new gtlds This $20 billion company uses a new TLD for its website, and…

[News]

What’s surprising is that it seems to be basing its business on a .technology domain name. As the listener pointed out, DXC.com now forwards to DXC.technology.

So a $20 billion company is using DXC.technology, paid a big sum for DXC.com, and doesn’t own DXC.tech!

Now, the merger just went through so the company’s branding and domain choice might be in flux. But based on the logo (pictured) the company seems to be embracing .technology...

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[.NJ]

For the universal recognition I repeat myself again : you need to be patient and wait..

The invest and wait game does sometimes work with certain assets like .com, stocks, ect....

The flaw with this practice regarding gtlds is the wait time vs money invested.

If for example we take porno.com and put a comparable gtld domain in the same therory you are def talking about a crazy renewal fee ($500, $1000, ect). Not all are like that I understand, but a large majority are.

$10 renewal fees over 10 years = $100
$1000 renewal fees over 10 years = $10k.

That's where the invest and wait issue arises with the gtlds.

 

[atinc]

The invest and wait game does sometimes work with certain assets like .com, stocks, ect....

The flaw with this practice regarding gtlds is the wait time vs money invested.

If for example we take porno.com and put a comparable gtld domain in the same therory you are def talking about a crazy renewal fee ($500, $1000, ect). Not all are like that I understand, but a large majority are.

$10 renewal fees over 10 years = $100
$1000 renewal fees over 10 years = $10k.

That's where the invest and wait issue arises with the gtlds.

I here you yet I am not talking about this extreme examples where the renewal rates are so high.
You already answered your self "Not all are like that I understand" My new gTLD portfolio is pretty good and have no premium renewals. You can take a look at :
https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...names-owned-by-namepros-members-here.1009141/

 

[Kate]

I have been here for 12 years and I have seen plenty of domainers drop out.
All the domainers who gambled on new extensions have either left the building or adjusted themselves to the reality (flop). Some have made a profit, many have made a loss. Profit was more about luck and timing, than insight.
The script hasn't changed, only the players are different. Domainers come and go, and continue to be abused because they refuse to learn from history.

I am not fixated on .com, I also diversify in mature ccTLDs. I just don't think new extensions will ever be on the same level, or that anything can be valuable.

In my portfolio, I own ILoveYou.Com domains in 21 different languages, totaling of more than 1 Billion Target users.(based on native speakers)

I am already holding more than 15% of this domain niche in domain market.

In my book it's called a collection, rather than a portfolio. I wouldn't even think about building a portfolio of IDNs, unless there is a market for those. Maybe I'm missing something ?

Note: I never compared dot Com against new gTLDs. You did and other anti G`s does it all the time.

You mentioned porno.com to highlight the importance of patience, but you missed one essential point: .com was already established at the time. New extensions still aren't and that's the big difference.

 

[JB Lions]

@Casey L. @JB Lions @dordomai @Kate

None of you replied to my message above which I tagged you.
Does it means that you agree? If so why you keep on arguing?( for @dordomai and @Kate )

Which has resulted in how many sales for you? It's like you forget what you're doing, the goal. I thought it was to sell domains?

Your points have already been gone over. You used one example to make 2 different points, the registry sale of casino. Or pick 1 company out of thousands to make some point when there is a good chance they go back to their .com or they'll bleed traffic to the other person/company that owns the .com. Dumb move when they didn't secure the .com. So you're using dumb moves to try to make a point.

 

[atinc]

I have been here for 12 years and I have seen plenty of domainers drop out.
All the domainers who gambled on new extensions have either left the building or adjusted themselves to the reality (flop). Some have made a profit, many have made a loss. Profit was more about luck and timing, than insight.
The script hasn't changed, only the players are different. Domainers come and go, and continue to be abused because they refuse to learn from history.

I am not fixated on .com, I also diversify in mature ccTLDs. I just don't think new extensions will ever be on the same level, or that anything can be valuable.


In my book it's called a collection, rather than a portfolio. I wouldn't even think about building a portfolio of IDNs, unless there is a market for those. Maybe I'm missing something ?

Yes you are missing 3 points in here.
1st I am a romantic So if you see it as a collection, no problem. BUT
2nd Love is the most strong thing that drives people in life, people work and make money for their beloved ones.
If you are rich enough you make a wedding for 40 days, buy a ferrari or a beachfront realestate to your beloved one. Why not it be domains?
3rd We have a family business doing trading for more than 70 years and I am a 4th generation partner at our company. So trust me I know what an investment is.

 

[atinc]

I have been here for 12 years and I have seen plenty of domainers drop out.
All the domainers who gambled on new extensions have either left the building or adjusted themselves to the reality (flop). Some have made a profit, many have made a loss. Profit was more about luck and timing, than insight.
The script hasn't changed, only the players are different. Domainers come and go, and continue to be abused because they refuse to learn from history.

I am not fixated on .com, I also diversify in mature ccTLDs. I just don't think new extensions will ever be on the same level, or that anything can be valuable.


In my book it's called a collection, rather than a portfolio. I wouldn't even think about building a portfolio of IDNs, unless there is a market for those. Maybe I'm missing something ?

You mentioned porno.com to highlight the importance of patience, but you missed one essential point: .com was already established at the time. New extensions still aren't and that's the big difference.

Beating a 3L.COM on a sales record must make new gTLDs an established market Kate.

 

[atinc]

Which has resulted in how many sales for you? It's like you forget what you're doing, the goal. I thought it was to sell domains?

Your points have already been gone over. You used one example to make 2 different points, the registry sale of casino.

No dude, I know the goal. I made my investments and do not expect any profit before 5 years from now on.
By the way I really like your new website. Hope you will have more sales. Thou please hang on caftans.com don`t sell it to a low price.
EDIT: SINCE YOU ADDED YOUR THREAD AND CALLED ME DUMB, LET IT BE THAT WAY...
@JB Lions

 

[dordomai]

Beating a 3L.COM on a sales record must make new gTLDs an established market Kate.

One single sale does not mean anything. We had complete crap selling for 200k in .com too. It does not happen very often but it can happen. .mobi had many sales too, does that mean it is an established market no.

Established market means lasting demand not a few isolated sales. Outliers can happen everywhere.

 

[JB Lions]

No dude, I know the goal. I made my investments and do not expect any profit before 5 years from now on.
By the way I really like your new website. Hope you will have more sales. Thou please hang on caftans.com don`t sell it to a low price.
EDIT: SINCE YOU ADDED YOUR THREAD AND CALLED ME DUMB, LET IT BE THAT WAY...
@JB Lions

I didn't call you dumb, I called the company that didn't secure the .com dumb. If you build on hyper.tech, you better own hypertech.com

 

[atinc]

One single sale does not mean anything. We had complete crap selling for 200k in .com too. It does not happen very often but it can happen. .mobi had many sales too, does that mean it is an established market no.

Established market means lasting demand not a few isolated sales. Outliers can happen everywhere.

It means a lot since it has a record in market and can be used for marketing for other new gTLD sales.
Any idea how marketing works?
How sales records (examples) can raise the prices in the market?
Duh!

 

[dordomai]

It means a lot since it has a record in market and can be used for marketing for other new gTLD sales.
Any idea how marketing works?
How sales records (examples) can raise the prices in the market?
Duh!

one single sale is meaningless, if you want to use it to market (hype) your product then it is useful, (useful for misleading people) otherwise it does not tell us much about the real demand.

 

[atinc]

one single sale is meaningless, if you want to use it to market (hype) your product then it is useful, (useful for misleading people) otherwise it does not tell us much about the real demand.

You know what, I just want to give you the 2000th like but you miss it in each share you post.
Anyone to give @dordomai his 2000th like?

back to our topic : You have no idea about marketing

 

[JB Lions]

You know what, I just want to give you the 2000th like but you miss it in each share you post.
Anyone to give @dordomai his 2000th like?

back to our topic : You have no idea about marketing

I actually think you guys hurt the marketing of certain extensions when you go on and on about 1 off sale, usually a registry sale. And that's all you can point too. Comes off as desperate. There should be consistent, decent sales. The only one of the new ones that come to mind is .club - https://namebio.com/?s==YjM2EDM3ETM

They have 326 reported sales over $1,000 at different venues.

.technology, 2 and those were 3 years ago - https://namebio.com/?s==MzM2EDM3ETM

 

[atinc]

Just scroll up and see at what topic you are commenting on.
I won`t discuss with people who disrespect me or act hypocrite.
I am a straight man and like to have straight people around me.
I am going to work on my new investments now. Don`t want to waste my time with this.

Cheers

 

[Kate]

Long ago, I used to see .com domains redirecting to the .biz on the occasion. So I thought to myself, poor taste, lack of judgment. But in the end, nothing more than an oddity. Back then nobody would say that .biz was making a breakthrough just because of a redirect.
So why are new extensions perceived differently ?

 

[offthehandle]

"The new brand might help "bury the identities of two now quite toxic companies", a source at CSC told The Register. "What adds salt to the wounds of the rapidly decreasing numbers of employees is that they have clearly spent a lot of money on consultants...."

Did anyone read the news article posted earlier in the thread? I thought this comment above was amusing though unrelated to the non.com versus com debate. The dxc holding corp buys two companies and is probably rebranding away from their stock ticker symbol so as to be able to bail later if needed. i worked for a small company who was gobbled up by a huge multinational that did this exact thing, corporate mgmt being lukewarm commited to the new "subsidiary" as we were called. The buyout cost them $20 million in upfront costs and capital equipment investment and sold at auction to a VC bottomfeeder after their failure to figure out how to operate it a few years later for $900,000. They never tarnished their huge name, just a tax writeoff, this experiment and rebranding.

 

[Want2learn]

so can someone summarize please

 

[deez007]

I have a question for gTLD lovers (and it's a serious one).
What makes you so excited about those gTLD 'sightings' if you're not making sales.

As a domainer, I want to make sales and not just be a domain collector. Of course there has to be adoption by end users but that alone doesn't shape a market.
Don't be so judgmental toward domainers who have been around for years and are making money today. Dreams don't pay the bills.

To Answer that question:

Why assume that gTLD lovers are exclusively investing in gTLD's? - This has been stressed over and over again by many of us - We are NOT anti .com, my portfolio is dominated by .com & ccTLD's.

Why assume that all of us expect gTLD's to be liquid and to sell immediately?

Why assume that we have not made any gTLD sales and that we don't get offers on our gTLD's - Surely all the gTLD investors can be "dreamers", perhaps there is another reason some of us are investing in them, could it be that we are seeing interest in our current stock that encourages as to keep them and grab more as well?.... hmmm

 

[deez007]

The invest and wait game does sometimes work with certain assets like .com, stocks, ect....

The flaw with this practice regarding gtlds is the wait time vs money invested.

If for example we take porno.com and put a comparable gtld domain in the same therory you are def talking about a crazy renewal fee ($500, $1000, ect). Not all are like that I understand, but a large majority are.

$10 renewal fees over 10 years = $100
$1000 renewal fees over 10 years = $10k.

That's where the invest and wait issue arises with the gtlds.

Your logic is flawed, you assume all gTLD investors are buying names that have premium renewals. gtld's like .global for example, do not have premium renewals on their premium domains. Standard renewal applies... yes, it's still more than .com (about $60 - depends where u register the domain) so 10 years = $600. Most ngtld's have a higher renewal than .com's but the benefit there is that it ensures that you keep your GTLD portfolio streamlined and that you only registering and keeping the really good ones and not the "possible sellers" or "hopefully will sell"domains.

 

[dordomai]

Your logic is flawed, you assume all gTLD investors are buying names that have premium renewals. gtld's like .global for example, do not have premium renewals on their premium domains. Standard renewal applies... yes, it's still more than .com (about $60 - depends where u register the domain) so 10 years = $600. Most ngtld's have a higher renewal than .com's but the benefit there is that it ensures that you keep your GTLD portfolio streamlined and that you only registering and keeping the really good ones and not the "possible sellers" or "hopefully will sell"domains.

I still have my enom reseller account and can sell you .coms for $60/year if you think high renewals are beneficial.

 

[deez007]

I still have my enom reseller account and can sell you .coms for $60/year if you think high renewals are beneficial.

Pointing out the benefit in having higher renewals was not me celebrating and rejoicing that renewals are high. It was merely me trying to highlighting the "positive" from a negative situation of high renewals. Obviously none of us like the fact that renewals are high but it is what it is.

 

[slader23]

Pointing out the benefit in having higher renewals was not me celebrating and rejoicing that renewals are high. It was merely me trying to highlighting the "positive" from a negative situation of high renewals. Obviously none of us like the fact that renewals are high but it is what it is.

Yup. I mean...if your careful, cost conscious and smart you could have some very good emd hacks for $100 or less renewals.

 

[Maxwell]

I'm lost on how this is debatable.

 

[Kate]

Why assume that gTLD lovers are exclusively investing in gTLD's? - This has been stressed over and over again by many of us - We are NOT anti .com, my portfolio is dominated by .com & ccTLD's.

I lost count of how many times the skeptics like me as dismissed as commies. I am not offended, but this is not an accurate description of my domaining model. I believe in diversification but healthy diversification (not diversifying in crap).

Why assume that all of us expect gTLD's to be liquid and to sell immediately?

I am not saying that you must be able to flip all your names right away - the majority of .com domains are not liquid either - but everybody needs to make sales from time to time. If you don't make sales, then you are subsidizing a hobby.
Investors need an horizon.
I just can't see how aftermarket sales are going to thrive while domains in new extensions remain largely invisible in the real world. A secondary market depends on a healthy primary market.
IMO investing heavily in new extensions is putting the cart before the horse. If your portfolio is 90% new extensions then it is almost certainly unbalanced and unhealthy.

Your logic is flawed, you assume all gTLD investors are buying names that have premium renewals. gtld's like .global for example, do not have premium renewals on their premium domains. Standard renewal applies... yes, it's still more than .com (about $60 - depends where u register the domain) so 10 years = $600.

$60 doesn't sound so expensive, the most I've paid was $80 for a ccTLD. When you scale up and buy dozens or hundreds of domains the fees quickly add up ($,$$$+).

The majority of .com portfolios are not sustainable even at $10/year. That's why I am so skeptical toward the business model of new gTLDs. Higher fees and less liquidity, all things being equal.

Domainers are overjoyed when they make a $$$$ sale and they gloat about the great ROI but dismiss the fact that the sale does not cover the renewal fees for the rest of the portfolio.

 

[deez007]

I lost count of how many times the skeptics like me as dismissed as commies. I am not offended, but this is not an accurate description of my domaining model. I believe in diversification but healthy diversification (not diversifying in crap).

How is what you saying NOT relevant to .com as well? You can get crap .com's as much as you get crap gTLD's

I am not saying that you must be able to flip all your names right away - the majority of .com domains are not liquid either - but everybody needs to make sales from time to time. If you don't make sales, then you are subsidizing a hobby.Investors need an horizon.

Again, that applies to .com's as well. So what relevance does it have in comparison to gTLDs?
Probably 80% of the domainers here are not making sales, even the ones that are investing in .com only - so they are also subsidising a hobby.

I just can't see how aftermarket sales are going to thrive while domains in new extensions remain largely invisible in the real world. A secondary market depends on a healthy primary market.
IMO investing heavily in new extensions is putting the cart before the horse. If your portfolio is 90% new extensions then it is almost certainly unbalanced and unhealthy.

Just because you can't see it does not mean the opportunity does not exist, unless you claim to be some sort of domain oracle that has an all seeing eye. Where exactly do you thumb suck a 90% new extension ratio from? I clearly said "-my portfolio is dominated by .com & ccTLD's. "


$60 doesn't sound so expensive, the most I've paid was $80 for a ccTLD. When you scale up and buy dozens or hundreds of domains the fees quickly add up ($,$$$+).

The majority of .com portfolios are not sustainable even at $10/year. That's why I am so skeptical toward the business model of new gTLDs. Higher fees and less liquidity, all things being equal.

Domainers are overjoyed when they make a $$$$ sale and they gloat about the great ROI but dismiss the fact that the sale does not cover the renewal fees for the rest of the portfolio.

Again that applies to .com as well.

Finally to reiterate:
Why assume that we have not made any gTLD sales and that we don't get offers on our gTLD's - Surely all the gTLD investors can be "dreamers", perhaps there is another reason some of us are investing in them, could it be that we are seeing interest in our current stock that encourages as to keep them and grab more as well?.... hmmm