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The official .mobi/ .asia/ .me/ .TV sucks thread

It seems every good thread these days gets filled with .mobi/ .asia/ .IDN/ .TV/ .us, debates. So here's a thread we can have at it! We can also refer people here if things get heated.

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I'll start with a neutral statement:

WTF is the point of .mobi?
 
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EYE DEE EN will save the world... Mo-Bee will unite it, and dot-EH-SHA will bring everlasting peace to all.

thats the final word on all this.
 
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Reece said:
I still distinctly remember prices reported in DN Journal even in today's rough economy being stronger than 2005 for dotcom...

I guess you misunderstood my sentence.

Prices reported in DNJournal are only about big .com sales (over $2,000). Ron Jackson doesn't report any of the .com sales below $2,000.

When Sedo talk about average .com domain sales, they're talking about all their .com sales, whatever their amount, both over and under $2,000.

This shows what has been by others on NP and elsewhere. Excellent .com domains have been doing very well over the past years, but there are millions of crappy .com domains that are still selling for regfee or very low amounts, and lots of other .com domains that are dropped everyday.

DNJournal never even talks about all these very low .com sales.

Most of the .com domains are of very low quality (just have a look at the expired domain lists everyday or even at the appraisal section on NP).

As there are fewer domains registered in other extensions than in .com, it's relatively easier to get a great generic/geo/keyword in .co.uk or other meaningful gTLDs/ccTLDs.

Those great generics/geos/keywords in .co.uk, etc. are rising in value (just like those in .com). But there are far fewer crappy domains registered in .co.uk than in .com, because there are simply far fewer domains registered in these extensions than in .com.

That's why we see this difference between average prices that Sedo were talking about.
 
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Ah. Thanks for elaborating :)

michaeldotcom said:
I guess you misunderstood my sentence.

Prices reported in DNJournal are only about big .com sales (over $2,000). Ron Jackson doesn't report any of the .com sales below $2,000.

When Sedo talk about average .com domain sales, they're talking about all their .com sales, whatever their amount, both over and under $2,000.

This shows what has been by others on NP and elsewhere. Excellent .com domains have been doing very well over the past years, but there are millions of crappy .com domains that are still selling for regfee or very low amounts, and lots of other .com domains that are dropped everyday.

DNJournal never even talks about all these very low .com sales.

Most of the .com domains are of very low quality (just have a look at the expired domain lists everyday or even at the appraisal section on NP).

As there are fewer domains registered in other extensions than in .com, it's relatively easier to get a great generic/geo/keyword in .co.uk or other meaningful gTLDs/ccTLDs.

Those great generics/geos/keywords in .co.uk, etc. are rising in value (just like those in .com). But there are far fewer crappy domains registered in .co.uk than in .com, because there are simply far fewer domains registered in these extensions than in .com.

That's why we see this difference between average prices that Sedo were talking about.
 
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@michaeldotcom

Nice explanation. Tried adding rep but it says We're glad that you're fond of this member, but please give some rep points to some other members before giving it to michaeldotcom again. So I had to donate some NP$. ;)
 
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soggyindo said:
WTF is the point of .mobi?

Bottom line ... an attempt by few mid-level marketing folks at a registry - aided by a handful of Usual Suspect™ domainer folks that reside at the top of this "pyramid scheme" - to hype and pump up a completely awkward, obsolete, and UNBRANDABLE extension for AS MUCH :$: GREED MONEY as they can possibly get! :o :sick: :imho:

Of coure, this will - and has - adversely affected many good, decent folks and fellow members of our #1 Namepros! With this in mind, we should always strive for demanding the ANSWERS and providing an open balance of discussions for the #1 Community! :xf.love: :imho:

Caveat Emptor, friends.
-Jeff B-)
 
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Jeff is wrong - we need mobi for world peace.

anyone who doesnt agree is the devil.
 
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Sufyan said:
@michaeldotcom
Nice explanation. Tried adding rep but it says We're glad that you're fond of this member, but please give some rep points to some other members before giving it to michaeldotcom again. So I had to donate some NP$. ;)

Thanks a lot ! Always a pleasure debating with you and the other great members of Namepros. :)
 
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michaeldotcom said:
However, domaining is all about taking risks. Maybe you will be proved right and we will be proved wrong. Who knows ?
People nonetheless need to understand the difference between calculated risks based upon educated analysis, and pure gamble :)

When you look at the mobi/asia/etc showcase you have to wonder if domainers really get 'it'. :zzz:
 
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i get it! i get it!

what do i win?
 
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Mobi's a tax writeoff for me. For new domainers starting out... Well, maybe they're not so lucky. I do like to gamble from time to time -- best to do it with money you can afford to lose however :)

Kath said:
People nonetheless need to understand the difference between calculated risks based upon educated analysis, and pure gamble :)

When you look at the mobi/asia/etc showcase you have to wonder if domainers really get 'it'. :zzz:
 
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michaeldotcom said:
And despite all that, the .eu extension is still very much a failure.

are you joking?
.eu is the 4th TLD in Europe, with 2.8 millions registered domains in 2 years!
 
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davnin said:
are you joking?
.eu is the 4th TLD in Europe, with 2.8 millions registered domains in 2 years!

There are indeed lots of .eu domains registered and owned by speculators, but very very few of them are actually developed and promoted.

The problem with .eu is very similar with .mobi or .asia. Real lack of development...

But don't take my world for it. Just look at Google Trends for .eu :

http://www.google.com/trends?q=.eu
 
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mjnels said:
i dont understand IDN, therefore i hate it.
I'm with you on that one, lol :)
 
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Jeff, who are these "Usual Suspects?" Since you seem to blame these people for everything under the sun, why don't you grow a pair and tell us who these people are.
 
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One of my favorite movies :)
 
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michaeldotcom said:
There are indeed lots of .eu domains registered and owned by speculators, but very very few of them are actually developed and promoted.

The problem with .eu is very similar with .mobi or .asia. Real lack of development...

But don't take my world for it. Just look at Google Trends for .eu :

http://www.google.com/trends?q=.eu

you can find the same speculation for others TLDs

by the way, Google Trends is related to searches, not to domain registrations
 
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mjnels said:
Jeff is wrong - we need mobi for world peace.

anyone who doesnt agree is the devil.

Most convincing argument I have hear to date.
:hearts: :hehe:
 
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michaeldotcom said:
However, domaining is all about taking risks. Maybe you will be proved right and we will be proved wrong. Who knows ?

Yes, I agree - calculated risks, but risks, nonetheless....And, domaining is no different to any other business, in that respect.


I happen to think that .mobi has a good chance of finding a substantial place in the emerging mobile web - and, a better-than-evens chance of finding a profitable niche within it. Many domainers - even the majority - disagree. That's fine by me. Each to their own judgement.


Having said that, I do believe the whole mobile space has a very long way to go yet. The current tools for the development & use of mobile sites etc are still in their infancy. And, aside from Japan & South Korea, the mobile space is, itself, in its infancy in most markets....Even how consumers & business product & service providers will actually interact has yet to become clear....And, the business models for mobile businesses, that will provide a return on investment in the mobile space, have not yet been properly established....It doesn't surprise me, therefore, that many don't feel positive about .mobi today.


None of this deters me. It just says that the new business models haven't been worked out yet. All of this will be vastly improved, within a few short years. As, indeed, will the mainstream understanding, and use, of mobile technology....But, it does say to me, that my real return on investment is likely to be some years away. I build that into my investment strategy.

(Price movements for domains, up or down, over a 6-month period, in this context, are irrelevant. In this new mobile space, there's a tectonic shift going on - I think in terms of years).


Many of us will recall being online in the 1990's - with the dreaded dial-up modems - taking forever to download the smallest file from the .com sites we visited - and, then, after waiting forever, the .com sites we went to were usually crude, simplistic, and often useless....And, online business revenue was almost non-existent, because online financial security for credit cards hadn't been perfected....Nor had the advertising models that came later...It was as the medium became better understood - and the tools to use it were perfected - that the internet, in general, and .com, in particular, took off, and provided the opportunities we have seen over the years...


Yes, .mobi is a risk....So are many other extensions. But, as the mobile web takes hold - and millions/billions of new people come online in the future - many of them directly onto mobile devices straight away - I'm betting that the only global Top Level Domain specifically created for mobile use will find a decent place in that scenario. That's my bet, in this regard....It will take only a relatively small percentage of these millions/billions to adopt .mobi, for .mobi to be very successful....


I have invested in top .mobi names, and I am, & will, develop them. I hope to build significant businesses with each of them. And, perhaps, I'll sell each of those domains/businesses to the then bigger end-user players in the mobile space of the future. Hopefully, for very serious money.


If I'm wrong - and.mobi doesn't find a decent place in this mobile future - then, I'll have done the dough....If it does - then, perhaps I'll make extraordinary profits....It was ever thus - risk brings the chance of its own reward.


I can only say to you - back your own judgment, in each of your investments....And, lets respect each other for the different bets we each make in the domain space.

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The funny part on this 'discussion' of what extensions suck, is that if one looks, 96% of the 'in the know' answers are from those who've been on these boards (in domaining?) for a year or less, maybe 3-4 (more pragmatic repliers) a lot longer, oh and of course the consistantly negative one, that knows everything!

Any extension is what one makes of it, not what other's think of it!! Profit is profit!

I'd say the "these extensions suck argument' should be taken up with ICANN, instead of being turned into ridiculing others with 'my extension is better than your extension' bickering.

And the only 'Usual Suspect' here, is the one you can count on here to consistantly ridicule other members investments with impunity.
 
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If anyone has any LLL.mobi / L-L.mobi that they want to sell for under $50 then please pm me :)
 
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newton said:
If anyone has any LLL.mobi / L-L.mobi that they want to sell for under $50 then please pm me :)
and a ditto on this for me too.
 
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$50 for L-L.mobi eh.. i had hundreds of those about 18 months ago, sold em all for quite a bit less than that. :p
 
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mjnels said:
$50 for L-L.mobi eh.. i had hundreds of those about 18 months ago, sold em all for quite a bit less than that. :p

Yeah I know, I got those already :p
 
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although, i did manage to sell U-T.mobi for $3,000 to a 'bonafide end user'™ that contacted me and was very interested in a short mobey (thats how you spell it, right?) domain for their mobile version site.

the site is active with 'unique and compelling content'™, ran by the san diego union-tribune (known online as signonsandiego.com)... 25th largest newspaper in the U.S. in terms of circulation.
 
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