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To Mask or not To Mask... is there even a question?

Located in The Break Room, started by Kenny, Jul 3, 2020

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Do you wear a mask in public?

Poll closed Aug 2, 2020.
  1. Yes

    82.1%
  2. No

    17.9%
Total: 123 vote(s)
  1. ta89327

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    First, a disclaimer. Yes this is an alt account. And it is in full compliance with NP rules about secondary accounts. This sort of topic is not the sort of thing I join NP to opine about, but having sat back reading a lot of posts here I felt to need to say something while not wanting to do so from my main account because even though it is based on research I have read about is not going to be popular.

    Another note I will ignore confirmed case numbers, as these aren't a meaningful number because we don;t know how many actual cases there are or how confirmed cases correlate to actual case numbers. What we do have a good grasp on is death numbers. At least here in the US, we are pretty good as attributing cause of death, so long as we can agree on what constitutes a COVID death (but that's a whole nother issue).

    My opinion, this thread asks the wrong question. If your question is do masks block all or the majority of respiratory droplets, then research says yes. If your question is whether COVID is actually spread though respiratory droplets or not, research isn't conclusive but as more data comes in seems to lean towards No! Back when this started it was posited that it spread through surface contact, and we went crazy sanitizing surfaces like crazy, but that didn't stop it. Then came the hypothesis that it was spread though respiratory droplets which can be reduced (though not completely eliminated) though the use of masks. Another study I read showed that respiratory droplets from just regular speaking or even singing won't travel far as they have little velocity to them so even without a mask unless someone in uncomfortably close it doesn't matter. That would only really come into play when coughing or sneezing where than can and do travel several feet, but when's the last time you had someone cough or sneeze in your face. Really even if this method of transmission were true masks aren't the answer. Common courtesy when coughing or sneezing would be. Also even in situations were masks are effective they are not one way blockers. They would block the droplets regardless of who is wearing it so the only remaining transmission would be between two people where neither of them are wearing one.

    Looking at death tolls, there has been no meaningful reduction even after introducing masks. And while not everyone is wearing masks, many prominent virologists have indicated we should see significant reduction with 80% or greater mask wearing, which has been going on without an such reduction. Perhaps its time for a new hypothesis about how it spreads. Now researchers are looking into whether or not it is airborne. That is not that it travels in respiratory droplets but it is a part of the air around us, like oxygen and CO2. If this proves to be the case a regular mask makes 0 difference, only a hazmat grade respirator would. Given the trends this is looking more and more plausible.

    The everyone should wear masks bit is more about giving people a false sense of security than being a meaningful action. Also there are those with medical conditions, like asthma, that make breathing with a mask on way more difficult. Even for someone without asthma it can be difficult for someone not used to wearing a mask normally like doctors are.

    But also let's consider the mortality rate as a percentage of actual infections. It's hard to pin-point since we don't know how many actual infections there are but there is strong reason to belive it is below 0.5%. I for one prefer that to a pandemic of something more serious like Ebola. So lets just keep calm. Near the end of April I read an article comparing COVID to other types of deaths in 2020, at that time chocking caused more total deaths than COVID did. Not sure if those numbers have held but likely so. People hear the word "Pandemic" and freak out, the Mainstream Media does not help! A pandemic merely refers to how wide-spread it is not how deadly it is or anything of the sort.

    Moral of the story, keep calm, mask or no mask most likely makes little to no difference, and this is looking more and more true with more and more research that is being done. I imagine future generations will not be too kind when looking back on how we handled this.
     
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  2. Michael Norris

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    I'm done here, when a few people want to come sideways at you and then pretend to still want to have a friendly discussion, I have some few non-compliance things to say about that.
     
  3. JB Lions

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    This is just nonsense and actually goes against current recommendations from actual scientists/doctors. And you're right, future generations won't look too kindly on all the anti-maskers, it's sheer stupidity.

    "A separate study estimates that nearly 45,000 U.S. deaths from coronavirus could be prevented by November if 95% of the population wore masks."

    "Following the CDC’s announcement, several states including New York adapted mandatory mask mandates. One study estimated that states that issued mandates between April and mid-May averted as many as 230,000 coronavirus cases."

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...-here-are-the-5-biggest-mask-myths-2020-07-09

    Understand also, the guy that posts most in these threads:

    thinks Covid is a government psyop

    thinks Vitamin C cures covid

    and when you point this out to him, will start talking about Masons and then your penis.

    It's amazing, here we are in 2020, with all the information you could ever want readily available and people are still stupid. I think people back in the day, that wore masks are smarter and they had less resources to go on.
     
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  4. Michael Norris

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    This post being on this website seems like more nonsense.
     
  5. Jv1999

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    Wearing a mask isn't a lifetime thing... you just have to do it until the vaccine comes out... which is like months from now...

    .,.I have no idea why people have a problem with this.

    It d oesnt harm you unless the co2 builds up when you're exercising.

    I have no idea why people won't do it. It's not like they're asking you to get a dang implant!

    The coronavirus is a very real pathogen that recently has been found to make you autoimmune against your nervous system, which can lead to permanent long-term effects.

    If everyone had stayed away from other people for 2 weeks in March, this would all have been over. But no... and worse, they can't even wear masks!
     
  6. Michael Norris

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    I love how everyone's just so over opinionated on the one side of this... like even people who have been in isolation the whole time need a mask or else they are gonna get someone sick.

    Some people are use to wearing masks, they been wearing them their whole lives.
     
  7. Jason.chad

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    You got nothing to lose if you wear masks. Just wear it so the economy can keep going and stopcovid19
     
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  8. Ostrados

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    @Michael Norris @Compassion

    You have 2 options to chose from:
    Option A: wear a mask = no damage to your lungs
    Option B: catch Covid-19 = damage to your lungs + chance of death

    Smart choice is A because you will need your lungs.
     
  9. frank-germany

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    that is obviously not true
     
  10. Sutruk

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    Here you have just two examples of 19 people infected by breathing in airbone droplets:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/health/airflow-coronavirus-restaurants.html

    In January, at a restaurant in Guangzhou, China, one diner infected with the novel coronavirus but not yet feeling sick appeared to have spread the disease to nine other people. One of the restaurant’s air-conditioners apparently blew the virus particles around the dining room.

    “We conclude that in this outbreak, droplet transmission was prompted by air-conditioned ventilation,” the authors wrote. “The key factor for infection was the direction of the airflow.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094933/How-one-man-spread-coronavirus-NINE-people-bus.html

    How one man spread coronavirus to NINE other people on his bus in China: Scientists find the deadly virus can travel four times the 'safe' distance and linger in the air for over 30 minutes in confined places

    "A man infected with coronavirus spread the virus to nine other people on his bus, raising fears the killer infection can jump between people far easier than initially thought in confined places."

    Wearing a face mask would have prevented the infected person to exhale droplets to the air and would have prevented the infection of all those people just by one infected person.
     
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  11. Ostrados

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    Mounting evidence suggests coronavirus is airborne — but health advice has not caught up
    Here is published paper:

    It is Time to Address Airborne Transmission of COVID-19
     
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  12. koolishman

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    Here is a list of 70 research papers on efficacy of masks.

    If someone asks: What's the evidence for mask wearing? Here is a list of *SEVENTY* papers, including reviews/meta-analysis and individual studies, in reverse chronological order. Includes 31 from 2020 alone (!!). META = meta-analysis or systematic review.
     
  13. frank-germany

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  14. johnn

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    I only wear mask when I am close to my wife so I don't have to talk to her and get the headache virus.
     
  15. frank-germany

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  16. Michael Norris

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    Seems the death rate is going down..... you know after people were dying in car crashes and written off as "Covid" deaths just for the extra benefits that come with it.

    It's a whole lot easier to trick people than it is to tell them they've been tricked.
     
  17. Ostrados

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    1. Who are "they" that fabricated the death numbers?
    2. What about the families of those died in car crashes?
    3. How did these families react when in death certificate cause of death was written as "covid-19" instead of "car crash"?
    4. And why no one from these families talked about it??!!

    When you theorize a conspiracy theory try first to run a simulation for it in your mind as real life events not as fairytale fantasy.
     
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  18. Compassion

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    In my home state of California, the fifth largest economy in the world.....

    We have a whopping <7000 CV19 labeled deaths! (Population 40 million)
    This is a VERY low number. Flu and virus season is over.

    In Los Angeles alone there are 10x this number of people living on the streets! (Apx. 70,000, likely more now)

    There are areas of LA that resemble third world nations or worse.



    Just imagine if Californians and politicians put as much energy into solving homelessness as they have into the wag-the-dog show bombarding the psyche of the world.

    But this my friends, would be a novel agenda for the people to embrace.

    An agenda of integrity.
     
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  19. Grilled

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    Why post the same post in at least two threads? ☯

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...ial-for-covid-19.1196295/page-12#post-7852174
     
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  20. Keith

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    Keep in mind, this is with a shutdown and lots of mask wearing. It’s also not a coincidence that the states that tried to reopen too fast have seen a huge spike in numbers. Of course, those states are now tucking their tails...


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...t-coronavirus-cases-in-a-single-day?_amp=true

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/07/09/coronavirus-california-hospital-lah-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

     
  21. Compassion

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  22. Ostrados

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  23. Compassion

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    Don't confuse data with spam.

    I'm being direct and not rude.
     
  24. Ostrados

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    You are mega covid-19 disinformation spreader.. you are doing it systematically and spamming posts with false info about the Pandemic..
    Do you have a business that benefits from this? I wonder.. what do you sell? herbal alrernative medications?

    This is abnormal..
     
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  25. JB Lions

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    The media just reports on the science and data. You don't trust most politicians but then you trust this one, who is now being investigated because of complaints. It's like you would trust the doctor/scientist that gets paid off by a tobacco company saying smoking isn't bad for your health.

    So no, you're not a data/science guy.
     

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