Why Paid-to-click traffic not allowed in parking companies ?

[gcttirth]

Hello all !

I would like to ask why Paid To Click traffic is not allowed on parking companies?

It is just " paid traffic " ..

And what if someone puts one's parked domain on a PTC website ? Will his acc get banned ?

And, I would like to know if there are any parking companies that accept PTC traffic.

Thanks,
gcttirth

 

[nielsencl]

If you find a parking company or even a search engine that allows this, let me know...!

The problem is that the people that are paying for the clicks, the advertsers, want to get customers that will buy things. They don't want to pay for someone to click on their ad who is not interested and will not buy anything.

Paid-to-click sites steal from advertisers because they don't give the advertisers anything anything of value or what they are paying for in return.

If advertisers pay and pay and don't have any sales, what will happen? They will go out of business or at least stop advertising on PPC systems.

Paid-to-click is also against the rules of any search engine that I have ever seen as well for the same reasons. It's not just the parking companies. Advertisers pay for clicks because they want customers, not just clicks.

I hope this makes sense. There are many people that don't seem to understand this is fraud and stealing. Paid-to-click hurts those of us that park and don't do any fraud.

 

[gcttirth]

There are parking companies paying for POP UP ads i.e. on CPM basis, do PTC hurts it ?

And who told you PTC traffic does not buy things? Check Popular PTC websites, and you will find they are having their life on ClickBank sales...

And, the traffic is cheap as water .. who will not like to at least try? I mean it is easy to get 2-3% CTR according to me from PTC traffic, and that alone will surely get the invested money back.

I agree on your last point though.. it do seem like cheating for those that does not advertise on PTC .. but hey ! That's not the fault of PTC Earners :D

Thanks for your post !

 

[nielsencl]

Yes, some PTC traffic can convert if the offer is what the person is interested in. But it's all suspect at best. People are clicking because they want money, not because they are looking to buy.

Yes, if an advertiser is advertising on a PTC site, then they should know what they are doing. It is the advertisers that are advertising on a search engine, and a PTC site is sending it's members to click on ads from a site they own, or a member owns. That is 100% fraud.

That's not the fault of PTC Earners

I'm sorry, but you are 100% wrong in this. They are the ones doing the actual stealing, even if they do not understand this. If I tell you, "That is my store, would you bring me something I need from the shelves?". You go into the store, take something and walk out because the clerk was distracted and did not see you. Are you not a theif, even if you have been tricked into stealing? Perhaps you are not a bad theif, but you are still guilty and may be punished. For sure the store clerk would have stopped you.

So too would the advertiser or search engine stop you if they knew. Just because they may not know what you or the PTC site is doing does not make it right, only an easy crime. This is my opinion on the matter. Any rationalization or explaining will be falsehood when examined in light of what the advertisers or search engines think. Do not deceive yourself as so many have that it is ok to steal. You can do it if you want, but it is wrong and at some point a price will be paid by those that knowingly do so. Also my opinion.

 

[gcttirth]

Yes, some PTC traffic can convert if the offer is what the person is interested in. But it's all suspect at best. People are clicking because they want money, not because they are looking to buy.

Yes, if an advertiser is advertising on a PTC site, then they should know what they are doing. It is the advertisers that are advertising on a search engine, and a PTC site is sending it's members to click on ads from a site they own, or a member owns. That is 100% fraud.

I'm sorry, but you are 100% wrong in this. They are the ones doing the actual stealing, even if they do not understand this. If I tell you, "That is my store, would you bring me something I need from the shelves?". You go into the store, take something and walk out because the clerk was distracted and did not see you. Are you not a theif, even if you have been tricked into stealing? Perhaps you are not a bad theif, but you are still guilty and may be punished. For sure the store clerk would have stopped you.

So too would the advertiser or search engine stop you if they knew. Just because they may not know what you or the PTC site is doing does not make it right, only an easy crime. This is my opinion on the matter. Any rationalization or explaining will be falsehood when examined in light of what the advertisers or search engines think. Do not deceive yourself as so many have that it is ok to steal. You can do it if you want, but it is wrong and at some point a price will be paid by those that knowingly do so. Also my opinion.

Yes, people are clicking because they want to earn money, not to buy. But does not it the same if you compare to adsense?
People look for information, goes to a website, and at that time, they are not looking to CLICK ON AD / DO SOMETHING NEW .. they just want information .. still they do click, right? Same is on PTC .. :imho:

I am not quite understanding your store example to be honest, as I am little bit ill right now .. :zzz: Will you please present it in a simple English language, I am still learning .. :blink:

Thanks for your input,
gcttirth

 

[enlytend]

Yes, people are clicking because they want to earn money, not to buy. But does not it the same if you compare to adsense?
People look for information, goes to a website, and at that time, they are not looking to CLICK ON AD / DO SOMETHING NEW .. they just want information .. still they do click, right? Same is on PTC ..

Maybe they're just looking for information, maybe they're looking to buy something, maybe they're looking for pre-purchase information. They must have had some purpose for visiting the site - if an ad seems to promise whatever they're looking for, they'll click. If not, they won't.

VERY different from clicking just because you're getting paid to do so. PTC schemes are a way of stealing money from the advertisers.

 

[nielsencl]

I apologize for my complicated English, my wife sometimes tells me to make it more simple also.

Yes, people are clicking because they want to earn money, not to buy.

You have said the simple and basic answer yourself. Someone is paying them to steal.

they just want information .. still they do click, right? Same is on PTC ..

It is not the same, because they are being paid. This makes them click more than normal.

Here is a better example:

You and I are going to go out into a crowd after I have shown you how you can slip your hand into someone's pocket and take some money without them realizing it. Of the money you take, I will let you keep some of it. You walk around taking coins and sometimes paper money. Later I take all the money and give you some. Also later, people start to wonder what happened to some of their money that is missing.

The advertisers are paying the search engine for visitors they hope will become customers. If someone else is paying people to visit sites, but they are only doing so because they are being paid, then more often than normal the money spent was wasted because the visitor has no real interest in what the ad is offering.

You may not agree or even understand, but there is no confusion when the search engines say publishers are not allowed to offer an incentive like money so that people will click on ads.

Thank you for discussing this.

 

[btherl]

A store offers free ice creams as a promotion. They limit it to 1 per person. I tell people that I will pay them 50c if they get a free ice cream and give it to me. Then I sell the ice cream to someone else for $1, still less than the standard price of $2.

Is this ok to do?

 

[Tia Wood]

Overall, I think it's because it inflates the numbers.

In addition, what you want is niche traffic. Not crap traffic just for the sake of revenue and clicks. So I am thinking along the lines of quality control for the advertiser.

 

[Kate]

Parking is geared toward type-in traffic only.
That being said, expired traffic in the form of backlinks for example is normally tolerated.
In fact it all boils down to conversion. If you have good conversion rates the parking company will probably not bother about the origin of the traffic.
If you have bad traffic (clicks but no purchases), it can ultimately lead to termination of your parking account.

Paid to click is a form of fraud because clickers have no intention of buying anything, they just generate paid clicks that are borne by the advertisers.

 

[nielsencl]

A store offers free ice creams as a promotion. They limit it to 1 per person. I tell people that I will pay them 50c if they get a free ice cream and give it to me. Then I sell the ice cream to someone else for $1, still less than the standard price of $2.

Is this ok to do?

To you, this is ok. To the people getting the ice cream and selling it to you for 50c it is ok.

Ask the store owner if what you are doing is ok and see what they say?

If the store owner had a sign posted that people must eat the ice cream they receive and not sell it to someone else, does that change things? Should they have to post that rule, or make people sign a contract?

Don't just look at part of this transaction where some people win and not the part thwere some people lose. If one person in the transaction is not happy, then it is not a good transaction. The key to situations like this is what people know or don't know. If the store owner gives out many samples and does not know you are reselling to his normal customers, he will be happy because he is unaware that he is being taken advantage of, at least at first. But later when not only his money is gone from giving out the ice cream, but also has lost sales, then he will realize there was a problem.

I think every culture and country has people that think it is ok to take money that does not belong to them. But this is only ok if you care nothing for other people. Would you like to have your money taken away from you and get nothing in return? What if you are a rich company? Would you mind then...? I think most would not like it.

 

[gcttirth]

Maybe they're just looking for information, maybe they're looking to buy something, maybe they're looking for pre-purchase information. They must have had some purpose for visiting the site - if an ad seems to promise whatever they're looking for, they'll click. If not, they won't.

VERY different from clicking just because you're getting paid to do so. PTC schemes are a way of stealing money from the advertisers.

In that case, maybe the PTC clickers, who are just wanting to earn money, visit a site with say a plan to earn money, they WILL convert, will not they? After all, it is what they are looking for, " earning money "..

How can a PTC be made for stealing? They are just a way to connect advertisers and visitors. They just take some profit, nothing else!

I apologize for my complicated English, my wife sometimes tells me to make it more simple also.
You have said the simple and basic answer yourself. Someone is paying them to steal.

It is not the same, because they are being paid. This makes them click more than normal.

Here is a better example:

You and I are going to go out into a crowd after I have shown you how you can slip your hand into someone's pocket and take some money without them realizing it. Of the money you take, I will let you keep some of it. You walk around taking coins and sometimes paper money. Later I take all the money and give you some. Also later, people start to wonder what happened to some of their money that is missing.

The advertisers are paying the search engine for visitors they hope will become customers. If someone else is paying people to visit sites, but they are only doing so because they are being paid, then more often than normal the money spent was wasted because the visitor has no real interest in what the ad is offering.

You may not agree or even understand, but there is no confusion when the search engines say publishers are not allowed to offer an incentive like money so that people will click on ads.

Thank you for discussing this.

Now I understood what you are talking about, but certainly will not agree. First of all, you can not take all the money and give me some, if you do, it will not last long. And people are now not that silly to let their money get stolen.. they are smart, aware.

Still, those people do advertise in PTC, why? To increase traffic. And believe me, 10 out of 1000 WILL be interested in your product, don't you think? After all, they all are human, having interest in other things, not just earning money is their priority.

Yes, i agree that most people don't have interest, but why don't just advertise about what they like? and that is money.

Parking is geared toward type-in traffic only.
That being said, expired traffic in the form of backlinks for example is normally tolerated.
In fact it all boils down to conversion. If you have good conversion rates the parking company will probably not bother about the origin of the traffic.
If you have bad traffic (clicks but no purchases), it can ultimately lead to termination of your parking account.

Paid to click is a form of fraud because clickers have no intention of buying anything, they just generate paid clicks that are borne by the advertisers.

Okay, I understood that parking is all about NATURAL traffic.. got it. But then, the use of PTC? Only affiliate products? ( Here .. I got the idea. )

Thanks all for your input.

Now I have understood why it is not allowed. But I still do think that is is bad .. just :imho:

Thanks again all!

- gcttirth

 

[nielsencl]

Thank you. I am very glad that you understand, even if you do not agree.

The only thing I can tell you is to do some advertising or help a client advertise with PPC. If you think pp2c is ok, then advertising with one of those companies directly if you can. If not then see how well content or display network advertising works for you. If it does, great, there are no problems. But if you advertise something with a high bid price like financial, medical, or legal I assure you there will be much fraud and low return on the money you spend. This has been going on for years and will continue to get worse until we replace PPC to "Flat rate" advertising were ads are put on sites for a week or month for one price. That way there can be no click fraud as there is now.

 

[gcttirth]

Thank you. I am very glad that you understand, even if you do not agree.

The only thing I can tell you is to do some advertising or help a client advertise with PPC. If you think pp2c is ok, then advertising with one of those companies directly if you can. If not then see how well content or display network advertising works for you. If it does, great, there are no problems. But if you advertise something with a high bid price like financial, medical, or legal I assure you there will be much fraud and low return on the money you spend. This has been going on for years and will continue to get worse until we replace PPC to "Flat rate" advertising were ads are put on sites for a week or month for one price. That way there can be no click fraud as there is now.

Well, I already have advertised on PPC and PTC, and I have found PTC worked good for me, but the reason could be that it requires some knowledge on keywords on PPC ( I heard ) ..

I wish there will be a parking company, allowing PTC visitors ...

 

[Kate]

If you're willing to build traffic I would look at something more lucrative than parking, affiliate perhaps.

 

[gcttirth]

If you're willing to build traffic I would look at something more lucrative than parking, affiliate perhaps.

Indeed, I am thinking to do so... Thanks for your input.