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This .com Domain Name Drops 96.7% In Value. Why?

Labeled as .com in Domain Selling and Domain Sales started by Tewksbury, Jul 9, 2019.

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  1. jmcc

    jmcc Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    It also runs into a country problem. Mobile phones can be called "cellies", "mobiles", or "handies" depending on the country.

    Regards...jmcc
     
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  2. biggie

    biggie Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    that may be so, my brother

    but majority of those registered are parked or not resolving,
    ie: mobi, .de, .info, .in, .eu, .es, .dk, .de,.ch, .cl, .be, .it, .net, , .pro, .ru, .uk, etc,

    so, if usage of reason, then not much usage in terms of viable websites for that term.

    imo….
     
  3. jmcc

    jmcc Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Many of the switching and trade-up deals from the telcos have limited the sales of used mobiles. Previously, it might have made sense to sell the mobile to someone else but with the telco offering the latest iPhone deal or Samsung with a trade-in killed a lot of that market.

    Regards...jmcc
     
  4. Windoms

    Windoms Established Member

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    Wherever you live in 2019, if you want a used phone, you'll just go to your local place and check phones at the counter.
    Or you'll research one online with good features (pick a model), before buying it on amazon or ebay.
    Never ever are we going back to phonemarket.com.
    It's never selling for $5,800.
    imo.
     
  5. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Gold Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Handies, always an interesting one.
     
  6. jmcc

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    Germany. :)

    Regards...jmcc
     
  7. jmcc

    jmcc Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Perhaps. But it could be monetised with reviews and affiliate deals. The site would require a lot of work but it could make that $5,800 back.

    Regards...jmcc
     
  8. Furquah

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    Its was at $4350 at the lander some month ago.
     
  9. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent Gold Account VIP

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    While the case is interesting, and somewhat shocking, as others have pointed out a single case does not mean much. This is especially true for names in technology related areas.

    In the NameBio daily market reports there are not infrequently cases of 95% or more down, but also cases of rapid rise.

    I think the only message I really read into it is that the valuation of most domains are volatile. I would argue that .com are probably less volatile than most other TLDs, in general.

    The market overall, seems to be slightly up over the last couple of years, at least how I read the numbers. It is very different from 10 or 20 years ago, of course.

    Bob
     
  10. NameJi

    NameJi The Domain Lover Gold Account

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    interesting case. The two numbers are extreme. Curious to know the right price for "PhoneMarket.com" in 2019?
     
  11. jmcc

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    It does seem more stable than other TLDs, Bob,
    The .COM market has become more complex than it was in 2012 or so because the Asian/Chinese market has also taken off since then (even with the 4L and CHIPs bubble). Instead of there being a single global .COM market, it has different sub-markets now. This shift towards non-English language keywords could have affected previous valuations because these domain names were sold in what was predominantly an English language market. Some of the money that might have justified the 2012 valuations may have drifted into new gTLDs and may still be locked up in the new gTLD market.

    Regards...jmcc
     
  12. namemarket

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    I was wondering the same thing? Absolutely no idea why it would be valuable or sell for 180k in 2012. To me phonemarket.com seems more like a 3-figure domain which would be slow to sell even for $300 (unless I am missing something).
     
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  13. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician Gold Account VIP

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    looks to me:
    you have no clue

    cristals.com
    versus
    cristals.app

    are you kidding?
     
  14. Tewksbury

    Tewksbury Established Member

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    Technically speaking, all TLDs are of equal utility. They all perform the exact same function. Not all TLDs are equal however in terms of safety, speed and brand-ability.

    .app TLD is backed and managed by Google, the same company that dominates in mobile, search, geo/maps, web browser, online advertising, AI/ML, etc.

    According to Google, .app is “the world’s first entirely secure all HTTPS open top-level domain.” "HTTPS is required to connect to all .app websites, helping protect against ad malware and tracking injection by ISPs, in addition to safeguarding against spying on open WiFi networks. Because .app will be the first TLD with enforced security made available for general registration, it’s helping move the web to an HTTPS-everywhere future in a big way.” (source)

    People understand and use apps everyday.

    Most native apps are no longer financially justifiable, having been disrupted by web services delivered via progressive web app ("PWA").

    The .app TLD is included in the HSTS Preload of all major web browsers. Dotcom is not. This makes every .app domain name safer and faster compared to every other domain name not in the preload.

    According to ntldstats.com .app is currently ranked 13th nTLD out of more than 1,200 gTLD delegated strings, with 445,885 registrations in the zone file record as of today. That's amazing growth considering -except for the initial launch in May 2018, there's been almost no publicity, advertising or marketing whatsoever.

    .app TLD is just over a year old. As more people learn more about .app ... registrations and aftermarket values will likely increase significantly.

    JMHO
     
  15. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician Gold Account VIP

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    as I said:
    you miss it
    you quote the salesman as proof?



    but I see you are right
    so I handreged cristals.eu just now

    hey its a bargain at 14.888 Euro


    at least its not suitable for an app only but for real-life goods in Europe
    got the idea?

    the .de is still available I didn't reg it
     
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  16. Tewksbury

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    I see the status quo bias force is strong with you.
     
  17. IMEZI

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    indeed!!! internet revolution were changing along with the giant (google etc), the bubble were now bursting out. Brand awarenes were important but that only when the business reaching at certain high point, before that point having or using some expensive .com were useless
     
  18. jamesall

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    Comparing a 10ct Diamond to a 10ct equivalent cubic zirconium by the sounds of it.
     
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  19. Tewksbury

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    Hi Jamesall,

    Your analogy comparing diamonds (which can be owned) to domain names (which can not be owned) creates a false equivalency between these investments. No need to create unnecessary confusion in the marketplace.

    All top-level domains perform an identical function. They appear after-the-last-dot in a domain name, representing the highest level of the Internet’s domain name system hierarchy.

    Similarly, all domain names perform an identical function. They’re used to aid human navigation on the network, serving as a proxy for the numerical addressing system of the Internet. Domain names help people understand and remember web addresses. The primary purpose of domain names is brand identity.

    Your post appears to be yet another example of how status quo bias favors .com top-level domain. A prodigious percentage of people still believe dot com to be the only viable TLD choice out of 1,200+ other options. This false premise of .com supremacy creates an illusion of scarcity which in turn artificially drives up the price for .com domain names –on the secondary market– at the expense of all other TLDs.

    Why settle for a less-than-optimal legacy TLD domain name when other, more secure and brand-able options exist?
     
  20. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician Gold Account VIP

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    just for the records
    so newcomers are not mislead

    you are wrong

    but really
    I can't be asked to educate you
     
  21. Tewksbury

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    Frank, you're clearly biased in favor of dotcom. On your BuyUsedDomain[.com] website you state: "Yes, .com should always be your first choice whenever possible, particularly if you're planning to go big, nationwide, or international with your new brand." This advice became irrelevant when ICANN began delegating new gTLDs five years ago.

    A couple things I've learned over the years: 1) a diversified investment strategy almost always out-performs the "going all-in" approach. I'm happy for you that you have sufficient capital and a larger-than-average risk tolerance to "bet the farm" on one TLD option. 2) Nothing lasts forever. Dotcom's current gTLD market status is no exception.

    There is really no need to feel threatened by comments that other gTLDs may also be desirable and valuable. After-market sales of many new gTLDs firmly establishes this reality -whether you (and others) like it or not. Thinking I'm wrong, saying I'm wrong, hoping I'm wrong doesn't make it so. I understand my words frighten and perhaps anger you and others who've built businesses around one TLD, in a market with more than 1,200 delegated strings. That's on you. Perhaps broadening your gTLD horizons -with an open mind that there might be other viable new gTLDs options- can open new business opportunities that you never expected.

    Why settle for a less-than-optimal legacy TLD domain name when other, more secure and brand-able options exist?

    .app is where it's @ 💰💰💰
     
  22. ecalc

    ecalc Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Yes namebio .app sales database is a $154k juggernaut fast approaching the median value of a US single family home.
    Sometimes the crowd is right and the premise is true. Again, per namebio:
    sold last 5 years (USD) = ntld 23.3M, com 527.4M … ntld/com = 4.4%
    sold last 12 months = ntld 3.6M, com 112.3M … ntld/com = 3.2%
    ntld secondary market cap is shrinking relative to com.
     
  23. Tewksbury

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    Greetings ecalc (member: 7997). Unlike you and many of the people on namePros who seem offended by my words, I use my real name. Hello, I'm RB Tewksbury. Who are you?

    Comparing dotcom's market penetration and "sales data" to .app -or any new gTLD- is not a fair or valid argument. Dotcom domain names have existed for more than 34 years whereas .app was launched just 433 days ago.

    Domainers like to draw comparisons between real estate (an asset you can own) and domain names (an asset you can't own). Comparing sales data for a TLD that has been around since the beginning of Internet time to a TLD that was just launched will only result in inaccurate price valuations and more market volatility. There are several widely-accepted methods for appraising real estate. There is no consensus valuation-model for domain names that can withstand peer-review scrutiny.

    My opinion is based on centuries of economic history. More competition drives prices down. Competition from new gTLDs will inevitably drive down prices for legacy TLDs because market equilibrium was disrupted with the introduction of new gTLDs in 2012, and there are more to come. The more supply there is of TLD options the less demand there will be for any one particular TLD. That's how supply-and-demand economics works.

    Technically speaking, all TLDs are of equal utility. They all perform the exact same function. Not all TLDs are equal however in terms of safety, speed and brand-ability.

    Why am I bullish on a few new TLDs; .app in particular? For starters ...
    • .app TLD is backed and managed by Google, the same company that dominates in mobile, search, geo/maps, web browser, online advertising, AI/ML, etc.
    • People understand and use apps everyday.
    • Most native mobile apps are no longer financially justifiable, having been disrupted by web services delivered via progressive web app or PWA.
    • The .app TLD is one of only three gTLDs -that I'm aware of- that force HTTP Strict Transport Security, and are also included in the HSTS Preload list of all major web browsers. Dotcom TLD does not force HTTP-STS and is not included (by default) in the HSTS Preload ... and never will be. This makes every .app domain name faster, safer and more discover-able and stable than nearly all other TLDs and domain names not in the HSTS preload.
    Yes ... I'm bullish on .app TLD.
     
  24. platey

    platey Top Member VIP

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    Most

    Domain name investors

    Buy domain names and sell them On for a profit etc

    Tech venture bods

    Have a vision for the domain name and can make an expensive domain worth every penny as they use that domain name to build large companies etc

    As a rule domain name investors know that a domain name may be good etc but few will ever be the next Internet sensation because they tend not to have the vision

    I have tech venture ideas and I have the vision for my ideas and I own the two keyword. Com of my ideas etc

    But I do will never be the next tech venture sensation

    Because I can't be bothered lol
     
  25. ecalc

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    Normally I lay low but since you asked, my name is ecalc, born in Yankee Stadium in the Bronx NY. My passions are propane and propane accessories. I came out of the NP shadows when they blocked drive by tag writing, shattering my dreams. My current writing centers on pumping dot com and cherry picking supportive data.

    Regarding your ‘can own’ real estate vs ‘can’t own’ domains principle, try not paying property tax and you’ll find out who really owns it. If domain sales data is an unfair argument you might not like my ideas about what have you done for me lately or domain parking dairy cows vs termites so I won’t go there. I agree with you about domain utility value (~$1/yr) and competitive price pressure but we probably disagree about mindshare and domain competitive weight classes from heavy weight to ankle biter.

    Thank you, carry on.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2019

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