What happen if Parked.com pays 100% revenue as well ?

Let me go even further than my last post. This thread was about what if Parked.com paid 100% revenue. Well, technically we do pay 100% revenue in some cases.

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Let's say parking company A gets 75% from their provider and they are paying 100%. And let's say parking company B because they have been around longer are getting 90% from the same provider and then they are paying you 85% of what they receive. So parking company A will pay you 75% and parking company B will pay you 76.5%. Parking company A is making no profit from you being a partner of theirs so at some point they have to do something to make money. Parking company B doesn't have to worry about that, because you are already making more than A and they are making money at the same time.

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Let's say you have the domain lkajsdlkj777.com parked with us at Parked.com, it's getting 200 hits a day, and you ask me for advise on what to do with it to make more money. I'd probably tell you where to send the domain, I'm trying to make all of our customers as much money as possible. If that means I have to send them somewhere else for some domains, they are at least making money in the end.

I was looking at my Bodis accounts and I have a few additional recommendations on how people can make the most amount of money. As I mentioned before if you have domains with very low RPC at other parking companies, with a lot of visitors/clicks, send the traffic to Bodis, you will make a killing. But the new addition is if you have a lot of low paying international traffic, that will do equally as well.

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Let me re-explain the "patent pending story". We have had a content and template uploader for a few customers before the neverending Bodis.com thread was started. A few weeks ago, at the Domain Roundtable, we were going to release our template customizer to everybody, I got a PM from Matt here on Namepros. He had heard that I was going to launch our template editor and that I better not, because he had a "patent pending technology" and he didn't want to bring us to court. So I responded with could you send me the patent number or information and I would look at it, because I would assume there was prior art. No response from Matt. I couldn't find any records with the USPTO myself. So I called in our in-house attorneys.

I then went down and talked to Trafficz, Domain Sponsor, Name Media, Parking Panel, Sedo, and Fabulous about this and they all had prior art and in many cases systems that had been in place for years. Everybody got a big laugh about it and one told me to mention that I have a patent on html.

A day goes by still nothing from Matt, our attorneys say he's full of shit and nothing exists and that we have prior art. So I sent him a PM stating that prior art already exists and other companies are already offering what he thinks he patented. And his only response:

Hi,

It is fine. I did not do my research.

Matt Wegrzyn
Bodis, LLC
718-249-9567

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Not only did he not do his research, next week our attorneys will be sending him a $30,000 bill for 3 attorneys working on the weekend for his patent that he didn't own, hadn't filed or hadn't researched. And don't forget I own the patent on html.

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In the adult webmaster world, where 100% payouts were very big at one point. I happen to know quite a few of the people who have run some of those programs over the years. And probably quite a few of them will end up reading this point as some time. But 100% programs are designed to get people in the door, they aren't a long term program. They do work you do get a lot of people to use your program, but then at some point money gets short. And when money gets short to run the business it has to come from somewhere. I'm not interested in going that route. I would rather pay people on time, 1 week after the period is over, and not have to worry about it.

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Matt - You have a nice program. I originally did not attack you and I never said you were shaving. I just said it's something that happens with 100% programs, from my experience. I have no reason to try and copy anything you have in your system, there's no reason to. But I will definitely send some high quality customers your way real soon.

Donny

Thanks Donny for your informative post. I do, however, have some questions in regards to your points:

Let me go even further than my last post. This thread was about what if Parked.com paid 100% revenue. Well, technically we do pay 100% revenue in some cases.

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Let's say parking company A gets 75% from their provider and they are paying 100%. And let's say parking company B because they have been around longer are getting 90% from the same provider and then they are paying you 85% of what they receive. So parking company A will pay you 75% and parking company B will pay you 76.5%.......



^ This isn't just unique to Parked.com, but where is that holy grail of transparency as to what percentage of the commission that are taken by the "house"? You mention 75% for new org, 90% from an older org, that's at best a guesstimate because for competitive reasons, I highly doubt that you are sharing this info at the round table. Even your ad says "one of the highest payout...", well, we can all nuance the words but can you back up that claim with some empirical data?


Parking company A is making no profit from you being a partner of theirs so at some point they have to do something to make money. Parking company B doesn't have to worry about that, because you are already making more than A and they are making money at the same time.


Not necessarily true, if the owners of the parking company are also benefiting from higher payouts from their domain name. No, we are not all altruistic, but I have to give credit to a unique business model that Bodis came up with.


I was looking at my Bodis accounts and I have a few additional recommendations on how people can make the most amount of money. As I mentioned before if you have domains with very low RPC at other parking companies, with a lot of visitors/clicks, send the traffic to Bodis, you will make a killing. But the new addition is if you have a lot of low paying international traffic, that will do equally as well.


For what technical reason(s), would I get higher payouts at Bodis if I am getting high visitors but low rpc at other parking companies? Is it because you said that Bodis is averaging clicks together so that this particular person is benefiting from other's commissions? Even if that is true, does it really matter? If I am making $10 bucks at Sedo but now I am making $100 at Bodis, why would I care how some of my $$ may be going to others? Wouldn't the benefits of "pooling" even out and make everyone receive better payouts?


Let me re-explain the "patent pending story"..... We have had a content and template uploader for a few customers before the neverending Bodis.com thread was started. A few weeks ago, at the Domain Roundtable, we were going to release our template customizer to everybody, I got a PM from Matt here on Namepros. He had heard that I was going to launch our template editor and that I better not, because he had a "patent pending technology" and he didn't want to bring us to court. So I responded with could you send me the patent number or information and I would look at it, because I would assume there was prior art. No response from Matt. I couldn't find any records with the USPTO myself. So I called in our in-house attorneys...


Let's cut out the pissing contest. I see value in reading comments from both of you.


....Not only did he not do his research, next week our attorneys will be sending him a $30,000 bill for 3 attorneys working on the weekend for his patent that he didn't own, hadn't filed or hadn't researched. And don't forget I own the patent on html.


On what legal grounds would you take this to court? It was your prerogative to utilize your internal legal resources to work over the weekends out of your own concerns.


In the adult webmaster world, where 100% payouts were very big at one point. I happen to know quite a few of the people who have run some of those programs over the years. And probably quite a few of them will end up reading this point as some time. But 100% programs are designed to get people in the door, they aren't a long term program. They do work you do get a lot of people to use your program, but then at some point money gets short. And when money gets short to run the business it has to come from somewhere. I'm not interested in going that route. I would rather pay people on time, 1 week after the period is over, and not have to worry about it.


See, this is the sort of back-handed "compliments". You say you are a better person by sprinkling compliments but you use coded words like like "get you in the door", "money gets short", etc... I would say to you, if you can dish it out, learn to take it as well.....

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Matt - You have a nice program. I originally did not attack you and I never said you were shaving. I just said it's something that happens with 100% programs, from my experience. I have no reason to try and copy anything you have in your system, there's no reason to. But I will definitely send some high quality customers your way real soon.


My lowly humble opinion, you did "attack" bodis in your original posting and I think you guys just may be concerned enough to launch some negative PR to limit the outflow of clients.

No one is perfect and no organization can last forever without adapting. I would challenge you and all other parking providers to come up with some truly compelling features and bring transparency to the forefront to earn our business. Remember, much like government employees, you guys exist because we exist. not the other way around....

may be bodis will make it, or may be it wont. But the fact is that bodis is earning higher rpc for most people. it doesn't hurt for people to try it, and for god's sake, it doesn't work, then change to something else!!

my 2 cents..

I am not going to even respond to him anymore.

I rather spend the same amount of time working on adding new requested features to the parking program from the users that post here rather than waste my time having a verbal contest with him.

That reminds me, new things are on the way this upcoming week.

Yawn...

As a contended user of both Parked and Bodis and as a webmaster in my own right who sees these intersite squabbles every day I can't help feeling that these childish, petty arguments don't do anyone any good whatsoever.

I think a lot of us come here to get away from the bitching that our own forums' members seem to be so good at perpetuating...

I know I do.

sf2010 - I'll just comment on a few.

I can't tell you what percentage that I get from my provider, it's in my contract. But all of the large providers know what the others get. We all know what you get with a deal from Ask based on x revenue. You will never have transparency on the domainer side as if you knew that I got x and another partner found out they would want to why they get less.

If there is 0 shaving on a 100% payout, the only way that the owner of the program could benefit if their is a tiered payout by their provider. So if you were getting 65% for less than $500k month, 70% for $500k-$1M and 75% for more than $1M. Which asks does some deals like this as well. This is probably the deal Bodis has now. So paying 100% is a good idea, because if he meets his numbers he will get an extra 5-10% rev share.

I never said I would bring Matt to court. He said he would bring me to court.

Hi,

Please understand, before going live with giving your domain clients the option to upload custom images. Allowing domain owners to upload custom images on domain landing pages is a Patent Pending invention by Bodis, LLC.

I rather tell you now. I rather not have to settle anything like this in court.

I am sorry, and I wish your parking company the best. Thank you.


Matt Wegrzyn
Bodis, LLC

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This is why we had to have our attorneys work to defend ourselves. Fortunately for us he was lieing to me when he sent his PM.

We have no reason to attack Matt besides that stupid patent crap he tried to pull. We laughed about it more than anything.

I didn't start this thread, somebody just asked if we would pay 100% and I made my general comments, not about Bodis or Matt. Remember there are other companies that are paying 100% that were around longer than Bodis has been.

When I was asked what I thought about the last large Ask based provider when they came out and everybody was loving them, I said give them 3 months of paying people and then we will talk. During that time they will find the Chinese and Romanian fraud teams, they will learn about the sleeper accounts, why am I paying $20 a click for "New York asbsestos cancer" from China, they will get that call from their provider that says your traffic sucks and you need to do something, how do I stop the caca bot, you will realize that people want their money today not tomorrow, and who's the IRS? There are about 300 other things that you learn in the first 3 pay periods, and we all go through them.

I have no reason to start a negative compaign against Bodis, we had our best month ever last month, our TQ scores are the highest they have ever been, and on Friday when we pay our partners out it will be the highest payout ever. Last week we had more domains And we hired 2 more programmers who are starting this week.

But one thing I did learn from this, hire a patent attorney. And they will be starting in 2 weeks.

Matt we will see how everything is going in 3 months. We all go through the growing pains. Good luck.

Donny

cfguru360 said:

That reminds me, new things are on the way this upcoming week.

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Just take a look at your simple landing pages! Google style with Yahoo feed :lol:

I hope to see more parking methods like URL forwarding... I can't trust parking companies to park a domain with some active email address..

I don't see how parked took anyone's idea about text and image content. It's not like it's some super revolutionary idea. I know for a fact that I have asked parked.com three separate times to please allow their customers to place text content and upload their own images - these requests go back to July of 2006. I'm sure I'm not the only one who requested such new features.

If anything people should be getting on parked.com for taking so long! LOL

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The only company that is shaving is yours.

I've been talking to many people in the industry. And many big players seem to dislike your company, and even more specifically - you. I now realized why. We will have to talk personally in the next Miami TRAFFIC show. I am going to be there.

And I'd recommend you stop talking about other companies here how they are "shaving". Bodis.com for one, is NOT shaving, that's a fact. We have a very smart business model that will coincide in the future, and we know why we are offering 100% Revenue right now. I can see you fear my company for very unknown reasons. When I launched the parking program, you had all the features in 1-2 weeks. If anybody is to accuse anyone else here, it is ME, accusing YOU of "stealing" rather than shaving.

Maybe "stealing" is a bad term. Because, like you've said - other companies already had some of the features that I put into Bodis.com. So more like - no originality. You can do the talk, but a few months from now - Bodis.com will be doing the walk.

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:cy: "Shooot me aaagaaainnnn I ain't deeaad yeeetttt!

That's stickin it up theirs Matt. I do believe you gonna make us domainers very proud with Bodis in the near future...???I just have this inkling within me bones!!! 8-X
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no offense to donny as I think parked has the best image selection and seo features title & meta tags, a good handful of names perform the best at parked, on a whole however as far as just taking my whole portfolio and dumping them all at 1 place so far in the 4 days I tested bodis they have produced more income per each of the 4 days than sedo, namedrive, parked, fabulous, domain sponsor, this is not analyzing each domain and splitting them up to the highest paying company which I intend to do which will put some at each company, just talking total income for the whole batch, 1 thing is for sure bodis will make some companies take notice and step up their payouts or lose quite a few domains, as long as payouts come through on time I consider bodis will grab a good share, I know quite a few domainers are holding off waiting for others to get paid before they test, bottom line best income gets each domain, competition is good from a domainer angle, more bodis testing to come soon.

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Can't agree more! :wave:

kwan said:

His name is Matt, NP member cfguru360. Located in New York. Read some of his 1500+ posts to find out more about him if you're interested.

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Is Matt really just around 19yrs old??? as stated on his birthdate data?
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trlsker01 said:

Is Matt really just around 19yrs old??? as stated on his birthdate data?
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I spoke to Matt yesterday and he is indeed 19 yr old. I kind of like his daredevil spirit. One really hardworking bright youngster.. I wish him all the best. I am even more in awe when he told me that Bodis is a one man team. He programs the templates, features and makes quick changes each day. I can't imagine a 19 yr old guy from the Bronx doing so much..so early...all alone with no support. Brilliant courage.

He has some very interesting plans afoot. My guess is that if Bodis can pass the initial 3 month litmus test, it will definitely make the mark as the best domain parking company around today. Even otherwise, his spirit needs to be admired. From what I can imagine, Matt got a bit carried away with the patent thing. But we all make mistakes and other parking companies should welcome Bodis as a refreshing new change.

Donny and Matt, just let go of the current hot theme and take it easy. Live and let live. You both have great parking programs and I hate to see you guys vent it out openly. Enjoy the long weekend, have a beer and just chill out.

Varon said:

Donny and Matt, just let go of the current hot theme and take it easy. Live and let live. You both have great parking programs and I hate to see you guys vent it out openly. Enjoy the long weekend, have a beer and just chill out.

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I could not agree more. Lets take contributions to buy the beer.

Open competition benefits everyone involved. Be it a service or merchandise the innovators force their competition to be better in order to remain competitive. In the end everyone benefits.

In a pi$$ing contest no one wins.

Right now I am a happy camper. In my month with Bodis my account says that I earned over 4X my average month at the other companies. I hope Bodis makes it because I feel that everyone (both domain owners and parking providers) including advertisers will benefit.

BTW, I ain't counting my $$ until around Oct. 15. That is why I stated my earnings that way.

I say that I am a happy camper but that doesn't mean that all names moved there are doing better. In fact some are totally dead. These are exactly the same names moved from elsewhere. I am giving another few weeks but I am sure I will be moving poor performers back. As many have said; no one parking is best for every name.

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well, one good thing is the two parties are talking and who knows they may be partners one day. For me the dialogue helped me understand the parking idea better. As a domainer I am happy to see the talent that is stepping up to address our concerns for earning parking revenues in the future.

My take is Matt, ( wow 19) and Donny both have wonderful parking programs.

I also think there is plenty of room for the two to be extremely successful. Think about it, up until very recently all that existed were big auctions houses who for the life of me made the decision to go into parking domains.

The result, they did not concentrate on selling domains and rolled in the money that came in thru the millions of domains they had parked. Meanwhile people waited, (and waited and waited) for them to sell in the auction house.

Now we are going to have choices, and those choices are much better than parking your names in the big auction houses. Why?

Although many big auction houses claimed "the BIGGEST PAYOUTS", lol, sorry, I laugh whenever I hear that, they really paid a few cents for clicks, even if those clicks made the house several dollars.

So the race is on, who will be the top dog?

It ain't gonna be the "good ol" auction house. It will be best of the best. So if the millions of parked names do migrate away from places like Afternic, Sedo, Godaddy or any of the other large auctions houses, where will they go? Where the money is!

My point about all this is if that scenario exists, the amount of parking money to be sopped up is plenty for the two of ya.

Donny, if you were my neighbor I would love to have you chart silver and gold prices for me.

Matt, your age and abilities will earn the domain business great press.

Good luck to both parking programs.

Roderick

Varon said:

Enjoy the long weekend, have a beer and just chill out.

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1 case (24 bottles) of Heineken is on me. Cheers!!!
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goodkarmaco said:

Although many big auction houses claimed "the BIGGEST PAYOUTS", lol, sorry, I laugh whenever I hear that, they really paid a few cents for clicks, even if those clicks made the house several dollars.

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I had the same thought...they grab the "BIG BREAD"...
We're left with the "CRUMBS"

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So the race is on, who will be the top dog?

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I told you once..I told you twice...but you've never listened to my advice!
I'm with you all the way Matt!!! (Kind of like B. Gates, part deux) :tu:

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hi matt. i like to your service
i want to contact to you please pm sent

I think it is in all of us domainers' interest to see Matt succeed, and I've no doubt he will.

Matt certainly opened our eyes to what's possible and achievable, or should have been possible and achievable. Real numbers speak the loudest.

Matt reminds me of the young Bill Gates, and I would not be at all surprised if Matt becomes the Bill Gates of Domain Parking [and more ], just several years from now.

There will be obstacles thrown on his path, but I'm confident Matt will overcome them all, and become even stronger for them, to attain even greater heights.

Matt, you know I support your efforts and aspirations 110%. Keep up your high standards and excellence, and your wonderful work and progress!

With all very best wishes,
NP

From what I've seen of Bodis so far, Matt will definitely succeed but he will need the help of people along the way , so there is no need to burn bridges, no man is an island.
And Donny just take it easy a bit ,w e all know you have the experience, the competition should be welcome with open hands.

Matt And Donny- Parked and Bodis, who know a ParkedatBodis or BodisParked collabo may be just round teh corner.
Guys let's drop the swords and let us your customers enjoy the best.

Fojames,

Why would two competing parking companies welcome competion?

Maybe domainers would benefit, but how is it two competing companies are looked at by the parking companies as a good thing to them?