Warning for newbies: livsnyter.com appraisal scam

[armstrong]

Got this in the email recently:

Subject: Re: recklinghausen.info ( second post )


I need an appraisal before making an offer.

Our partners (webmasters and domain owners) always recommend us to
verify an independent appraisal first. It would be fair for both of us.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your name? Please note that I
don't trust free or unprofessional appraisals. It can be an appraisal
certificate from www.FastDomainSales.com or www.GreatDomains.com or
HollywoodDomains.com. It does not matter because they were recommended to
me by experienced experts.

After I receive your appraisal I'll make my offer.

How do you prefer to get paid: PayPal, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply.

Best regards,


Brian Taylor

CEO

MCSD, MSCE

LivSnyter

This is exactly the same method of operation we saw from the allfordomains scam, so watch out!

 

[g0ldy]

Thanks mate :D

 

[Bill1]

thanks Armstrong

What i dont get is what do these ppl get out of this i mean if ppl do get their names appraised how do they profit?

 

[armstrong]

Greatdomains no longer offer paid appraisals, and hollywooddomain appraisals cost $75. fastdomainsales appraisals cost $10-$55 per domain, so the victim will probably go for that.

These scammers probably work for fastdomainsales, or get a fat commission.

There is no intent to purchase your domain from the start. Instead, the entire point of their email is to convince you to pay for an appraisal.

 

[DrWho]

Originally posted by armstrong
Greatdomains no longer offer paid appraisals, and hollywooddomain appraisals cost $75. fastdomainsales appraisals cost $10-$55 per domain, so the victim will probably go for that.

These scammers probably work for fastdomainsales, or get a fat commission.

There is no intent to purchase your domain from the start. Instead, the entire point of their email is to convince you to pay for an appraisal.

Good catch!

 

[redhippo]

more scammers around! thanks for the warning armstrong!

 

[Anthony]

Please note that I don't trust free or unprofessional appraisals.

Heh. Thanks for the warning, Armstrong. Probably will help a lot of people out.

 

[.edu]

thanks for the heads up. Will add that domain to the spam bin.

 

[wordplay]

Yep. This appraisal scheme fraud is perpetrated by Eleview International, run by OLEG NAYANDIN, DMITR SHAMPAROV, and MICHAEL E PARRIS.

Here's another (different) one I just received from "Brian Taylor"...
(Taylor <[email protected]>)

Hi there,

I wrote you 24 hours ago but did not receive a reply. Perhaps, there were some
communication problems between our email servers.

Our company is a domain investor. After doing a keyword search we have found
your domain for sale.
I've decided to contact you direct via email. I've found your email address via
WHO IS.

Is this domain still available for sale? Even if it's not for sale please let me
know.

If it's still available for sale please email us your asking price.

If you have other good domains for sale feel free to email me the full list with
asking prices.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please don't send us multiple
emails if you don't receive a reply from us and keep our email address
confidential.
Just email me your asking price. If I decide to buy I will contact you as soon
as possible.

Kindest regards,

Brian Taylor

CEO

MCSE, MCSD

LivSnyter

 

[Anthony]

Thanks for the extra scam info, wordplay.

I bet a lot of people find NP searching for this info.

 

[Redleg]

Hmm, looks like Allfordomains is trying new ways now..
I received a similar e-mail today, and I did of course search for similar mails here on namepros, and I found this post.

Here's a copy of the mail:

Hi there,

My name is James Brown. Our company is a domain investor. I wrote you 24 hours ago but did not receive a reply. Perhaps, there were some communication problems between our email servers.

Our company is a domain investor.

I've decided to contact you direct via email. I've found your email address via WHO IS.

Is this domain still available for sale? Even if it's not for sale please let me know.

If it's still available for sale please email us your asking price.

If you have other good domains for sale feel free to email me the full list with asking prices.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please don't send me multiple emails if you don't receive a reply from me and keep my email address confidential.
Just email me your asking price. If I decide to buy I will contact you as soon as possible.


Kindest regards,

James Brown

CEO

MCSE, MCSD

James Brown??? Aw come on, you should have better imagination than that..

I did recieve an e-mail refering to the same domain name as this a couple of days ago, but it ended in my spam box (so I guess there were some "communication problems"...), I did only take a brief look at it, and saw that it was the famous Allfordomains scam again...
I deleted that one, so I can't post it here..

The e-mail adress is [email protected]

if you follow the domain tvslave.com you end up here: http://epost.portalen.no:81/
It's a Norwegian free e-mail provider, with lots of "funny" e-mail domains...

If you receive similar e-mails like this, you should follow the e-mail domain name, if it leads to portalen.no, it's most probably a scam!

 

[jj2ii3344]

Received the same letter as wordplay today!
Damn him!

 

[Redleg]

Hmm..

I'll try to mail that Norwegian company today (Norwegian myself), and explain about this scam..

It would have been nice if everyone who has received mails like this could post the different mail adresses her, or PM them to me, and I'll report them as well..

 

[gandalf]

here is my two cents on the story

sorry for a strong language, guy gets roudy in the end; i didn't get scammed but how many people did? i also filed a formal complaint with IFCC, their business is registered in US so they might do smth, if somebody else gets swindled, please go to http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp and file a complaint, maybe by joint efforts we will bring fastdomainsales.com down:



From : James Brown <[email protected]
Reply-To : <[email protected]
Sent : Sunday, April 25, 2004 8:08 PM
To : "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Subject : RE: sportsbetmaker.com


Lawyers? Don't make me lough. You are not a rich man to afford several lawyers.
Or do you sell drugs like many other guys in Costa Rica?

TVSlave exists but I don't want to wsate my time with such sucker and prove
something to a complete idiot.

You canot afford lawyers but you may afford to suck your cock. **** off and god
bye liar!

Lawyers.. ha ha ha. How stupid you are. All Russians are ****ing idiots even if
they live in Costa Rica.

Don't forget to suck your RUSSIAN dick and lick your stupid butt.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:47:14 +0000

Dear James,

Haha, your name doesn't sound like Norwegian to me. Also tvslave.com doesn't
exist. Any comment on that? I bet address is a fake too. I will have my
lawyers looking into it.

I apologize if I sounded abusive, one can't be overly careful on the
internet, too much fraud. Plus it does look like an easy way to lure people
in to make appraisals and sounds very suspicious that you will only accept
appraisal from them, don't you think?

I live in Costa Rica, Central America. My parents are from Russia
originally, that is how I got my name. Please feel free to verify registrar
information and Mafia connections, haha.

It is a freedom of speech in this world so you go ahead and do what you find
necessary to do and I will go ahead and publish this correspondence and give
fasdomainsales.com some bad publicity.

Good luck in your endeavors,

Dimitry

From: "James Brown" <[email protected]
Reply-To: <[email protected]
To: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Subject: RE: sportsbetmaker.com
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:32:10 +0200

Dear Dimitri,

Your letter sounds abusing.

I run a software development company in Oslo, Norway.
I recommended you USA based companies so I cannot be connected with them.
After receiving your letter I visited those sites and found they did not
provide any affiliate programs. I don't know other way how to prove that
I'm not connected.

I laso have some concerns dealing with a guy with russian name. I know that
almost all Russians are hackers who use stolen credit cards and bank
accounts. Perhaps you used stne credit card to register this name. I don't
want to buy stolen names or be involved in any criminal activity of Russian
mafia. I may also raise some questions in forums regarding you and Russian
mafia.
I may also contact your registar and ask them to verify your real address
and name.

Or you are from Bulgaria?

I may also ask my lawyer to start investigation on you if you continue to
abuse me in my letters.

My address in Oslo
Munkebekken 25
Oslo, NO 1061
Norway

So be my guest.

Are you from Moscow?

Anyway it does not matter for me because I already found another seller.
I'm not interested in your name since I've spent some cash.



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:32:37 +0000

You know what I think now mr.Brown, i think it is a very clever way to
lure
people into getting an appraisal done with fastdomainsales.com by playing
on
a psychological aspect of it, person who sells a domain for $10000 will
surely spend $55 on appraisal, no?

Looks very suspicious to me and i will raise some questions on online
forums. There is no obvious connection between you and fastdomainsales as
your email extension is tvslave.com, which doesn't exist, nevertheless, I
am
determined to shed light on this story, especially if i get no answer to
this email. Do you have an address for your "software development"
company?


From: "James Brown" <[email protected]
Reply-To: <[email protected]
To: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Subject: RE: sportsbetmaker.com
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:53:13 +0200

No. Never heard about them. Sorry. I prefer not to risk.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:01:59 +0000

You haven't replied to my last email. Do you agree with an appraisal
from
sedo.co.uk? it is much more reputable than fastdomainsales.com.


From: "James Brown" <[email protected]
Reply-To: <[email protected]
To: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Subject: RE: sportsbetmaker.com
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:36:40 +0200

I don't trust software made appraisals. As far as I know nobody is
used
any
calculators in MANUAL appraisals.

But if you have an official response from fastdomainsales that manual
service and calculator are the same service I'll agrre with you.

I think you may ask them and send a reply.

At this moment I cannot agree with you.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:11:04 +0000

I do sell domains as hobby and I used to market an online loan
business.
I
do not claim to know everything but my experience with these
'appraisal'
companies have always been negative. I do not like to waste money
on
something I believe is not worth it.

Here is a fact for you. FastDomainSales.com sells this appraisal
software
for $65 which you can buy on ebay for $12 and charges $55 for a
single
domain appraisal where their "professional opinion" is done
"manually"
and
usually is a swing of $500-$2000 from the figure the software gives
you
and
it is a plus $500-$2000 if words are generic and easily marketable
and
minus
if nobody searches for the words; or if they are trademarked they
tell
you
to stay away. A no brainer. What they do is basically is make $55
for
ten
minutes of work.

If you are serious about getting this domain, let's make an
experiment, I
am
sending you the screenshot of the software appraisal which I just
did,
it
states that the value of the site is $7,347.00. I am even sending
you
a
copy
of software, feel free to use it but please do not distribute.

by using
http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/
tool
you can see that keywords "sports bet" were searched 65873 times
last
month,
these are the keywords the site is really targeting (not "sports
bet
maker",
it was chosen because the name is catchy and easy to remember),
which
justifies check mark on the box "Well known industry term or
phrase"

Now, if you are serious, go order that appraisal form
fastdomainsales.com
and if it comes way different from the price the software gives us,
I
will
discount you the $55 from the price agreed if you buy.

Good day,

Dimitry



From: "James Brown" <[email protected]
Reply-To: <[email protected]
To: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Subject: RE: sportsbetmaker.com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:45:41 +0200

I run a software development company in Oslo, Norway. We make
software
projects in MS SQL, Delphi, MS Access and Interbase.

Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way
to
invest
free money and make some income.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:59:36 +0000

Mr.James Brown,

Which company do you represent? Can I get some details please
before
we
go
any further?

Regards,

Dimitry


From: "James Brown" <[email protected]
Reply-To: <[email protected]
To: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Subject: RE: sportsbetmaker.com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:27:30 +0200

I deon't care about this software. I don't trust software made
appraisal.
I'm interested in MANUAL appraisals only from

http://www.fastdomainsales.com/appraisal.htm
or
http://www.greatdomains.com

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:33:15 +0000

Domain only.

I will not be spending money on appraisal as I have the same
software
they
all use: http://www.fastdomainsales.com/calculator.htm I
will
be
able
to
use it tomorrow and I will send you the screen shot with the
result.
If
you
would like to appraise it with somebody else please feel
free.

Payment by bank wire only. Dealing through escrow.com or
similar
service,
split costs.

Sincerely,

Dmitry Gapkalov


From: "James Brown" <[email protected]
Reply-To: <[email protected]
To: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Subject: RE: sportsbetmaker.com (second letter 18.04.04)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:00:12 +0200

10,000. Ok.

Is it a developed site or just a domain name? We are mostly
interested
in
domains without web content.

I need an appraisal for domains priced in your range.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your name? Please
note
that
I
don't trust free or unprofessional appraisals. It can be an
appraisal
certificate from www.FastDomainSales.com or
www.GreatDomains.com
or
www.HollywoodDomains.com. It does not matter because they
were
recommended
to me by experienced experts.

After I receive your appraisal I'll make my offer.

How do you prefer to get paid: PayPal, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply.

Best regards,

James Brown

CEO

MCSD, MSCE


---------- Original Message
----------------------------------
From: "Dmitry Gapkalov" <[email protected]
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:43:02 +0000

Mr.Brown,

My apologies for the delay with an answer, I was
travelling
and
I
was
unable
to connect to the internet. The price is $10,000.

My best regards,

Dmitry Gapkalov


From: James Brown <[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: sportsbetmaker.com (second letter 18.04.04)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:18:38 +0400 (MSD)


Hi there,

My name is James Brown. Our company is a domain investor.
I
wrote
you
24
hours ago but did not receive a reply. Perhaps, there
were
some
communication problems between our email servers.

Our company is a domain investor.

I've decided to contact you direct via email. I've found
your
email
address
via WHO IS.

Is this domain still available for sale? Even if it's not
for
sale
please
let me know.

If it's still available for sale please email us your
asking
price.

If you have other good domains for sale feel free to
email
me
the
full
list
with asking prices.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please
don't
send
me
multiple emails if you don't receive a reply from me and
keep
my
email
address confidential.
Just email me your asking price. If I decide to buy I
will
contact
you
as
soon as possible.


Kindest regards,

James Brown

CEO

MCSE, MCSD

 

[Rob]

LMAO!!

 

[gandalf]

i know, funny, if those people would be a bit smarter, it can be and who knows maybe it is a very lucrative scam, the play on greed is classic...

 

[csmaster2005]

heh, it is exact concept as that other scam that was mentioned a few days ago

 

[Mark]

It's Basically the same letter every three months or so - But it is nice to see they're Using new "Personal" Names - I've Probably got 5 or 6 of them -

Thanks -

 

[csmaster2005]

heh, they are using personal names

 

[Anthony]

That email exchange was definitely good for a laugh. Some scammers are so bad they're funny, almost...

 

[cyberserf]

ditto, Anthony, that exchange was hilarious

 

[ValeryAyapov.com]

Just to complete the letters collection...

Hi,

and those people cover up themselves with respected names like Brian Taylor.... very bad.

The text:

From: Taylor <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
Subject: CASHFLOW-TIPS.COM (second request)
Files: <none>
--====----====----====----====----====----====----====----
Hi there,

I wrote you 24 hours ago but did not receive a reply. Perhaps, there were some communication problems between our email servers.

Our company is a domain investor. After doing a keyword search we have found your domain for sale.
I've decided to contact you direct via email. I've found your email address via WHO IS.

Is this domain still available for sale? Even if it's not for sale please let me know.

If it's still available for sale please email us your asking price.

If you have other good domains for sale feel free to email me the full list with asking prices.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please don't send us multiple emails if you don't receive a reply from us and keep our email address confidential.
Just email me your asking price. If I decide to buy I will contact you as soon as possible.

Kindest regards,

Brian Taylor

CEO

MCSE, MCSD

LivSnyter

end of scam letter.

 

[LasseReiersenGravdal]

if you follow the domain tvslave.com you end up here: http://epost.portalen.no:81/
It's a Norwegian free e-mail provider, with lots of "funny" e-mail domains...

Im the manager of that site, and I can assure you that I will do anything to make these people stop what they're doing. I've locked down the accounts in question here anyways.

 

[Redleg]

Meget bra, takker så mye for det.

Means thanks in Norwegian.. :D )

 

[brainstorm]

OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM FASTDOMAINSALES

We did not authorize this person to use our company name in his promotional emails. I think other companies did not authorize him too. He is not our affiliate.

At this moment our security department and lawyers are trying to find their reaa address and start a lwasuit against this person sending fake emails that ruins our reputation.


Please read the following information. It will help you to avoid mistakes

Their motive... It's looking like they work for the competitor to ruin the reputation of FastDomainSales.com, HollywoodDomains and others sites mentioned in his letter. Perhaps he is hired by one of our competitors. Someone last year tried to get a forum thread started about this, at HollywoodDomains.com ,but it never took off , so apparently they are not involved ,but a victim as well .

How to avoid being a victim : If a potential buyer asks you to provide an independant appraisal especially one like the above..Suggest to them to purchase the appraisal themselves and if they buy ,you will deduct the cost
of the appraisal from the sale price .

It's very easy to stop this guy.

NEVER ORDER APPRAISALS AFTER RECEIVING SUCH REQUESTS. ASK YOUR BUYER TO ORDER THIS SERVICE HIMSELF/HERSELF.

Sincerely,

Andrew Gordon

FastDomainSales Team