discuss What happened with .org / .co?

[twiki]

Am I the only one dropping these tlds completely?

Have had zero sales in the last 2 years or so and I've given up on them completely. Holding only .com and a few good .xyz. I used to sell a lot of .co and especially .org for 4-fig, now I'd be glad to get an xxx sale at least.

What about you?

( Note, I know that occasionally there are great sales in either tld, no need to mention that. But even that's rare now and mostly works for highly sought names, otherwise the middle market has been quite silent... )

 

[okaydomains]

I'd say that's more of personal experience. That doesn't mean that .nets, .orgs, or whatever doesn't rank in Google or else we wouldn't see those extensions show up.

This is the correct take.

Google doesn't care about hyphens or tlds. But hyphenated domains and those with something other than .com are less trusted by humans right now (and tend to be newer), which has second order effects (less trust, newer domain = less links) which makes them seem to rank more poorly.

 

[KTC]

This is the correct take.

Google doesn't care about hyphens or tlds. But hyphenated domains and those with something other than .com are less trusted by humans right now (and tend to be newer), which has second order effects (less trust, newer domain = less links) which makes them seem to rank more poorly.

Fully agreed there. When I did more web development and would build new websites on top of expired domains with an existing backlink profile, I was off to the races. org? No problem. nl? Lead the way. Two hyphens? Time to see if I can get two times my money spent back. .com.au? How did that silly American get that(and profited)?

Google(and SEO in general) doesn't give two about any of that stuff, unless those backlinks are super suspect. Humans are a different story.

 

[comRaid]

Correct me if I am wrong. Isn't .org intended for the non profit organizations. Why would a non profit organization pay a hefty sum to a domain squatter? Doesn't make sense to me. And I have never really liked .co/.ws type of domains.

Some crypto companies use .org

 

[premkumar]

i think .co sales fall is because .CO registry made most medicore domains as premium and all you guys registry for $1 or $3 each are gargage. Basically registry may be banking on the premium .co sale.

 

[dirk]

Am I the only one dropping these tlds completely?

Have had zero sales in the last 2 years or so and I've given up on them completely. Holding only .com and a few good .xyz. I used to sell a lot of .co and especially .org for 4-fig, now I'd be glad to get an xxx sale at least.

What about you?

( Note, I know that occasionally there are great sales in either tld, no need to mention that. But even that's rare now and mostly works for highly sought names, otherwise the middle market has been quite silent... )

I like .org for the mere fact that decent domains can be acquired for a reasonable amount and sold for a good ROI.

Over time I see a bright future (again?) for .org. less competitive extension although that's about to change. Hold on to your best ones would be my advice.

Like most would agree, profit is in the buying, no matter the extension.

I'm not into .co so hard to comment. My gut feeling tells me the moment has passed and the cool kids club is abandoning it.

 

[twiki]

I'm not into .co so hard to comment. My gut feeling tells me the moment has passed and the cool kids club is abandoning it.

I believe the same. Xyz is the new cool.

Who would have thought that 5+ years ago ? ( except @DNGear )

Edit: .co is easy to confuse with .com, and due to it email also can go to the wrong site ... bad for business.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

I'm holding one of the best .CO portfolios, although very small in numbers (under 200) which includes Business.CO, Finance.CO, News.CO, Internet.CO, Hosting.CO and more. I'm seeing there are inquiries flowing in as per the monthly report I receive from Afternic. However, I'm yet to receive any reasonable offer on those domains.

In short, I'm seeing slowness in .CO sales especially this year.

 

[love4ever]

I bought around 490 .co domains last year in july during epik promo , i did it as a experiment , but it was worst experience i had in domaining !!
Most domains were two good keywords and taken minimum in 8 extenstion as per dotdb , i put price ranges from $250 - $400 and was stressful year waiting the .co sales and was no sales lol ,
i was watching them at google analytics and even from colombia no visitors or traffic lol
i reduced later the prices under $ 200 and hardy did 3 sales and make it break even . and the rest of domains expired . I took a lesson and will not repeat it . lol

The first year of the pademic 2020 the .co was shining star , but later faded .

Note : the single disctionary words in .co are valuable and still has future .



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[kaposzta]

2022 is not .co's year, that's for sure. Last year I had 11 .co sales, this year I have only 5 so far. The STR is slowly decreasing from an excellent 4% to a still-okay 2.7%. First I thought that the root cause for less sales is that I've been spending much less time on domaining since last May (2-3 hours daily --> 1 hour weekly) and mainly focusing on a niche instead of registering junk .co names, but I guess xyz is the new .co, and that's the main reason Anyway, I still 4x my money on my .co spending, so I'm still happy with the results.

 

[NameGroove]

I'm holding one of the best .CO portfolios, although very small in numbers (under 200) which includes Business.CO, Finance.CO, News.CO, Internet.CO, Hosting.CO and more. I'm seeing there are inquiries flowing in as per the monthly report I receive from Afternic. However, I'm yet to receive any reasonable offer on those domains.

In short, I'm seeing slowness in .CO sales especially this year.

I bought around 490 .co domains last year in july during epik promo , i did it as a experiment , but it was worst experience i had in domaining !!
Most domains were two good keywords and taken minimum in 8 extenstion as per dotdb , i put price ranges from $250 - $400 and was stressful year waiting the .co sales and was no sales lol ,
i was watching them at google analytics and even from colombia no visitors or traffic lol
i reduced later the prices under $ 200 and hardy did 3 sales and make it break even . and the rest of domains expired . I took a lesson and will not repeat it . lol

The first year of the pademic 2020 the .co was shining star , but later faded .

Note : the single disctionary words in .co are valuable and still has future .



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2022 is not .co's year, that's for sure. Last year I had 11 .co sales, this year I have only 5 so far. The STR is slowly decreasing from an excellent 4% to a still-okay 2.7%. First I thought that the root cause for less sales is that I've been spending much less time on domaining since last May (2-3 hours daily --> 1 hour weekly) and mainly focusing on a niche instead of registering junk .co names, but I guess xyz is the new .co, and that's the main reason Anyway, I still 4x my money on my .co spending, so I'm still happy with the results.

Reviving this thread... have you guys seen any movement in .co in the past 2.5 years? Are you still holding and hopeful or is it unworthy? Wondering if it is worthwhile to play with the .co extension.

As for org - is it worthy for companies? Seems like co would be a better fit, but I see .orgs selling

 

[kaposzta]

Reviving this thread... have you guys seen any movement in .co in the past 2.5 years? Are you still holding and hopeful or is it unworthy? Wondering if it is worthwhile to play with the .co extension.

As for org - is it worthy for companies? Seems like co would be a better fit, but I see .orgs selling

.co is worth it if you can register a name for around $3, sell around $500 (net), with an STR of at least 1%. It is not worth renewing it unless the name is really great.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

Reviving this thread... have you guys seen any movement in .co in the past 2.5 years? Are you still holding and hopeful or is it unworthy? Wondering if it is worthwhile to play with the .co extension.

As for org - is it worthy for companies? Seems like co would be a better fit, but I see .orgs selling

I've sold a few in the last 2.5 years. Several 3L .CO and the best sale was Hosting.CO for $35,000.

 

[love4ever]

I've sold a few in the last 2.5 years. Several 3L .CO and the best sale was Hosting.CO for $35,000.

If i am not mistaken your best sale was Electra.CO for $50,000

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[alcy]

u ask wrong question

the right one is... what happened to domains.

all sales down. minus few exceptions. unfortunately it's not getting better.

5 to 15 yrs of now tech advances will completely eliminate domains...ai... meta and things we xant even imagine... so yea one day hotelcom value will be exactly zero. but til then iti will just be slow gradual death.

it's stupid to drop good org or co names.. or io..or even total shit like xyz... but buying new ones is equally stupid

so if u got good 1word io co org net xyz keep a dozen or 2 around ... dont get new ones tho unless its tech,io for a grand hahaha

your welcome.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

If i am not mistaken your best sale was Electra.CO for $50,000

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Yeah, that's the best so far in .CO

 

[Jeff_Libert]

FWIW, ~20+ years ago, when the so-called "Dot Com Bubble" was deflating, I waded into buying one word, industry defining, .Org domains. Some I acquired for <$100. A few I paid $$$$ for.

20 years later?

It was a good move. Not cheap, but still a good move.

Only 1 or 2 of my domain sales were reported and not by me, so you have little information- based on automated appraisal services - what a solid, commercially focused, one word .Org sells for.

What I can tell you is don't rely on appraisal tools, "except on the margins". Junk is easily appraised as junk. <$1000 appraisals? Real value? $0, unless you sell to the next fool.

Also, keyword "strings" in domains - which were once, long ago, the rage - have little if any inherent value in most any TLD, even more so in .Org.

However, a single keyword that defines an industry with high content consumption (search volume) and high commercial value and high commercial-consumer / B2B intent will tend to have high aftermarket interest and value.

If you do your homework you can still find some undervalued .Org domains in the aftermarket that fit the above description.

A "find" may not result in a fast sale, but make a wise investment and patience will rule the day. Securing a 10x to 20x+ ROI on a $$$$ investment is as sweet as taking a $10 new reg up to $$$ to low $$$$.

If you make a study of the topic you likely will do better to acquire 1,2 or 3 top quality aftermarket mispriced .Org domains than you will do by acquiring 100, 200 or 300 newly reg'ed speculative - "WTF was I / were you thinking?" domains.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

what a solid, commercially focused, one word .Org sells for.

Are you open to sharing, with or without naming names?

 

[Jeff_Libert]

LOL. Dare I say, it's hard to share example-words without thereby naming the domains?

Okay, here's a few examples of what I continue to hold, always with a mind to develop:

Manufacturing dot org
Export dot org
Tourism dot org
Investing dot org

A few built but not given much attention, for waaay too long:
Lawsuit.org
Foliage.org

Recently, reluctantly, parted ways with Trade dot org. A few years back, again reluctantly, parted ways with Clean dot org. Same with Investor dot org. In all cases a broker was involved, acting on the buy side. It takes a broker to "not sell, but educate" about the "value in use" of special domains.

Hope that lends clarity.

FWIW, I hold a handful of 2 word dot orgs, but they fit the description I provided about. Example? LawyerReferral dot org.

Many / Most of the 2 word dot orgs I've seen promoted for sale in the aftermarket were simply . . . not sufficiently robust, other than to find a "next fool" buyer in the hopeful reseller world.

 

[DrJacoby]

@Jeff_Libert Have you ever sold a .org for six figures?

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

Clean dot org

Gold!

Easily a six figure .org domain name. Cc @DrJacoby

 

[Jeff_Libert]

@Jeff_Libert Have you ever sold a .org for six figures?

Like I said, with the exception of a few close business confidants I keep things to myself, as do many private business owners. On any forum I care not to impress, but to educate - within limits.

That said, there have been reported six figure .Org sales.

I know this isn't directly responsive or illuminating, especially since I place no faith in automated appraisal tools, but, FWIW, Estibot has no difficulty seeing value in Investing.org.

Over the years, both Estibot and GoDaddy's appraisal tools undervalued all manner of my domain sales, typically by 2x, 3x to 10x LESS than the final sale price. I know I'm not alone in this experience.

All any domain name sale takes is what I've outlined above + willing and able buyer + willing and informed seller. Ultimately, any deal is a negotiation, knowledge is power and valuable knowledge usually comes at a cost.

If you think you are holding a winner then submit it to a broker to handle if you are uncertain. The best ones have a good grasp of value.

 

[NameGroove]

Like I said, with the exception of a few close business confidants I keep things to myself, as do many private business owners. On any forum I care not to impress, but to educate - within limits.

That said, there have been reported six figure .Org sales.

I know this isn't directly responsive or illuminating, especially since I place no faith in automated appraisal tools, but, FWIW, Estibot has no difficulty seeing value in Investing.org.

Over the years, both Estibot and GoDaddy's appraisal tools undervalued all manner of my domain sales, typically by 2x, 3x to 10x LESS than the final sale price. I know I'm not alone in this experience.

All any domain name sale takes is what I've outlined above + willing and able buyer + willing and informed seller. Ultimately, any deal is a negotiation, knowledge is power and valuable knowledge usually comes at a cost.

If you think you are holding a winner then submit it to a broker to handle if you are uncertain. The best ones have a good grasp of value.

Is there a broker (or brokers) you recommend?

And thank you for your insight, it is appreciated

 

[King]

I've only sold one at retail so far, leggings org

I pretty much dropped them all, I only have a couple of each like loanable org & caught acerola org yesterday

 

[alcy]

the idiot's from co made premiums of everything almost ... and hiked prices of rest to like 30.

that's what happened.

and nothing happened to org cause it was never a thing unless u are back to 1990s and running charities or such

 

[Jeff_Libert]

Is there a broker (or brokers) you recommend?

And thank you for your insight, it is appreciated

Grit Brokerage does a nice job "getting the word out", but there's considerable overlap with "the best domains market themselves". That said, they bring intelligence, experience and good communication skills to the mix.

There are other brokers I've worked with but the higher up the food chain you go the better your domains need to be in their eyes, so - as Dirty Harry famously said, "Do you feel lucky . . . err . . . Do you have what most well experienced domainers would feel are top tier domains?"

If memory serves me Escrow.com and/or other entities annually publish reports on the top brokers.