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Will you now join the ICA with the lower membership price?

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    No still too expensive

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    44.8%
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    No it's not about money but an organization I don't want to support

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    34.5%
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    Yes

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    20.7%

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Now that the ICA has a lower membership fee will you join? Not sure why they have two distinctions for individual, I guess they want people who will pay $600 to keep paying $600. The directory just looks odd in my opinion, with the members right under individual made to look like second class citizens. But too each their own.

Annual Membership
Platinum Membership $25,000 USD and above
Gold Membership $10,000 – $24,999 USD
Silver Membership $5,000 – $9,999 USD
Bronze Membership $1,000 – $4,999 USD
Individual Membership $600 USD or $50 per month
Member $300 USD or $25 per month
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I support the ICA because I want to protect the living that I make from the domain industry, and that's what the ICA does. The ICA protects my business, and it helps ensure that we can all continue to have a business buying and selling domain names.

Why does the domain business need protecting? Because domain names are not like gold or cars, they are intangible assets defined by a set of rules and those rules keep changing.

I recently tweeted about the crew.com UDRP decision where 20 years ago J. Crew used the UDRP to take my crew.com domain name, which I considered to be my business asset that I was entitled to register and to own. But a UDRP panel decided otherwise. The majority said that it violated the rules governing domain names to trade in a domain name that was similar to an existing trademark. Well nearly all common words and acronyms are trademarked. The interpretation of the UDRP by the majority of the panel in the crew.com dispute, if it had become widespread, would have wiped out much of the domain investing industry.

More recently some UDRP panelists pushed an interpretation of the UDRP called the "Retroactive Bad Faith" theory. This theory said that if you use a domain name in bad faith to target a trademark, even a trademark that came after your domain registration, that it demonstrated that your original registration of the domain name was made in bad faith. Some panelists interpreted bad faith targeting quite broadly - PPC ads that were for products or services similar to those offered by the company with the trademark, or publicly offering a domain name for sale. If Retroactive Bad Faith had become the consensus interpretation of the UDRP, then that could have wiped out much of the domain investment industry.

Even more recently, a three-member UDRP panel ordered the transfer of the domain name ADO.com, which was owned by a well-known domain investor. The panel said that the asking price was too high and that meant the domain investor had bought the domain name to target the "well known" trademark holder - a Mexican bus company. If this interpretation of the UDRP - that setting a high asking price would be considered bad faith and result in the loss of your domain name - then that could have a damaging effect on the domain industry.

The UDRP is just one set of the rules that we are at the mercy of - and the UDRP is just one set of policies that come out of ICANN. Much of our fate is determined by what happens at ICANN. Most people in the domain industry don't know much about what goes on at ICANN. We're too busy running our businesses. But what happens at ICANN can affect whether we can continue running our businesses.

ICANN doesn't have a great track record. Many of their decisions make it appear that they are under the thumb of the big registries like Verisign and the Public Interest Registry (PIR) that runs .org. As many of you know, ICANN recently told PIR that it was lifting all price caps on .org and PIR can set whatever price it wants for .org registrations and renewals. Verisign saw what happened with .org and likely wants the same ability that PIR got to set whatever price it wishes on registrations and renewals, and to be able to premium price deleting domains and keep all the upside for itself. If Verisign succeeds and sharply increases the renewal prices, it could destroy the business models of many domain investors.

The people shown above who are members of the ICA aren't idiots. They don't throw their money away for no good reason. Instead, they run successful businesses. They want to protect those business. ICA members recognize that there are endless policy battles that must be fought to keep the domain industry thriving.

The ICA fights those battles on behalf of the domain industry. The people who have joined the ICA are doing so to join together with other members of the industry to protect the future of the domain name industry for everyone involved - those who contribute to the effort and those who don't. We'll gladly recognize those who are contributing to the common good. We'll provide a little more recognition to those who contribute more.

ICA members receive little tangible in the way of direct benefits. Yet it is a great community to be a part of. We recognize that it is a situation of united we stand, divided we fall, and we have chosen to unite together for the better of the domain industry.
 
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Not sure why they have two distinctions for individual, I guess they want people who will pay $600 to keep paying $600. The directory just looks odd in my opinion, with the members right under individual made to look like second class citizens. But too each their own.

The difference is obvious, "members" don't get to add their photo.
"Add a photo for just $300/year" ;)
 
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Why not have a Supporter role for a low fee, which does not publish Supporter names or give them any voting rights?

Then they could boast of how many people support them. And they'd have more cash and a bigger mailing list.
 
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A good poll. ICA does good things. Unfortunately, I do not want to see my name or my company name listed on one public page together with at least one current corporate member, and with at least two current individual members. The reason: questionable business history of these members. Detailed discussion would be more appropriate in another np threads (not this one), and these threads do exist. Am I oversensitive? Maybe. But, since I do not want to associate myself with some of current participants in any aspect - I did not yet join ICA.
 
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Although I think I look better than all other members combined, I can assure you that no-one joins the ICA to have their photo displayed in a member directory.

I am not surprised many people are voting NO because $300 might still be a lot of money for most people, especially if you're not profitable on your domain name investments yet. That's okay because you do not need to pay and be a member to benefit from what the organization is trying to achieve because the ICA is working on trying to protect the business of EVERYONE who's buying and selling domains for a living, not just it's members. Personally I feel, if you make a nice profit from investing in domains, you should consider joining. For me, having easy access to high-profile investors and industry professionals such as lawyers and marketplace operators already pays for it multiple times over.
 
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What exactly does an individual achieve by joining?
 
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What exactly does an individual achieve by joining?

I subscribe.
Why should I pay 300$ or 25$ per month for ? What are the benefits, except having a name in there ?
 
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One spicy nugget was the gentleman who used to be the guy at the ICA, Philip Corwin switched sides and went to work for Verisign in 2017.

Long time legal counsel for the Internet Commerce Association, Philip Corwin, last week announced he’d resigned from his Virtualaw LLC, through which he worked with the ICA, and this week it was announced why. Corwin has taken up a new opportunity to work in Verisign’s legal department as Policy Counsel.

https://www.domainpulse.com/2017/11/07/phil-corwin-resigns-ica-verisign/
 
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Next question:

is there any concrete proof a membership will equate to increased domain sales?

To justify the expense?

I remember working for a financial planner once and he took pride in being in the Cambridge's Who's Who book.

I thought wow! Were you chosen?

Actually he said he needed me to make sure to send his yearly renewal check to keep his name in there. Lol

It was $1200 or $3500 a year. No photos.

Same thing? Although that book was given to all members for free.

Video posted yesterday goes into it a little bit:

 
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I'll ask the newbie question.

What's ICA?
I could Google it obviously but would be useful to explain here for the uninitiated.
 
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I'll ask the newbie question.

What's ICA?
I could Google it obviously but would be useful to explain here for the uninitiated.

Founded in 2006, the Internet Commerce Association (ICA) is a non-profit trade organization representing domain name investors, website developers and related companies. The ICA is made up of responsible businesses and individuals who have joined together to improve public confidence in Internet commerce. Based in Washington D.C., our mission is to promote and share best practices among participants in the domain name industry and to educate consumers, policy makers, law makers and the media about the value and benefits of direct navigation traffic and the domain name industry.

Our Vision and Goals. The Internet Commerce Association brings together a diverse group of individuals and companies that own, buy, sell and develop domain names. The ICA promotes the value and benefits of Internet traffic and direct search by conducting a concentrated effort to educate advertisers of the value and exceptional conversion rate compared with paid traffic sources.

We will carefully watch and participate in the development of rules, laws and regulations pertaining to the Internet as well as the dispute resolution process established by ICANN. The ICA respects trademarks and opposes intentional infringement, but believes that there be a balance between a domain owner’s interest in the valuable intangible rights comprised in a domain, as well as their fair use right to free expression, and trademark owner’s rights. We will promote fairness through our legislative agenda and we will communicate regularly with one voice on behalf of our members in Washington, D.C. and with governments around the globe.

Our association will continuously engage the media with the goal of educating Internet consumers about the value of domain names to both individuals and businesses alike and why an open and free market for the exchange of domains is criticial to maximizing national economic value. Our association’s strength lies in our diverse membership and their vast collection of experience and wisdom. Our goal is for the spirit of entrepreneurship to flourish and for our members to prosper by their participation in the Internet Commerce Association.


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What do the different priced tiers offer? I mean what do you get in the platinum that you don't in the gold and why are the tiers priced in brackets and not a single price?

Well it's more about how much you want to support the organization, there are not membership rewards.
 
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So as far as I read here, it is pointless to be a part of this organization.

Should be free, imho... Ok, ask money to be a chairman, but then, as a regular member, just have it free...

You ask money for what? Just to have a name and a badge?

No thank you, not for me.
 
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I voted no. It is not cheap.
 
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Well articulated by Jeff in that video.
 
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So as far as I read here, it is pointless to be a part of this organization.

Should be free, imho... Ok, ask money to be a chairman, but then, as a regular member, just have it free...

You ask money for what? Just to have a name and a badge?

No thank you, not for me.
My guess is that the fee is to sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak. NP is free but imagine having some of the fruitcakes on here representing your professional entity and representing the industry as a whole. The fee is to create a minimum entry level for representation. That's what I think anyway.
 
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My guess is that the fee is to sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak. NP is free but imagine having some of the fruitcakes on here representing your professional entity and representing the industry as a whole. The fee is to create a minimum entry level for representation. That's what I think anyway.

Free membership, but they can do a scan of the persons that can join, i guess...
 
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What do the different priced tiers offer? I mean what do you get in the platinum that you don't in the gold and why are the tiers priced in brackets and not a single price?
 
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what are the benefits of joining ?
just so you can have your name up there ?
 
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Next question:

is there any concrete proof a membership will equate to increased domain sales?

To justify the expense?

I remember working for a financial planner once and he took pride in being in the Cambridge's Who's Who book.

I thought wow! Were you chosen?

Actually he said he needed me to make sure to send his yearly renewal check to keep his name in there. Lol

It was $1200 or $3500 a year. No photos.

Same thing? Although that book was given to all members for free.
 
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Next question:

is there any concrete proof a membership will equate to increased domain sales?

To justify the expense?

I remember working for a financial planner once and he took pride in being in the Cambridge's Who's Who book.

I thought wow! Were you chosen?

Actually he said he needed me to make sure to send his yearly renewal check to keep his name in there. Lol

It was $1200 or $3500 a year. No photos.

Same thing? Although that book was given to all members for free.

The ICA has nothing to do with domain sales, it's an organization that looks to represent the issues of domain owners vs those on the other side like ICANN, Trademark holders, Verisign, etc... Nothing to do with making you money.
 
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Not a single yes vote so far...
 
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