician"

As for why Dhtml and not flash.. simple...search engine optimization.

If I was to develop in complete flash i would grow old before anyone found me. Because again i am not and will never be 2advanced.

I want to say one thing... This is the first and only forum that iondesignteam has posted the site in. I have been greatly appreciative of the comments left here. Ion Design Team is a fledgeling company and seeks only to improve our site and image. If you have a critique that is objective and intelligent please comment here.

I have some things I know need improvement but i have not heard any comments regarding these things thus far.

usability if of the utmost importance and I have witnessed first hand problems in this area.

Listen, it's clear that you used pixelranger and 2A for a foundation of most of your work. I don't typically waste time in flame wars, though, so I'm going to opt out of saying, for example, that you've basically created a dumbed-down version of pixelranger's splash page (I won't say to put the pages side-by-side and notice the similarities), or that you copied 2A's content placement (right side for showcase work and news, miscellaneous items on the bottom, main content in the center, navigation on top), or even that stricklersigns (your client site) looks one whole hell of a lot like skywork's last website (picture still available on pixelranger.com's portfolio). There's nothing wrong with using other sites for inspiration. We all do it. Even I. The point that I was trying to make was that your site isn't creative. And sorry, it just ain't.

I'm also sorry that you took my comments the wrong way. They were objective, and while I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings, I surely wasn't trying to protect them either. I don't think that anyone needs empty ego boosts, as good as they may feel. In fact, anytime I need feedback, I ask enimies because they're the only people who won't shield me from the truth. I mean, the only reason that we ask for feedback in the first place is to see the errors that we're blind to for one reason or another. But apparently you don't agree with this train of thought, so from now on, just tack on "please elaborate on the positive aspects of this site" to all of your posts.

Sure, your designs might not improve, but you'll sleep better.

The way I see it ... a designer is either driven towards a goal of what they believe is perfection or they are guided by the feeling that they have to do something totally creative that has never been done before. A funny thing happens though when you limit yourself in that way. You end up with a web page consisting of two rectangles and a minimalist, boring, lifeless site.

I refuse to limit my designs because someone like you has a problem or feels threatened by the skill required to pull it off. Get in the game. In my opinion your running from actually working hard on a design for fear that if it is actually good someone like yourself will criticize it for having been done before. I'd rather have put everything I can into my design utilizing every technique I have in my arsenal to make a killer design. I will continue to push myself to do great work. That is my only goal and provides me with all the satisfaction I need to do this work for a lifetime.

Nice site, and good use of java, what program did you use??? :kickass:

hotrodtodd said:

The way i see it ... a designer is either driven towards a goal of what they believe is perfection or they are guided by the feeling that they have to do something totaly creative that has never been done before. A funny thing happens though when you limit yourself in that way. You end up with a web page consisting of two rectangles and a minimalistic, boring, lifeless site.

I refuse to limit my designs because someone like you has a problem or feels threatened by the skill required to pull it off. Get in the game. In my opinion your running from actually working hard on a design for fear that if it is actually good someone like yourself will critisize it for having been done before. I'd rather have put everything i can into my design utilizing every technique I have in my arsenal to make a killer design. I will continue to push myself to do great work. That is my only goal and provides me with all the satifaction I need to do this work for a lifetime.

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Then kudos to you, my poor-spelling friend.

cablejobs said:

Nice site, and good use of java, what program did you use??? :kickass:

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If by Java you mean javascript then thankyou. No Java was used. As far as I know there is a big diff. Anyway... I design using PS and build in Dreamweaver MX2004. thanks again

Hey Mcfry... Truce ?

we'll agree to disagree.

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I refuse to limit my designs because someone like you has a problem or feels threatened by the skill required to pull it off. Get in the game.

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Listen, Todd, no one was fighting. I just think it's funny that you assume you're God's gift to design because a bunch of design beginners tell you you're great. Make your way on over to some more advanced forums, like were-here.com, before you come to that conclusion.

Ed

Looks very nice and professional, personally I think it looks awesome. Best of luck! :tu:

Very good design I think. Nothing really I can criticise, so well done!

LOLS at mcfry's comments!!

i think he has a point with what he says and i think everyone knows it. but you know...we all browse websites every day and if theres a style uve seen and like etc obviously you want to build upon it, to make something even better and professional. similarities dont matter, as long as in the end your site is better than what you based your orginal concept off - thats what matters! (to me ne way )

i think its a good looking site. dont see the point of the dhtml but must of been tricky to put together.
Overall its one of the better sites knocking about but it seems to be sluggish to me which i think harms its usability somewhat.

anyway good work

carlb007 said:

LOLS at mcfry's comments!!

i think he has a point with what he says and i think everyone knows it. but you know...we all browse websites every day and if theres a style uve seen and like etc obviously you want to build upon it, to make something even better and professional. similarities dont matter, as long as in the end your site is better than what you based your orginal concept off - thats what matters! (to me ne way )

i think its a good looking site. dont see the point of the dhtml but must of been tricky to put together.
Overall its one of the better sites knocking about but it seems to be sluggish to me which i think harms its usability somewhat.

anyway good work

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My brother and I have had the idea of ion design team for quite a while. I would design something and together we'd spend weeks tweeking every little thing in flash. At some point however, mainly due to a lack of content we'd grow bored of the design and I would brainstorm again and the whole cycle would start again. I decided that I was just going to put a site together my self from start to finish so that we would have something to show for all our efforts. Because my bro is the motion grafx gy and I work primarily with PHP, Html, and javascript I shyed away from flash and used dhtml for any flashy stuff in hopes that someday my brother will take the torch and convert the site into flash. As I mentioned before the benefit is seo capabilities. Flash is nearly impossible to optimize successfully.

Thanks


I have recieved alot of good feedback on the site(not just good as in positive but good as in helpfull) I think I'll let this string breath awhile till I can find the time to implement some updates to ion and then I'll check back.

thanks for all