.mobi LLL.mobi Possible-Buyout

Archangel · Mar 6, 2009

Everyone knows that the LLL.mobi sold out long ago but eventually, many owners let their domains drop. I made a list a few days ago showing the available LLL.mobi domains and I'm a tad surprised.

There are 18,928 possible LLL combinations. When I complied the list, there were 1,984 LLL's available. But a decent amount were regged from then til now. So I'm thinking that since .mobi is still pretty new and many companies will surely develop more mobile-friendly websites, there could be another LLL.mobi buyout. I have no idea if it'll stay but I do foresee a buyout sometime soon.

GoDaddy is having a $7.99 (or so) .mobi special and several other registrars are having sales, too. I think it would be wise to pick up a few LLL's now for future investments. Even if LLL.mobis fail to turn a decent profit, you'll only be losing your reg fees. For those interested, here is a list of all LLL.mobis available right now. I'll try to keep this list updated. Reps are always appreciated

What is your opinion of LLL.mobi? Do you think ppl should take this small gamble? Anyway, here is the list as of Sunday May 31th 2009:

BUYOUT!

0 domains!
(5/31/09)

(1,984 were available around 3/1/09)
(1,943 were available on 3/6/09)
(1,916 were available on 3/11/09)
(1,865 were available on 3/26/09)
(1,294 were available on 4/22/09)
(1,267 were available on 4/28/09)
(1,254 were available on 5/11/09)

mjnels · Mar 7, 2009

Jeff said:
Buyout ... not any time soon (see below), in my judgement.

There is currently a VERY SERIOUS credibility problem right now with mTLD and the ".MOBI" extension ... in not enforcing RE-revised development deadlines for the auctioned Premium Domains, as well as in leaving open the lingering questions as to whether (and their deadlines) there are firm development requirements for the 1 and 2 character domains - both of these unfortunate circumstances casting doubt on the entire platform as there is no assurance that mTLD any longer supports the critical developed .MOBI "ecosystem", IMHO.

i agree the buyout will take a while... but the reasons you give are things domain speculators dont really care about or base their investment decisions on.

Jeff said:
Prices are off 85% - 95%+ from their peak, mass DROPS continue, and nothing will change unless and until mTLD addresses these questions and concerns! :yell: :imho:
The buyout could happen with some candor and immediate action from mTLD, in other words.

well, its a good thing the peak is referring to insane bubble prices. now if prices were down 85-95% from the landrush price of $60, then i'd be in trouble.

mass drops were bound to happen because speculators always register worthless crap that wouldnt even be worth anything in .COM.... so not a good measuring stick for a TLD's health.

000 · Mar 7, 2009

If I had $15k sitting around and was looking to invest it, I'd consider doing a buyout myself.

$15k can buy 1,950 LLL.mobi's..... mmmm...... yummy.....

tech4 · Mar 7, 2009

You must be joking, $15k registering now, meaning it will expire March 2010. Not sure if thats logical.

000 · Mar 7, 2009

Eh, it's not for everyone.

Might pay off... might not... but that's the fun of risky investments. :blink:

I'm not sure myself if I'm serious, but it's interesting to think about... and dream of controlling 10% of the LLL.mobi's....

mjnels · Mar 7, 2009

it could be done for 14k if registered somewhere that costs $6.99 per domain (resellerclub.com)

depending on how long the next 1,000 domains take to sell-out, i would consider doing a buyout too... but its way too risky right now.. i dont want to own nearly 2,000 of the crappiest ones. no way.

000 · Mar 7, 2009

mjnels said:
i dont want to own nearly 2,000 of the crappiest ones. no way.

Remember, crappy to you and me..... gold to someone...

To make a profit you've only got to sell them for $10 each. Could that be done? Who's to say....

But yes I agree that a buyout right now would be quite risky..... but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and in [much] less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...

Archangel · Mar 7, 2009

If I had $15k TO SPARE then I'd buy them out. Right now, I don't have $1k to spare lol so a little investment isn't bad. I regged MXB.mobi & BGX.mobi a week back. Are they great? No. Are they perfect investments? Nah. Are they guaranteed to make me rich? Hell no. lol But there are chances that otherwise I'll sell them in 2 years for $200-500+ each and chances that I'll be wasting my money. And I'm a good investor. I'm willing to risk about $30 to make $500-1k or so. There are no guarantees in domaining but there is speculation. And I'm happy enough with that.

Fork · Mar 7, 2009

If anyone's interested, here's that .mobi list with their respective Google results (without the extension)
http://pastebin.com/m3ca9f88b

Archangel · Mar 7, 2009

Egnited said:
Remember, crappy to you and me..... gold to someone...

To make a profit you've only got to sell them for $10 each. Could that be done? Who's to say....

But yes I agree that a buyout right now would be quite risky..... but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and in [much] less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...

How many domain investors are there? Little or big? There are well over 100,000 accounts at NP so I'm guessing the number is high.

If 10% of them regged just 1 LLL.mobi, well... is that hard to digest? I regged 2 recently and I've seen another reg about 5-8 or so. So yeah, I agree with you -- a buyout within a year is possible. It might not happen but it's possible.

Shockt said:
If anyone's interested, here's that .mobi list with their respective Google results (without the extension)
http://pastebin.com/m3ca9f88b

Great list

Reps added

mjnels · Mar 7, 2009

Egnited said:
Remember, crappy to you and me..... gold to someone...

To make a profit you've only got to sell them for $10 each. Could that be done? Who's to say....

But yes I agree that a buyout right now would be quite risky..... but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and [much] in less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...

i know what you're sayin, but when we're talking a volume of 2,000 domains the main customers will be domainers who have mostly the same standards when it comes to reseller pricing.

selling for $10ea is trickier than it sounds... once you start to flood the market they will quickly drop back to reg-fee (or unsellable) temporarily... this is what the previous owner of the 4,700 LLL.mobi's realized only he was a little too extreme about how many he held. i actually purchased 100 LLL.mobi from the guy that previously owned em and he was concerned with whether i intended to flip them on the forums or hold them myself. i paid about $7,500 for 100 crappy LLL back in early 2008 and sold them for all $80-$100ea and if you recall my threads on the other .mobi forum, it was hard to push them at even that price which was unheard of back then. i continued to set the minimum LLL.mobi price until the buyout broke.

I did the L-L.mobi and N-N.mobi buyout like 2 weeks after the LLL.mobi buyout happened... cost me about $9,000... so i have tried stuff like this before and when you flood the market the value drops to almost nothing. I made money with the L-L.mobi/N-N.mobi buyout but if i would have choose to hold i woulda lost my ass.

000 · Mar 7, 2009

I do think that a buyout will occur sooner than most expect. But yes IF it were done by one person (I think it will be a combination) they would have to pretty much count on getting a handful of end user sales, and not rely on selling to domainers. Not a great gamble to make... but who knows... all I'm sayin' is it would be an interesting investment to make................ :blink:

Shockt said:
If anyone's interested, here's that .mobi list with their respective Google results (without the extension)
http://pastebin.com/m3ca9f88b

Cool, thanks! Just took one that I liked.....

Archangel · Mar 7, 2009

mjnels said:
i know what you're sayin, but when we're talking a volume of 2,000 domains the main customers will be domainers who have mostly the same standards when it comes to reseller pricing.

selling for $10ea is trickier than it sounds... once you start to flood the market they will quickly drop back to reg-fee (or unsellable) temporarily... this is what the previous owner of the 4,700 LLL.mobi's realized only he was a little too extreme about how many he held. i actually purchased 100 LLL.mobi from the guy that previously owned em and he was concerned with whether i intended to flip them on the forums or hold them myself. i paid about $7,500 for 100 crappy LLL back in early 2008 and sold them for all $80-$100ea and if you recall my threads on the other .mobi forum, it was hard to push them at that even at that price which was unheard of back then. i continued to set the minimum LLL.mobi price until the buyout broke.

I did the L-L.mobi and N-N.mobi buyout like 2 weeks after the LLL.mobi buyout happened... cost me about $9,000... so i have tried stuff like this before and when you flood the market the value drops to almost nothing. I made money with the L-L.mobi/N-N.mobi buyout buy if i would have choose to hold i woulda lost my ass.

That's a good arguement and losing THAT much money would make anyone hesitant.

IF another buyout occurs, surely most of those domains will be held by investors. Some will flip them and others will hold onto them. The real endusers won't be seen until more moile-complient sites are made. So you might have to hold one for 1-2 years (or longer) before it's worth much. But I couldn't foresee anyone doing a quick-flip of $10 each. Chances are, they'l have a decent asking price & the domains might not sell. After awhile, he might let them drop. But you know how the market is: If all LLL.mobis were gone and then one pops up on an expired list, it'll likely be taken.

The only real killer would be if more developed mobile sites aren't made anytime soon. And as companies keep trying to pursue customers, surely we'll see some more soon, thus LLL's will be desired once again. But WHEN this happens is anyone's guess.

Egnited said:
Cool, thanks! Just took one that I liked.....

See? He just regged one. And lord knows how many -- if any other -- LLL's were taken today from this thread. Interest is there. Now it's a question of if that interest makes a buyer. It's like saying, "Oh, I love my friend's Nintendo Wii... should I get one?"

snoop · Mar 7, 2009

Egnited said:
If I had $15k sitting around and was looking to invest it, I'd consider doing a buyout myself.

$15k can buy 1,950 LLL.mobi's..... mmmm...... yummy.....

I hate to say it but that is probably why you don't have 15k!

I've heard this so many times, usually it is people in appraisal threads trying to justify their crazy valuations of names saying that they'd buy the name for that price "if they had the money". Of course in reality if they did that they'd probably lose most of their money.

For one person to buy 2000 lll.mobi would just create another overhang and no sensible domainer is likely to do it anytime soon. Historically when one person buys out a big chunk of the names the buyout often (usually?) falls over, a bit like what happened to LLLL.com in 2000-2001, it took another 7 years for another buyout to occur, one that has lasted (thus far anyway).

Egnited said:
but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and in [much] less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...

Remember you've also got drops, with the worst ones now being worth $0 a lot more people will likely be letting them go.

Egnited said:
But yes IF it were done by one person (I think it will be a combination) they would have to pretty much count on getting a handful of end user sales, and not rely on selling to domainers.

I very much doubt it. Even in .com low quality LLL have near no enduser demand. If low quality LLL.mobi had enough enduser demand to justify reg fees the last guy wouldn't have dropped all his.

000 · Mar 7, 2009

I wouldn't seriously support or recommend a one-man buyout... (the better idea would be to register enough of the "better" ones to push other domainers to finish the remaining (absolute lowest quality) LLL's off for you. :cy

I'm just saying that I do think a buyout will happen, and I don't think it'll take a year. I'm not going to do a buyout, and no, I wouldn't even if I had the funds to do such. :hehe:

I don't even like crappy LLL combos in any extension. MUCH better investments out there to be made imho. Names like the ones in my sig are the type of .mobi's I like.

tech4 · Mar 7, 2009

Egnited, you are such a positive person. How much dot mobi are you developing?

000 · Mar 7, 2009

tech4 said:
Egnited, you are such a positive person. How much dot mobi are you developing?

I currently don't have many live sites of my own, but am now focusing more on that. I'm more a developer than a domainer, so I've purchased almost all of my .mobi's with specific development plans in mind. I think that helps keep the quality of my portfolio up to par.

I've developed a number of .mobi sites in the past couple years, but most were either for domainer clients, or are sites that I've since sold.

Right now I am hard at work on development of a St Louis site, as well as continuing the development of my Spanish.mobi translation tool. I'm a supporter of high quality, full-effort development, which explains why I might appear to be moving slowly.

tech4 · Mar 7, 2009

I see, high quality, your at the top of the food chain. I got into domaining in 2003 to develop a site in simple html for my organization. After it was done, never looked back, just purchased a bunch of not so great domain and held them until today. Kind of crazy, I had them on renewal up to 10 years until expiration date, thought someone would buy it.

When I first heard of dot Mobi and dot Info, I was like, all the money have been made in Dot Com so there's no use. Which was wrong then when it first launches, however now, that theory seems to be correct. The early bird gets the worms. The rest take flight.

labrocca · Mar 7, 2009

I actually rate Mobi a buy now. It's really come to a full circle where valuations are near reg fee. How much more attractive can you get? Now when you buy mobi you know what you are getting.Paying $200 or $300 for a mobi imho seemed overinflated for such a new extension. I grabbed 7 at reg fee today. I might develop one or two but at reg prices you can't go wrong for development. And if I happen to find a buyer for one or two then that's cool too.

Mobi has corrected and in a big way. The underlying arguments that promobi's have always made at least now have a value...reg fee. I can agree with that.

imho...I have a fair chance of selling one or two in a few years to possibly break even. Maybe even a chance I can get more.

mTLD is a POS and Jeff is right on that front but realistically mTLD doesn't have complete control over the success of mobi. If it is to do well it's from development. At reg fee it's a good argument to experiment and see if you can get momentum on one. We'll see. I am a bit more optimistic now. However realize that all those people gouging about mobi early on..know full well they overpaid and made seriously bad investments.

ChineseDomain · Mar 7, 2009

it will be difficult to get buyout, because:
1. current active dotmobi domainer population is small.
2. most of the active ones get enough dotmobis in the laundrush ii.

who will buyout the lll.mobi? unless lots of new dotmobi domainers come. based on the eco recession now, it will be few new ones.

for example, i got double dotmobi in this ii as i have before. difficult to sell decent one at the price $75 each. i do not think i will invest more now. fortunately, i sold several to end users. it help me as part of the renewal fees

mjnels · Mar 7, 2009

snoop said:
Remember you've also got drops, with the worst ones now being worth $0 a lot more people will likely be letting them go.

there will be zero LLL.mobi drops for about 5 more months. around that time, the Sunrise TM regs will start to drop.. but there will be very very few of those. there were less than 50 last year. it will be at least 9 months before any LLL.mobi can start to drop in big numbers. these will be from landrush... and if the buyout hasnt completed by then, people will really really start to drop their LLL.mobi. as i mentioned a few posts back - the only reason LLL.mobi didnt drop in huge numbers last year is because the buyout still held when landrush renewals came along... this is when the large bulk of LLL.mobi's were registered.

labrocca said:
However realize that all those people gouging about mobi early on..know full well they overpaid and made seriously bad investments.

maybe most, but not all. i was making your same "good deal at reg-fee" argument 3 years ago about quality generic .mobi domains. i didnt buy any LLL.mobi in 2006 -- too much of a mob mentality.

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