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To Mask or not To Mask... is there even a question?

Located in The Break Room, started by Kenny, Jul 3, 2020

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Do you wear a mask in public?

Poll closed Aug 2, 2020.
  1. Yes

    82.1%
  2. No

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  1. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    personally, my information doesn't come from google

    but from twitter
    highly recommended

    I was able to see people collapsing on the street of Wuhan in Jan or Feb 2020

    so I have no reason to believe of a hoax
    as every governmental authority
    tried to keep that under the radar
    at that time
     
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  2. Compassion

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    Good find.

    Thanks for the share.


    After your post...
    I scrolled through the Church of Satan Twitter account and wow, as an empath that felt like scrolling through a screen of vomit that was left in a toilet after a weekend of binging on alcohol and pizza :yuck:

    Fortunately I had some high vibration music playing. (y)
     
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  3. Compassion

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    DATA, lots and lots of data.....

    https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

    Key points:

    A COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) particle is 0.125 micrometers (μm)

    N95 – A properly fitted N95 will block 95% of tiny air particles down to 0.3 μm from reaching the wearer’s face.


    Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2.
     
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  4. bmugford

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/

    “There is never a naked virus floating in the air or released by people,” said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech who specializes in airborne transmission of viruses.

    The virus attaches to water droplets or aerosols (i.e. really small droplets) that are generated by breathing, talking, coughing, etc. These consist of water, mucus protein and other biological material and are all larger than 1 micron.

    “Breathing and talking generate particles around 1 micron in size, which will be collected by N95 respirator filters with very high efficiency,” said Lisa Brosseau, a retired professor of environmental and occupational health sciences who spent her career researching respiratory protection.

    Health care precautions for COVID-19 are built around stopping the droplets, since “there’s not a lot of evidence for aerosol spread of COVID-19,” said Patrick Remington, a former CDC epidemiologist and director of the Preventive Medicine Residency Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

    Our ruling: False
    We rate this claim FALSE because it is not supported by our research. The COVID-19 virus itself is indeed smaller than the N95 filter size, but the virus always travels attached to larger particles that are consistently snared by the filter. And even if the particles were smaller than the N95 filter size, the erratic motion of particles that size and the electrostatic attraction generated by the mask means they would be consistently caught as well.

     
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  5. Compassion

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    Hmmmm...

    Which is a more credible source?


    USA Today (Who blatantly misquoted me years ago btw)

    or


    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons



    Which source is more reliable to you my friends?

    If you had to choose between just these two sources for medical data and opinion, which do you choose?
     
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  6. Ostrados

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    :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

    Viruses do not have wings they do not fly.. instead they get carried by aerosol droplets

    And you claim to be a healthcare professional :ROFL:
     
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  7. Compassion

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    I didn't say I agreed with 100% of that detailed article.

    There are plenty of healthcare practitioners who know viruses are dead and can only be transferred through blood.


    Stick to the point being discussed.

    MASKS.

    Read the whole thing then pipe in.

    Be well.
     
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    The article quotes many sources, including experts in the field. So you can disagree all you want, they did not pull the information of of their @ss. Their sources are quoted in the article.

    The vast majority of medical experts and epidemiologists agree that the broad use of masks helps limit spread.

    Even if a mask helps a little bit, or a lot, either way it still helps.

    Brad
     
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  10. Ostrados

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    You said this:
    Which is extremely naive.. because majority of virus carrying droplets > virus size obviously
     
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    Exosome Theory v. Virus Theory
     
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  15. Ostrados

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    You even lack the ability to do propper research and link to conspiracy youtube videos instead of scientific research papers.
     
  16. Compassion

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    I have 11 years of medical experience and I have multiple medical degrees.

    Attacking me, while being rude - while not sticking to the points shows evidence you are a troll.
     
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  17. Compassion

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    I did not say say this, not my words...Here I'll make it extremely clear for you and paste the info here:

    ___________
    https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
    curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D.

    Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

    Note: A COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) particle is 0.125 micrometers (μm); influenza virus size is 0.08 – 0.12 μm; a human hair is about 150 μm.

    *1 nm = 0.001 micron; 1000 nm = 1 micron; Micrometer (μm) is the preferred name for micron (an older term)

    1 meter is = 1,000,000,000 nm or 1,000,000 microns

    Droplets

    Air currents

    • In air conditioned environment these large droplets may travel farther.
    • However, ventilation — even the opening of an entrance door and a small window can dilute the number of small droplets to one half after 30 seconds. (This study looked at droplets from uninfected persons). This is clinically relevant because poorly ventilated and populated spaces, like public transport and nursing homes, have high SARS-CoV-2 disease transmission despite physical distancing. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30245-9/fulltext
    Objects and surfaces

    • Person to person touching
    • The CDC’s most recent statement regarding contracting COVID-19 from touching surfaces: “Based on data from lab studies on Covid-19 and what we know about similar respiratory diseases, it may be possible that a person can get Covid-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose or possibly their eyes,” the agency wrote. “But this isn’t thought to be the main way the virus spreads. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0522-cdc-updates-covid-transmission.html.
    • Chinese study with data taken from swabs on surfaces around the hospital
      https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0885_article?deliveryName=USCDC_333-DM25707
      • The surfaces where tested with the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, which greatly amplifies the viral genetic material if it is present. That material is detectable when a person is actively infected. This is thought to be the most reliable test.
        • Computer mouse (ICU 6/8, 75%; General ward (GW) 1/5, 20%)
        • Trash cans (ICU 3/5, 60%; GW 0/8)
        • Sickbed handrails (ICU 6/14, 42.9%; GW 0/12)
        • Doorknobs (GW 1/12, 8.3%)
        • 81.3% of the miscellaneous personal items were positive:
          • Exercise equipment
          • Medical equipment (spirometer, pulse oximeter, nasal cannula)
          • PC and iPads
          • Reading glasses
          • Cellular phones (83.3% positive for viral RNA)
          • Remote controls for in-room TVs (64.7% percent positive)
          • Toilets (81.0% positive)
          • Room surfaces (80.4% of all sampled)
          • Bedside tables and bed rails (75.0%)
          • Window ledges (81.8%)
          • Plastic: up to 2-3 days
          • Stainless Steel: up to 2-3 days
          • Cardboard: up to 1 day
          • Copper: up to 4 hours
          • Floor – gravity causes droplets to fall to the floor. Half of ICU workers all had virus on the bottoms of their shoes
    Filter Efficiency and Fit

    *Data from a University of Illinois at Chicago review

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...ntary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

    • HEPA (high efficiency particulate air) filters – 99.97 – 100% efficient. HEPA filters are tested with particles that are 0.125 μm.
    • Masks and respirators work by collecting particles through several physical mechanisms, including diffusion (small particles) and interception and impaction (large particles)
    • N95 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) are constructed from electret (a dielectric material that has a quasi-permanent electric charge. An electret generates internal and external electric fields so the filter material has electrostatic attraction for additional collection of all particle sizes. As flow increases, particles will be collected less efficiently.
    • N95 – A properly fitted N95 will block 95% of tiny air particles down to 0.3 μm from reaching the wearer’s face. https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-masks-explained.
      • But even these have problems: many have exhalation valve for easier breathing and less moisture inside the mask.
      • Filter efficiency was measured across a wide range of small particle sizes (0.02 to 1 µm) at 33 and 99 L/min.
        • N95 respirators had efficiencies greater than 95% (as expected).
        • T-shirts had 10% efficiency,
        • Scarves 10% to 20%,
        • Cloth masks 10% to 30%,
        • Sweatshirts 20% to 40%, and
        • Towels 40%.
        • All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs.
        • Another study evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm).
          • N95 FFR filter efficiency was greater than 95%.
          • Medical masks – 55% efficiency
          • General masks – 38% and
          • Handkerchiefs – 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency.
        • Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2.
          • N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission.
          • Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients.
          • Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).
    “Masks may confuse that message and give people a false sense of security. If masks had been the solution in Asia, shouldn’t they have stopped the pandemic before it spread elsewhere?”

    *The first randomized controlled trial of cloth masks. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

    • Penetration of cloth masks by particles was 97% and medical masks 44%, 3M Vflex 9105 N95 (0.1%), 3M 9320 N95 (<0.01%).
      • Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.
      • The virus may survive on the surface of the face- masks
      • Self-contamination through repeated use and improper doffing is possible. A contaminated cloth mask may transfer pathogen from the mask to the bare hands of the wearer.
      • Cloth masks should not be recommended for health care workers, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.
    *A study of 4 patients in South Korea

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342

    Known patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 wore masks and coughed into a Petrie dish. “Both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS–CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.”

    *Singapore Study – Few people used mask correctly

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/86601

    Overall, data were collected from 714 men and women. About half the sample were women and all adult ages were represented. Only 90 participants (12.6%, 95% CI 10.3%-15.3%) passed the visual mask fit test. About three-quarters performed strap placement incorrectly, 61% left a “visible gap between the mask and skin,” and about 60% didn’t tighten the nose-clip.

    *A 2011 randomized Australian clinical trial of standard medical/surgical masks

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...-su9_me9_vY6a8KVR4HZ17J2A_80f_fXUABRQdhQlc8Wo

    Medical masks offered no protection at all from influenza.

    Conclusions from Organizations

    The World Health Organization (WHO):

    https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream...C_Masks-2020.3-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

    “Advice to decision makers on the use of masks for healthy people in community settings

    As described above, the wide use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not supported by current evidence and carries uncertainties and critical risks.”

    “Medical masks should be reserved for health care workers. The use of medical masks in the community may create a false sense of security, with neglect of other essential measures, such as hand hygiene practices and physical distancing, and may lead to touching the face under the masks and under the eyes, result in unnecessary costs, and take masks away from those in health care who need them most, especially when masks are in short supply.”

    “Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.”

    WHO acknowledges that most people do not use masks properly.

    Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases:

    https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0131-2019-novel-coronavirus.html

    “We don’t routinely recommend the use of face masks by the public to prevent respiratory illness,” said on January 31. “And we certainly are not recommending that at this time for this new virus.”

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/infectioncontrol/maskguidance.htm

    In March 5, 2019 regarding the flu: “Masks are not usually recommended in non-healthcare settings; however, this guidance provides other strategies for limiting the spread of influenza viruses in the community:

    • cover their nose and mouth when coughing or sneezing,
    • use tissues to contain respiratory secretions and, after use, to dispose of them in the nearest waste receptacle, and
    • perform hand hygiene (e.g., handwashing with non-antimicrobial soap and water, and alcohol-based hand rub if soap and water are not available) after having contact with respiratory secretions and contaminated objects/materials.
    From the New England Journal of Medicine

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

    “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.”

    Final Thoughts

    • Surgical masks – loose fitting. They are designed to protect the patient from the doctors’ respiratory droplets. The wearer is not protected from others airborne particles
    • People do not wear masks properly. Most people have the mask under the nose. The wearer does not have glasses on and the eyes are a portal of entry.
    • The designer masks and scarves offer minimal protection – they give a false sense of security to both the wearer and those around the wearer.
      **Not to mention they add a perverse lightheartedness to the situation.
    • If you are walking alone, no mask – avoid folks – that is common sense.
    • Remember – children under 2 should not wear masks – accidental suffocation and difficulty breathing in some
    • If wearing a mask makes people go out and get Vitamin D – go for it. In the 1918 flu pandemic people who went outside did better. Early reports are showing people with COVID-19 with low Vitamin D do worse than those with normal levels. Perhaps that is why shut-ins do so poorly. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20058578v4
    If you are sick, stay home!

    Additional Resource: Healthy People Wearing Masks, Should They or Shouldn’t They? This ER nurse with over two decades of experience took a deep dive into the science to find out: https://jennifermargulis.net/healthy-people-wearing-masks-during-covid19/
     
  18. Compassion

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    "HEPA (high efficiency particulate air) filters – 99.97 – 100% efficient. HEPA filters are tested with particles that are 0.125 μm."

    I agree HEPA filters are helpful.

    You can buy a good one at Costco for about $100.
     
  19. Ostrados

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    I am posting facts and debunking false info.. if you feel humiliated then do not post any more disinfo and respect our intelligence.. domainers by nature have bright brains and are more intelligent than the average person.
     
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  20. frank-germany

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    you really don't get it:
    it's not at all about the wearer's face

    but
    -in case you really still need it:-
    it's about the OTHER person's face
     
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  21. Compassion

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    You act very trollish and admit you have zero medical training.


    Be well.
     
  22. frank-germany

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    look man,
    sometimes medical training is not enough

    (I assume you have no university degree)

    you are constantly thinking about your own affairs

    think about protecting others
    and you will get it

    -not sure about that actually-
     
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  23. Ostrados

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    @Compassion
    Who said masks will block 100% of the virus exposure?!
    N95 will block 95%
    Normal masks will block less.

    But again masks are meant to protect others from you if you have a virus.. many others here illustrated this fact with images and info but you still dont get it.

    Again masks will greatly reduce infection if all people wear them because they will reduce the spread from silent spreaders.

    Do you get it?
     
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  24. Ostrados

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    The extremely complex mind blowing science of why masks greatly reduce virus spread:

    177887_3d19e163bbbfc4166e12447a78344885.png
     
  25. frank-germany

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    even if it WOULD be true what they claim in that video that you shown us

    - that video shows no proof of any of their claims


    it's obviously filmed with actors - and stock photos -

    it makes no sense to think that the whole world is united in that misbehavior

    if that WOULD be true for the USA
    do you think India / South Africa / Germany and so many others
    would perform in the same way?

    there is NO fact proofing that

    it's a made-up story

    get a brain
     
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