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.UK Buyers Have Overpaid

Labeled as analysis in ccTLD Discussion, started by DomainNameBroker.com, Jul 22, 2019

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  1. BaileyUK

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    Another point to be made, Is lets not forget all of us with .co.uks have had several years to sell our assigned UK's either as a pair or individually. Didn't see much going on before the 'unclaimed rights' went to market recently. Any savvy company (or individual) took care of their assigned UK's years ago - they never were part of any drop

    * For those that are unaware ALL .co.uk holders were assigned their shorter .UKs and in most cases for FREE for two years. This recent event was for all the UNCLAIMED UK's.

    In some instances I've personally got another year on my free registration period, Yep three years in total, and they all show as registered to me in my acco
     
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  2. BuyBrandWeb.com

    BuyBrandWeb.com Praveen Chidaboyina PRO VIP Gold Account

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    @DomainNameBroker.com Your statements are too aggressive and there are many opportunities to make money in these extensions. I expect .uk sales pick up once people started using .uk like most of the Indian users switched to .in from .co.in
    I guess .uk investment is a long term investment!

    I made money with .co extension and still see an opportunity there to make money.
     
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  3. MadAboutDomains

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    I'm really not surprised. The .UK namespace appears to have a handful of people that are heavily invested in the bulk of the 'good' domains. (Giraffe, Domains.co.uk). This .UK release has given a tiny taste of what it would be like if the .UK domain market was a bit more fluid. A tiny taste because, after all, there were only ~40k domains registered in the RoR drops.

    We'll have to see what the future holds for .UK. I'm just here to fight against the blanket ".UK is crap" sentiment

    More names available to more people can't be a bad thing imho. Bad for prices maybe due to supply and demand, but the demand appears pretty healthy at the moment doesn't it.
     
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  4. JagG

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    The auctions for .uk at Domainlore.uk sold for ....
    • Shopping.uk closed at £35k
    • insure.uk £10,200
    • Room.uk £5099
    • Rooms.uk £5505
    • SelfStorage.uk £5,352
    • whisky.uk £10,750
    • CommercialProperty.uk £5,244
    Plus many more names sold recently.... Not all sold names are reported on Namebio .... #JustSaying
     
  5. platey

    platey Top Contributor VIP

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    I'm from the uk

    . Co.uk

    Is the recognised extension

    . uk

    Will be the preferred choice in time

    I order the

    . uk

    I own both. Co.uk And. uk in some domains as a pair and both extensions in just one of the extensions in some of my domains

    If as alleged in seo that Google only needs to know what the product is and where it is

    .uk

    Is an area

    . Co.uk

    Isn't

    The uk is digitally fast asleep but it will wake up and ain't the. uk And will have to pay top dollar for. uk eventually

    Even

    . De

    . Fr

    . Es

    And

    . It

    Aren't areas or a recognised group of countries

    . uk

    Is

    But the uk domain name market and the prices of both. Co.uk And. uk Website addresses will soar in value when the

    2 big players in the number plate game in the uk really get in to website addresses

    One has the other hasn't as yet but has the stock to

    Because they both have 40 years of enduser customers that are absolutely ideal for website addresses

    And when they compete for ad space in the papers for website addresses as they do for number plates

    The uk Website addresses market will take off big time
     
  6. MapleDots

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    Now there is one trouble spot for .uk that nobody has mentioned yet.
    Just like .eu there would be trouble if the union broke apart.

    Most countries don't have to worry about that because they are a single entity but if the uk breaks apart for any reason then an investor owning thousands of these would have a problem.
     
  7. MadAboutDomains

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    I believe that shopping.uk was £45k. I can confirm that the purchaser of that name certainly doesn't feel like they overpaid, they're extremely pleased with the purchase by the sounds of things. Great name.
     
  8. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    they just announced
    that the British can keep the .eu
    even when they might leave the eu
     
  9. JagG

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    Yeah, was £45k Ref: https://www.brandwise.co.uk/Biggest_UK_Domain_Name_Sales.html
     
  10. MadAboutDomains

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  11. MapleDots

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    The question is would you want to if you are no longer part of the eu?

    Same thing with uk... if there is no uk then it would no longer make sense.

    The risks are pretty minimal but with the moron they just put into power one never knows.
     
  12. MadAboutDomains

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    Which rags are you reading? :smuggrin:
     
  13. MapleDots

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    The equivalent to our National Enquirer :xf.laugh: :xf.laugh: :xf.laugh:
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/

    Seriously though Boris Johnson does not sound like he is too stable either.
    The UK is a union of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    That being the key, a union so hopefully that will continue regardless of the leader that is elected.
     
  14. NickB

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    We don't need a Union, let the Scots run free like Nicola Sturgeon and 44.7% Scots (probably more now) want.

    We can take the annual £20 + billion grant back and use it elsewhere, not likely to happen but it should. Fed up with listening to the constant moaning about it (and Brexit)

    Northern Ireland give back to Ireland or vice versa
    Wales - who cares?
     
  15. MadAboutDomains

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    I think we're all ignoring the fact that they had a referendum on it 2 seconds ago. They can't have another one until Nicola sTURDgeon (yes I added a d) gets what she wants. If it wasn't moaning about leaving the EU, they would be finding some other bs reason why they should have another referendum because something "changed".

    The same people that moan about leaving the EU are the same people that moan about independence like a broken record.

    Most people I know think that Boris is great and can't wait for him to deliver brexit.
     
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  16. xynames

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    Last year I sold a .com for high five figures to a Canadian outfit that had recently acquired the exact equivalent in .ca for registration fee. Didn't matter, they paid up.

    And now we have a SECOND country extension .uk for yet another country where even the original .co.uk hasn't done that well over time to begin with.

    So you tell me, whether it's a good idea to load up and pay high prices for .ca .co.uk or .uk

    Is there a .ca .co.uk or .uk that has sold for even a high fraction of its equivalent .com ? Or is it more that .ca .co.uk have been steadily DECLINING in value which would imply that after an initial runup from investors piling into .uk that .uk will too follow suit, with declines.
     
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  17. MapleDots

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    See, everything I read across the pond here in Canada portrays him as a bumbling idiot.
    So I was thinking... great all we need is another idiot running the country.

    Then again, I should not criticize Boris, or Trump on the US side because our Trudeau is just as bad. His answer to any issue is to take of his shirt and snap a selfie of himself. If that does not work he can pick a weaker opponent and step in the boxing ring pretending he was tough.

    Now before a moderator deletes this post the discussion about the state of the UK is spot on when discussing the .uk extension because if the Union breaks up they will have to make a new extension for England and the value of the .uk would go down exponentially.

    So if I lived in England and was a domain collector with a lot of .uk domains I would have a vested interest in a stable, capable politician at the helm.
     
  18. MapleDots

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    Nobody is comparing the ccTLD's to the com. In most cases the com will be taken and the ccTLD is a viable second choice. It is BECAUSE they are more economically priced that they are a decent investment. You can buy them at a reasonable price and then sell them between 5 and 10 k. With a com you are not even in the ball park at that price.

    So yes, I see your point but it the coms are so far out of reach for a lot of people and businesses that the ccTLD looks quite inviting. As an investor a quick 5k or so can be a decent sale in between the hugely anticipated looooooooooooong wait for the million dollar .com sale :xf.laugh:
     
  19. tonyk2000

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    Well, for all domains in question the following is true:
    1) corresponding .co.uk exists
    2) the owner of .co.uk did not bother to acquire .uk even though he had a priority right to

    So, I am wondering how many _endusers_ in .uk will develop the .uk if they do not own .co.uk as a pair, and also pay premium price for .uk? At least initially they will just deliver free traffic to competing .co.uk
     
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  20. D Haynes

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    In what way do you mean .co.uk hasn't done that well? It's certainly been adopted as much as if not more than .com here in England. Its a strong market on a local scale which is exactly what they are for.

    Of course .Com names will sell for more because there is a vastly larger international user base for them.

    As for .Uk I think the demand isn't there at the moment and some of the prices that have been paid by investors are probably higher than an end user would pay atm but I think its popularity will increase over time. A lot of problems may arise though for sites that don't own both variants.

    Most of these points have been made as I typed this post.
     
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  21. MapleDots

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    I'm going to play devil's advocate here....

    We are domain investors and we know domains and extensions, so we automatically assume other people and business pay attention to this. The sad reality is that probably most people and businesses in the UK are probably not even putting this together. They have a website and a domain and they give it no other thought.

    In a few years when .uk becomes more prevalent they will see the light and wonder if their .co.uk is available as a shorter .uk. They will be surprised to see a domain investor own it and at that time the haggling will begin.
     
  22. xynames

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    The values of .co.uk and .ca have actually declined. That is what I mean by not doing well.
     
  23. tonyk2000

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    UK or not, but if a domain investor in registering something with just one potential buyer in mind (.co.uk owner for example) - then the domain investor is not doing the right thing. Imho.
     
  24. MapleDots

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    I'm talking mostly about prime dictionary words.

    fast.co.uk and I own fast.uk

    I'm not necessarily targeting fast.co.uk because the word is generic and has a multitude of uses. As an investor I would not target fasteddies.co.uk by buying fasteddies.uk. That domain would target one client and never make it on the list of a good investor. Fast.uk or FastShip or something like that would be a viable investment.

    As I said before though, I would be trying to buy up as many single words as I could get my hands on if I were living in the UK.
     
  25. jmcc

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    The .EU ccTLD needs all the registrations that it can get and losing about 250K UK .eu registrations in November 2019 would not be good. There are indications of some registrars offering proxy services to registrants. Even the German .eu figure has been declining for some years now. At one time, it was over a million domain names. The number of .UK registrations was 3.61 million at the end of June. In five years it is larger than the .EU ccTLD. Admittedly, the .UK figures have been helped by registrar bulk registrations and the effect of those registrations will only be seen at renewal time next year.

    Regards...jmcc
     

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