Parking Accounts + Buying or Selling = BANNED

goodkarmaco said:

If policy is so harsh here that if a "newbie" simply asks if they can buy a parking account and immediatley is banned, not to many new members will want to stay at Namepros, lol. Does that sound like a smart business plan?

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Innocent "newbie" ? yeah....

There is no valid reason for purchasing a parking account.
It's free to set up one provided you meet the requirements. If you don't then don't insist, try later.
The only valid motive for buying one is simple: to defraud the provider, with your ID & SSN and reputation to fork.
Besides selling of parking accounts is against the terms of the parking providers so it's reason enough not to allow that kind of trade here.

BTW I am purchasing clean bank accounts. I won't do anything illegal with them.
I swear.

Newbie or not - The TOS of Parking sites are required to be read and agreed upon anyway ....

Thats like saying you are allowed to Rob one bank without punishment because you didn't Read all of your local Jurisdictions Laws ....

Its not always fraud

I agree that lots of fraud is going on here and it is good to ban members who are knowingly trying to buy parking accounts.

It is easy for the mods to see the difference between a newbie asking a innocent question and a person wanting to commit fraud. The person wanting to commit fraud is asking many members if they will sell their accounts. The person who is a newbie will only ask once.

What I don't think is good is to AUTOMATICALLY ban a person who asks on this forum to buy one. Why? Simply because they are new to domaining and have no idea it is wrong.

How many times a day do we see newbies ask how to do something that is prohibited for domainers to do? Almost everyday!. Are they asking because they want to commit fraud? No, they are asking because they are confused and think that is how they get a parking account.

Mark, your statement that you are required to read the parking tos and the policy is stated there is fine if the person is not a newbie. Most newbies have not joined a parking company yet and that is why they are in this forum asking about buying one, that point seems to be difficult to grasp?

I suppose mods if they wanted to could go to the newbie section a lay in wait and as soon as a newbie asks what is buying a parking account, I want to do that, then instantly ban them. The trouble with doing that is we are being to harsh to those who do not have the knowledge that is wrong.

If all forums instantly banned a newbie for asking such a question, we would not have many new members. Do you remember when you were a new domainer, everything is confusing and it takes a good while to know the rights and wrongs of this business.

We are pros here and we know better. Just because we know better we cannot expect new domainers to automatically have a full grasp of parking domains.

Oh and another thing, in refrence to doing something illegal regarding real police. They cut people slack too. For instance, you will be arrested if you drive 85 miles a hour in Washington State. If you EXPLAIN the reason is your child in the back seat fell off his bike and blood is gushing from his head the officer will have a different action. The police officer will jump back in his car, turn the siren on and ask you to follow him at 90 miles a hour to the hospital.

I am sure this may make a little more work for the mods as some will automatically say they did not know, but if after a warning they continue asking to buy accounts that is a different story and "you're outta here" is then warranted.

All I ever said in this thread is, those who do not know they are commiting fraud should be cut some slack.

IMHO your comparisons are flawed.
Even a newbie is not going to purchase something that normally can be had for free, provided that you meet the requirements.
Believe me, those who ask to purchase accounts know what they are doing.
Anyway, the biggest risk is on the seller, not the buyer.
It's just like lending your bank account to Nigerian scammers for the purpose of laundering ill-gotten money.

1. It is one thing for someone to create a thread asking if buying parking accounts is allowed.

2. It is another thing entirely for someone to spam PM members asking to buy their accounts.

3. IMHO, it would not be good for any NP members if it became known that this is a venue for buying/selling parking accounts.

4. Instant ban may be a little harsh in *some* genuine cases of not knowing any better

5. Not sure if it is practical for mods to investigate every case and decide if the activity is fraudulent or merely ignorant. ( no way I'd volunteer for that job! )

6. Are we talking temporary bans or permanent bans? Would a warning/temp ban followed by a permanent ban for a second offence be practical?

just my 2 cents.

Good points NC

Hey NC,

IMHO, it would not be good for any NP members if it became known that this is a venue for buying/selling parking accounts.

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Correcto, we noticed a rise in this recently and thats why this rule was put into play.

Instant ban may be a little harsh in *some* genuine cases of not knowing any better

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When you sign up here, you agree to follow the rules.

Not sure if it is practical for mods to investigate every case and decide if the activity is fraudulent or merely ignorant. ( no way I'd volunteer for that job! )

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Most of the time it's newer members, who just sign up to PM spam us. That is the only intention they have.

Are we talking temporary bans or permanent bans? Would a warning/temp ban followed by a permanent ban for a second offence be practical?

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No warnings when it comes to fraud and click fraud here...... Permanent ban. Of course if they feel the need to question the ban, they can always post in the 'Account Closed' forum.

-Bill

Bill said:

When you sign up here, you agree to follow the rules.

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Good point!

Bill said:

Of course if they feel the need to question the ban, they can always post in the 'Account Closed' forum.

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Another good point! Forget what I said. Bring on the Insta-Ban-O-Matic.

I have no idea how you guys jump to the concept that every newbie knows the rules here. Duh.. they are a newbie and have NO knowledge of domain parking.

You stating they know the rules is not true!.


Of course I want all who are from Nigeria and want to do fraudelent actions by way of buying our accounts to be banned.

But on the same hand I don't want some poor domainer who read some post somewhere about buying parking accounts come here and simply ask to buy one and then get pounced on by Nampros.

It is a big difference if someone is intentionaly trying to do something illegal like that and the newbie who asks if he too can get into the parking business and to him that may mean buying an account. To him that is how you get into parking.

What is not tolerable to me is the mods or other members not wanting to take the time to educate the new person, or it may not be a new person at all, it may be a person who has not seen this post. So he/she will also get instantly banned?

Maybe the mods will want to go into the newbie section and see how much newbies really know.

Banning people who are trying to defraud us or the parking companies is what I support. I also support not banning a person if they are thinking what they are doing is right as they have not been told it is wrong.

Go ahead ban them, I don't care. I don't spam anyone and it does not affect me.

cheery-oh.

Franky I don't understand you.
Just give ONE valid reason why someone newbie or not would want to buy a parking account

goodkarmaco, let it be. Your wrong here.

No noob is going to try and buy something he wont need for a few months. How many domains did you have before you got a parking account? And even if a noob needed an account he'd try and find out what it costs before offering to 'buy' one.

Its all over the place, these guys are scammers and scammers are scum which needs to be eradicated. Not worth your time, leave it be.

I have no idea how you guys jump to the concept that every newbie knows the rules here.

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When they sign up - They agree to them .... It's not our problem if they don't read them and investigate further. Just like the post I just deleted in this very thread - Someone new asked where to buy them .......

I think all good is asking is that you don't instaban all of them. At least check their history. If the ip is not one of someone who was already banned, give them the benefit of the doubt for just a minute.

When I first started out, I was unable to get a parked.com account because my names sucked(there, I said it).

So I might have come on here and asked if there was a way to buy or get an account if I bought someones great name. (I didn't, because I knew I couldn't afford it)

So according to the new rule, I would get an instaban for being new.

Now, I agree with the whole banning of the true scum that do this, but I think it is only fair to check out a new person first. Bare minimum, at least validate if their ip has been banned before because of problems. If it hasn't, close the thread, delete it, give a stern warning and see what they do. If they continue down that path, ban them. If they say, "whoops, didn't know, sorry", then let them go on. They could turn out to be a great resource. Or at least the next schlub to buy my crappy names.

TheBulldog said:

If they say, "whoops, didn't know, sorry", then let them go on. They could turn out to be a great resource. Or at least the next schlub to buy my crappy names.

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I guess that is what good is saying too.

Given, though an instaban is rare.

Cheers!

I think it's a good move to ban. While other forums look the other way, namepros is taking a stance. A noob whether 20 or 70 years of age reads the rules and signs the agreement. One should have enough common sense to k now that buying someone elses adsense, or parking account is covert. It's not like its black market goods. If you qualify you will get the account, if you have to wait two weeks or a month to get it, you wait. If you need to know someone to get an invite, you build positive alliances.

There is no reason that common sense will give, to buy someone elses account.
Except, if it is for covert reasons, or impatience. I don't buy the noob mistake. I guess if it were a matter of impatience, I site the example of someone cutting in line. If you had been waiting and someone sneaks in line in front of you, do you allow this? Or, would you just watch as someone paid someone $5 to take their place?

goodkarmaco said:

How many times a day do we see newbies ask how to do something that is prohibited for domainers to do? Almost everyday!. Are they asking because they want to commit fraud? No, they are asking because they are confused and think that is how they get a parking account.

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I'm not sure where they would get that idea, but that's one misconception we'd like to put an end to. Allowing the sales of parking accounts would be counterproductive to that.

I've never known a newbie naturally assume that the way to get a parking account is to purchase it. It would be nice to know who's propagating this info. Seems like almost all users that are requesting to buy parking accounts are here for the sole purpose of buying parking accounts, and usually go right to spamming people by PM looking for them.

If anything, I strive to keep our rules and policing fair. This is not a situation where a good member who accidentally asks an innocent question is going to be blocked for life. We have avenues in place where members with suspended accounts can communicate with us, and where appropriate bans are converted into temp bans or warnings.

We've always taken a proactive role at eliminating fraud at NamePros and following up on cases of member to member fraud. Keep in mind, almost all of the popular parking companies are also members of NamePros.

Thanks for the feedback.

RJ

I can tell you if I couldn't get my own account because
I didn't quite yet meet the qualifications, just the thought
of having to purchase an account from someone to get one faster
- automatically tells me I am doing something wrong!
and that's not newbiness - it's just common sense!

kemjika11,

I was not the person who posted the words, banning of people who are from Nigeria. I was responding to it by saying I too want people banned who are from a country made up of scams, and who are doing fraudelent things. Again, don't read words into my statements by claiming I am saying all people who are in Nigeria are scammers. Its also true too that alot of scams oringinate from India. Saying that I do not mean all people from India are involved in scams as many developers are in India and they are doing great things for the internet.

Many good points have been made here and I am satisfied by Rjs, comments that if a person is wrongfully banned because of ignorance, that in the future they may be reinstated.

I have had a dialogue here, each side of the issue has now been discussed and I am not having concerns anymore. That is what this forum provides a open dialogue.

Very Serious

Mark said:

Anyone caught asking for or selling Parking Accounts here at Namepros will be banned immediately .... No questions asked - No arguements ....
I encourage Anyone that sees or hears of this Silliness to report it to us Please !!! It's hurting all of us in the long run - I can assure you.
Thanks - Mark :tu:
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Hi Mark,

If the emails I've gotten are true then this is truly hurting our industry in a massive way.

I'm not sure if it's some kind of mass email to people who have accounts at certain companies but since I opened a certain parking account I've gotten a few emails in my main business email account from one of these scammers...

This person claims to be female and already have control of at least 100,000 accounts which earn them between $500,000 to $1,000,000 every month...

That's really very sad, we all suffer from there actions and it really takes a toll on the future of the parking industry...


I WILL NOT sell or let anyone use any of my parking accounts but I did lead her on a little trying to find out as much as possible about what was going on.

Dave C.