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So, has it always been like this on this forum? I see pages and pages of posts of people trying to sell lists of domains with no responses except themselves :o
Some of these names are decent too...since I haven't been on this board that long, I was just curious if this was always the case since it's free here. Or maybe your domain just really has to STAND OUT??

It used to be you could at least make your money back on lower quality domains...seems like those days are over.
 
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AfternicAfternic
Your right, a lot more people are selling domains now, compared to last year.
 
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Its always the domainers / developers that are seasoned and who already made their $$$$ in this industry before now that have th luxury to say its only a temp problem blah blah.

Hey MR. successful domainer with all the $$$$ and sales behind them. Try starting in this business within the last year and see how upbeat and positive you stay! I can stay as upbeat as the next guy WHEN my portfolio is loaded with generic .coms and I already made $$1000's selling them in the past. Lets see how you do now starting as a newbie.

You would be bitchin just like all us poor domain shmucks that missed the gravy train!!
 
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it is like that in every industry... not just domaining.
 
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This is the best time to pick up a great name at a stupidly cheap price! Good times for buyers, bad times for sellers.
 
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onlinedomains00 said:
it is like that in every industry... not just domaining.

so what?? we are talking about domaining here
 
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VisionEdger said:
Its always the domainers / developers that are seasoned and who already made their $$$$ in this industry before now that have th luxury to say its only a temp problem blah blah.

Hey MR. successful domainer with all the $$$$ and sales behind them. Try starting in this business within the last year and see how upbeat and positive you stay! I can stay as upbeat as the next guy WHEN my portfolio is loaded with generic .coms and I already made $$1000's selling them in the past. Lets see how you do now starting as a newbie.

You would be bitchin just like all us poor domain shmucks that missed the gravy train!!


Please use some type of grammar. I have no idea what this post means.
 
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i think so too but then again thinking you're on NamePros.com the #1 forum for domainers so i guess your domain have really to stand out.

Burano said:
So, has it always been like this on this forum? I see pages and pages of posts of people trying to sell lists of domains with no responses except themselves :o
Some of these names are decent too...since I haven't been on this board that long, I was just curious if this was always the case since it's free here. Or maybe your domain just really has to STAND OUT??

It used to be you could at least make your money back on lower quality domains...seems like those days are over.
 
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Does the Oil Industry affect the Domain Industry? YOU better believe it does.

So should we pay attention to other industries? OF COURSE we should.
VisionEdger said:
so what?? we are talking about domaining here
 
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Sometime soon the turn is coming round the corner and then it will not be a buyers market. :) I am also in a buying mood from last 3 months. Some 5 figures already spent and planning to spend low 4 figures in this month. But yes buyers get choosy and they like what they like. So we see threads where a reg fee type domain goes for high prices and good ones don't gets bidded on. [Different perspectives of looking]

Thanks.
 
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Depends a lot on what you are selling.

The .ca market probably has never been so hot.
 
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whitebark said:
Depends a lot on what you are selling.

The .ca market probably has never been so hot.
Agreed, quality is quality, that is what sells easily IMO

Although .ca market I am not in, but good for those who invested in the right .ca names, if they are doing well
 
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All economies have been affected...
the cost of borrowing money is high

Domaining is like any market...it is a buyers market
The Suppy and Demand equation is at work at Namepros

Cheers
Corey
 
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VisionEdger said:
Try starting in this business within the last year and see how upbeat and positive you stay! I can stay as upbeat as the next guy WHEN my portfolio is loaded with generic .coms and I already made $$1000's selling them in the past. Lets see how you do now starting as a newbie.

You would be bitchin just like all us poor domain shmucks that missed the gravy train!!

People who started in the last year began at the peak, they bought high (even if it was buyout names for reg fees) and many will sell low or drop names. There isn't much to be said for them other than they timed it completely wrong and most won't last in the industry.

Many people do have to get it wrong, especially in speculative trading scenarios (llll.com, .mobi, .asia, .eu, all the buyouts after llll.com that had no fundamentals) which is what many bought into, that is how the world works.

The market will come back at some point though, the best time to buy will be marked with people leaving the industry and and general scepticism about the ability to make profits in domaining, I think that time could be a while off yet though. Personally I feel the downturn will last another 6-12 months.
 
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dnZoom said:
Burano -- seems like you're famous!
Sahar picked up on your comment after you posted this:http://www.conceptualist.com/2008/06/24/when-domainers-stop-buying-from-domainers/ Just thought you may be interested ;)
Thank you - dnZoom - I had no idea I was opening up Pandora's box, but I couldn't help noticing the increasing trend. So, thought I'd just ask...I did consider some might be angry for stating the obvious. But I think honest discussions lead to better solutions. :blink:

bobdigital said:
can you show some to me?
I buy names daily, and so are others.
More and more valueless names are being listed.
I will have to look - as it was just something I noticed a few times. I agree, that its a lot of low quality names for sale...
On that note, I'm selling some decent names for low prices. Though I hate to part w/many of them, if I can't see myself developing them anytime soon, I might as well build a few new relationships here and use the $ to pay for all my other renewals. Another member here has dibs on my current list, but if there are names left that are of some value, I'll let you know.
 
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cost of borrowing is high? Not true, in Canada, we can get lines of credit for under 5%... the market needs liquidity... money willing to backup solid domain names, then the rest will stabilize in between those names... It is true we would all like to own generics, but we can't all afford to shell out millions, if we can create a common marketplace, where we can buy % shares in those kind of domains, we can create a open market, where liquidity and stability can be had. It will most likely take a moniker or godaddy with another accredited partner to come up with something like this, where trust can be had for all. You need to remember we are in uncharted territory here.
 
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domaining is speculating
 
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The quality of domains for sale has been steadily decreasing for the last ten years. The demand for quality domains is as high as ever, there are just fewer and fewer listed for sale. I closed a deal for a just-below-A-grade, generic, one-word .COM this week and the price was outstanding. There are still bargains to be found, but you have to work at it.
 
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Burano said:
So, has it always been like this on this forum? I see pages and pages of posts of people trying to sell lists of domains with no responses except themselves :o
Some of these names are decent too...since I haven't been on this board that long, I was just curious if this was always the case since it's free here. Or maybe your domain just really has to STAND OUT??

It used to be you could at least make your money back on lower quality domains...seems like those days are over.



It's a combination of many factors.

At the moment the business is in a bubble. Just like all speculative markets, eventually the suckers dry up. A really good read on the subject would be "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds".

Unless you have a generic 1 word domain name that a large corporation would want, the value is only what the next person will pay for. When there is an infinite combination of domain names still available, why would I pay $xx,000,000 for a 1 word generic? Same reason google didn't buy the domain search.com. If you want to stand out and you do have a valuable idea, it is better to have a unique brandable domain than a generic.

Using the definition: When your neighbor loses his job, it's a recession, When you lose your job, it's a depression. The U.S. economy is at the brink of a prolonged recession. Everyone knows at least one person who is out of work. The biggest network of Domainers with money to burn are Americans. Not only do they throw the best parties, but they *are* the party. Which means as they leave the party, everything will quiet down.

Domain parking revenue is dropping. PPC is on its way out just like the good 'ol banner ad. There is now enough data which shows most PPC performs poorly and hardly ever translate into sales. At the end of the day, without the sales conversion, advertisers will look elsewhere.

Without PPC, there is no income from parked domains and the cost of carry becomes prohibitive. I've seen some really good domains showing up on the sites auctioning expired domains. I guess some people made their money and are moving on.

We're at the next iterative stage of the internet evolution. I don't know exactly where it's headed. Since the beginning of this year, I've parked several hundred domains at sedo and I now doubt the portfolio will pay for itself. I do realize now, that I've entered the domain market at the tail end of the boom when most of the gravy is gone.
 
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Etab said:
I'm using the opportunity to buy what I can, but it's almost certainly the condition of the economy that has people selling off names. I picked up a LLL .org for only $200 today, for example.


wow

who on earth was selling tht

well i always think

if their are more buyers then sellers then the price certainly would be 5 times more than wht the prices are today
 
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Buy when people are selling.
Sell when people are buying.

Yes, it's a buyer's market, and it's smart to buy now when people are selling good names at cheap(er) price. :)

Unfortunately, like a number of people out there, I can't afford to be smart :(
 
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